Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[MJF]

I would gladly take him back - solid pro to help guide youngins.

Cause lets be real guys.. we dont exactly have a ton of amazing assets. A rebuild looking all but inevitable.

So why put it off any longer?

 

[Thrasymachus]

So why put it off any longer?

I would assume we are waiting for the new front office before we do anything.

 

[The Real JT]

I haven’t checked in here for a while, so my apologies if this topic has been discussed before.

Is it possible that the Isles move on from Palmieri in the off-season? I’d have to imagine that he had a handshake deal with Lou as the trade deadline approached last month.

For what it’s worth, unless it’s for a maximum of two years at a 3M AAV or less, I’d pass. Frankly, I have to believe that he’s worth more than that on the open market. As for the argument that he would be a veteran presence for the younger players, I’m not really buying that. He’s not a lifelong Islander and we have several other players that will be here next year and fit that description.

 

[xECK29x]

I haven’t checked in here for a while, so my apologies if this topic has been discussed before.

Is it possible that the Isles move on from Palmieri in the off-season? I’d have to imagine that he had a handshake deal with Lou as the trade deadline approached last month.

For what it’s worth, unless it’s for a maximum of two years at a 3M AAV or less, I’d pass. Frankly, I have to believe that he’s worth more than that on the open market. As for the argument that he would be a veteran presence for the younger players, I’m not really buying that. He’s not a lifelong Islander and we have several other players that will be here next year and fit that description.

My guess is he had a deal done under Lou but management cancelled it when they made the decision to move on from him. He’s still not signed so technically we have already moved on.

 

[PK Cronin]

I haven’t checked in here for a while, so my apologies if this topic has been discussed before.

Is it possible that the Isles move on from Palmieri in the off-season? I’d have to imagine that he had a handshake deal with Lou as the trade deadline approached last month.

For what it’s worth, unless it’s for a maximum of two years at a 3M AAV or less, I’d pass. Frankly, I have to believe that he’s worth more than that on the open market. As for the argument that he would be a veteran presence for the younger players, I’m not really buying that. He’s not a lifelong Islander and we have several other players that will be here next year and fit that description.

With a new management group coming in anything is possible. I'd say it's less likely he'll return than it was before Lamoriello wasn't renewed.

Having veterans around is important for the youngsters but I agree that we have a bunch of those already, but I don't think him not being a lifelong Islander has anything to do with it.

 

[periferal]

I haven’t checked in here for a while, so my apologies if this topic has been discussed before.

Is it possible that the Isles move on from Palmieri in the off-season? I’d have to imagine that he had a handshake deal with Lou as the trade deadline approached last month.

For what it’s worth, unless it’s for a maximum of two years at a 3M AAV or less, I’d pass. Frankly, I have to believe that he’s worth more than that on the open market. As for the argument that he would be a veteran presence for the younger players, I’m not really buying that. He’s not a lifelong Islander and we have several other players that will be here next year and fit that description.

I think it's pretty simple....


If Lou officially signed him....He'll stay.

If he didn't officially sign...He'll be let go.

 

[MJF]

I would assume we are waiting for the new front office before we do anything.

Of course, but once that happens I don’t see the need to hold on so tightly to the idea that we are able to reset the roster on the fly over the next 2 seasons and be top 3 in the Metro competitive. The Isles are probably looking at 4-5 years before we finish breaking down Lou’s core and we’re building around Cole Eiserman and Danny Nelson. Calum Ritchie should be here next year and that will be the demarcation between Barzal/Horvat and what’s to come soon thru the pipeline.

 

[Thrasymachus]

I haven’t checked in here for a while

But not forgotten

 

[Thrasymachus]

Of course, but once that happens I don’t see the need to hold on so tightly to the idea that we are able to reset the roster on the fly over the next 2 seasons and be top 3 in the Metro competitive. The Isles are probably looking at 4-5 years before we finish breaking down Lou’s core and we’re building around Cole Eiserman and Danny Nelson. Calum Ritchie should be here next year and that will be the demarcation between Barzal/Horvat and what’s to come soon thru the pipeline.

