Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[eoin92]

probably bait but Duclair had scored 24 and 31 goals in his two healthy NHL seasons before the signing. That’s more than anyone on the team except for Bo Horvat lolol. If he hasn’t proven shit, 98% of the team hasn’t either

Team is flawed. Overhaul is needed. I don’t think Duclair is an answer to the problems we have. Even prior to the injury, he wasn’t impressive.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Saw rumors that Boqvist and Palms are close to resigning.

Based on prior signings, I'm fully prepared for Boqvist to get 3-5 years. For what I read prior to him signing with us, and his track record like duclair of being on a lot of teams, there's a reason he hasn't stuck.

So Lou giving another talented but unable to harness played a 4 year deal is just par for the course.

I am not against bringing Palmieri back. Though the older he gets, the less you can rely on him to stay healthy as he does have an injury history. Despite that he has two straight years of being a very solid player and I'm happy to have him back for reasonable terms.

Unfortunately I think what I view as reasonable is not what Lou views as reasonable. So 5 years for Boq and 4 for Palms is likely what is going to happen, despite preferring 1-2 years for each. But I'm not an NHL GM, just a guy on a computer.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

Team is flawed. Overhaul is needed. I don’t think Duclair is an answer to the problems we have. Even prior to the injury, he wasn’t impressive.

It was a dreadful signing at those terms. Despite what his biggest fan boy in the world says, he isn't someone with some amazing track record. We gave him way too many years. A one year flier, okay let's see what can happen. But 4 years? Now we're stuck with a guy who isn't good and has a pissy attitude.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Saw rumors that Boqvist and Palms are close to resigning.

Based on prior signings, I'm fully prepared for Boqvist to get 3-5 years. For what I read prior to him signing with us, and his track record like duclair of being on a lot of teams, there's a reason he hasn't stuck.

So Lou giving another talented but unable to harness played a 4 year deal is just par for the course.

I am not against bringing Palmieri back. Though the older he gets, the less you can rely on him to stay healthy as he does have an injury history. Despite that he has two straight years of being a very solid player and I'm happy to have him back for reasonable terms.

Unfortunately I think what I view as reasonable is not what Lou views as reasonable. So 5 years for Boq and 4 for Palms is likely what is going to happen, despite preferring 1-2 years for each. But I'm not an NHL GM, just a guy on a computer.

1-2 years for each is absolutely what should happen. I would not love 3 for Palmieri but once you start going longer than that Lou may not even be alive for the end of all these contracts. I am disappointed that as of now we have not heard anything about DeAngelo.

Unless a top four guy gets dealt we are already looking at the same defense being brought back. This is not even counting giving a guy like George a true chance of making the team after a solid start he had in the NHL.

 

[Strummergas]

Saw rumors that Boqvist and Palms are close to resigning.

Based on prior signings, I'm fully prepared for Boqvist to get 3-5 years. For what I read prior to him signing with us, and his track record like duclair of being on a lot of teams, there's a reason he hasn't stuck.

Reilly was in a similar position to Boqvist last year and only got a one year deal.

 

[PK Cronin]

Wow, you've been on it for two years huh? That's great. Way to close that barn door after the horse is out. You're like @PK Cronin, Lou was good until he wasn't. I'm pretty sure that's a quote. The point is, Lou was never good, not for this organization.

And comparing the record of consistency and excellence of TB over a 10+ year period of time to the Isles three year flash in the pan is the height of ridiculousness and only serves to highlight how desperate you are to embrace even the most modest success. "Success" that, in the end, and despite your attempts to make them out as great achievements (and I guess they are on a relative basis for an organization that has achieved nothing and shot itself in the foot time and time again for 30 plus years) includes no banners, no truly great players, no consistent excellence, just middle of the pack sometimes good, sometimes not monotony, anonymity and organizational decline from the top all the way down to Worcester.

Yeah, he's so not good that you're doing an excellent job articulating it by creating straw man positions, assertions, and moving goal posts constantly to suit what you feel.

You don't like Lamoriello, that's fine, we get it. Move on.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

1-2 years for each is absolutely what should happen. I would not love 3 for Palmieri but once you start going longer than that Lou may not even be alive for the end of all these contracts. I am disappointed that as of now we have not heard anything about DeAngelo.

Unless a top four guy gets dealt we are already looking at the same defense being brought back. This is not even counting giving a guy like George a true chance of making the team after a solid start he had in the NHL.

Yeah, we need to have a pathway to get younger. The long term deals just end up blocking those guys, or like Engvall, just results in a contact you have to try and bury.

The defense is a head scratcher because I think most figured at least the top 3 of Pulock, Pelech, and Dobson were some of the best 3 in the league and a great foundation. Now having cracks in all three of them at times, Mayfield not developing like possibly expected, letting someone like George as part of the youth movement show what he has is important. Pelech and Pulock are 30, Mayfield is 32, and you have George who is 20. I feel like teams that find success with guys in that age group do better.

 

[miscs75]

1-2 years for each is absolutely what should happen. I would not love 3 for Palmieri but once you start going longer than that Lou may not even be alive for the end of all these contracts. I am disappointed that as of now we have not heard anything about DeAngelo.

Unless a top four guy gets dealt we are already looking at the same defense being brought back. This is not even counting giving a guy like George a true chance of making the team after a solid start he had in the NHL.

Essentially George’s spot is that 3rd pairing LD. Bring him back and give him the minutes with Reilly as the 7th unless one (or more) of Pelech/Pulock/Mayfield/Dobson is moved. You have to figure the only defenseman safe who started last season with the team is Romanov.


Random thought I was thinking would be to bring Adam Oates in for skills development (either as an assistant coach or to work with guys at training camp). If I remember correctly, Anders Lee worked with him last summer and his game looked to be rejuvenated this year.

 

[YearlyLottery]

Yeah, we need to have a pathway to get younger. The long term deals just end up blocking those guys, or like Engvall, just results in a contact you have to try and bury.

The defense is a head scratcher because I think most figured at least the top 3 of Pulock, Pelech, and Dobson were some of the best 3 in the league and a great foundation. Now having cracks in all three of them at times, Mayfield not developing like possibly expected, letting someone like George as part of the youth movement show what he has is important. Pelech and Pulock are 30, Mayfield is 32, and you have George who is 20. I feel like teams that find success with guys in that age group do better.

I don't blame Lou for the Pelech/Pulock contracts. The Pulock one is still fine. Pelech has struggled ever since Trotz left but also has struggled with injuries throughout his career. The game is becoming too fast for him and is passing him by. He has been a great Islander though, just a shorter prime than we hoped for.

Mayfield was fine this season and is a bottom pairing guy who performs come playoff time better. Dobson and Romanov have struggled with taking over the top pairing role that Lou envisioned them taking for Pulock/Pelech I think.

I think these are all fine problems to have because the unit as a whole really is not awful, but it is a problem to just bring them all back.

Essentially George’s spot is that 3rd pairing LD. Bring him back and give him the minutes with Reilly as the 7th unless one (or more) of Pelech/Pulock