I generally agree with this take.

Painful as it is, after all this time, to be staring down the gun barrel of another rebuild...

im tired boss

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Is it possible that the Isles move on from Palmieri in the off-season? I’d have to imagine that he had a handshake deal with Lou as the trade deadline approached last month.

Incredibly possible.

Likely probable.

Gotta think that Palmieri is one of those players whose game is something plenty of people in the business aren't terribly fond or convinced of.

Chances are very high that Lou's readiness to hold onto him was for his own personal perception of what Palms is and brings, and how much he believed he can coddle him into staying.

All that isn't there anymore with whoever is coming in, although they too will do some due diligence in determining what retaining him for the time being would mean to those they are planning with.

Statistically, there's little argument for holding onto Palmieri without Nelson here as he was the only pivot he really managed to produce with. And the 23-24 season was the only one in which he produced in the manner he was acquired for.

 

[The Real JT]

Incredibly possible.

Likely probable.

Gotta think that Palmieri is one of those players whose game is something plenty of people in the business aren't terribly fond or convinced of.

Chances are very high that Lou's readiness to hold onto him was for his own personal perception of what Palms is and brings, and how much he believed he can coddle him into staying.

All that isn't there anymore with whoever is coming in, although they too will do some due diligence in determining what retaining him for the time being would mean to those they are planning with.

Statistically, there's little argument for holding onto Palmieri without Nelson here as he was the only pivot he really managed to produce with. And the 23-24 season was the only one in which he produced in the manner he was acquired for.

@Chapin Landvogt: In the words of David Byrne “Stop Making Sense”

I’m gonna guess Lou wasn’t familiar with that song or the movie.

 

[Chockey22]

Of course, but once that happens I don’t see the need to hold on so tightly to the idea that we are able to reset the roster on the fly over the next 2 seasons and be top 3 in the Metro competitive. The Isles are probably looking at 4-5 years before we finish breaking down Lou’s core and we’re building around Cole Eiserman and Danny Nelson. Calum Ritchie should be here next year and that will be the demarcation between Barzal/Horvat and what’s to come soon thru the pipeline.

If we’re building around Eiserman and Nelson, we are in big trouble. Both are trending well, but neither screams elite level talent that forms the core of your rebuild. The assets we need to build around have yet to be acquired.

 

[MJF]

I generally agree with this take.

Painful as it is, after all this time, to be staring down the gun barrel of another rebuild...

im tired boss

It beats the way Lou was clinging to “just get in the playoffs and maybe we’ll get hot”

 

[MJF]

If we’re building around Eiserman and Nelson, we are in big trouble. Both are trending well, but neither screams elite level talent that forms the core of your rebuild. The assets we need to build around have yet to be acquired.

Eiserman has an elite snipe. And he’ll take his shot from anywhere.

 

[Chockey22]

Eiserman has an elite snipe. And he’ll take his shot from anywhere.

Oh I agree, and we can only hope that translates to the NHL. But my general point was that even if he does develop into a first line winger, scoring wingers are not what you rebuild around, unless that winger is Ovechkin level - which Eiserman most certainly is not. If we’re doing a rebuild, over the next couple of drafts the Islanders need to draft an elite center (which are usually only found in the top 5 picks) and an elite D-man. That’s the core you build around, not third line centers (Ritchie and Nelson types) or scoring wingers (Eiserman). This team has a long way to go to rebuild a competitive core.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Incredibly possible.

Likely probable.

Gotta think that Palmieri is one of those players whose game is something plenty of people in the business aren't terribly fond or convinced of.

Chances are very high that Lou's readiness to hold onto him was for his own personal perception of what Palms is and brings, and how much he believed he can coddle him into staying.

All that isn't there anymore with whoever is coming in, although they too will do some due diligence in determining what retaining him for the time being would mean to those they are planning with.

Statistically, there's little argument for holding onto Palmieri without Nelson here as he was the only pivot he really managed to produce with. And the 23-24 season was the only one in which he produced in the manner he was acquired for.

I would be fine with Palmieri for two years max. I think that would be the perfect amount of time for Eiserman to hopefully start pushing through. That being said I think he gets 3+ on the open market. I'd let him walk for that.

 

[leeroggy]

If we’re doing a rebuild, over the next couple of drafts the Islanders need to draft an elite center (which are usually only found in the top 5 picks)

You're going to have this center lineup eventually

Horvat
Ritchie
Nelson
Bednarik

If necessary, Barzal moves back and it's

Horvat
Barzal
Ritchie/Nelson
Nelson/Bednarik

You can win with that if the rest of the positions get their jobs done.

 

[PK Cronin]

You're going to have this center lineup eventually

Horvat
Ritchie
Nelson
Bednarik

If necessary, Barzal moves back and it's

Horvat
Barzal
Ritchie/Nelson
Nelson/Bednarik

You can win with that if the rest of the positions get their jobs done.

Two of those centers haven't even played a game in the NHL yet, we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

 

[IslesNorway]

Incredibly possible.

Likely probable.

Gotta think that Palmieri is one of those players whose game is something plenty of people in the business aren't terribly fond or convinced of.

Chances are very high that Lou's readiness to hold onto him was for his own personal perception of what Palms is and brings, and how much he believed he can coddle him into staying.

All that isn't there anymore with whoever is coming in, although they too will do some due diligence in determining what retaining him for the time being would mean to those they are planning with.

Statistically, there's little argument for holding onto Palmieri without Nelson here as he was the only pivot he really managed to produce with. And the 23-24 season was the only one in which he produced in the manner he was acquired for.

Certainly it seems to put on hold with Lou being shown the door, and rightly so. Since he wasn’t traded at the deadline I’d offer him one year and see if he bites. The last thing we need is signing him to a multi year contract like Lou would.

 

[leeroggy]

Two of those centers haven't even played a game in the NHL yet, we're getting way ahead of ourselves.

I would have thought using the word eventually might have covered that?

 

[seafoam]

You're going to have this center lineup eventually

Horvat
Ritchie
Nelson
Bednarik

If necessary, Barzal moves back and it's

Horvat
Barzal
Ritchie/Nelson
Nelson/Bednarik

You can win with that if the rest of the positions get their jobs done.

A 2C and three 3Cs (if everything works out).

 

[leeroggy]

A 2C and three 3Cs (if everything works out).

HF needs a Whining Button . . .

 

[PK Cronin]

I would have thought using the word eventually might have covered that?

Eventually means it's more a certainty than not.

Eventually I'm going to die.
Eventually I'm going to win the Stanley Cup as NHL coach.

See the difference?

All joking aside, I wouldn't be signing guys in hopes that they'll slot into specific areas multiple years from now. It's a recipe for disaster and you're already declaring that the team can win with that. It's too far out to have any sort of confidence in that.

 

[Zeeker]

HF needs a Whining Button . . .

How in any way is that whining? That’s a rhetorical question (it clearly isn’t whining).

It’s more like a reality check. Pencilling in three complete unknowns into your top four centers and then saying with confidence “you can win with that” is insane.

 

[leeroggy]

How in any way is that whining? That’s a rhetorical question (it clearly isn’t whining).

It’s more like a reality check. Pencilling in three complete unknowns into your top four centers and then saying with confidence “you can win with that” is insane.

Insane?

A little over the top, don't you think?

You might want to 'question' that, Isn't the point of using 1st and 2nd round picks to do that? Why draft them otherwise?

This site is acting like a battered spouse these days who can't walk away from their paradigms.

Heck, let's just terminate all contracts and start from scratch, since none of our talent will ever win a game again. The Cup is never coming here! No hope! None of our prospects will ever make the roster!

WHINING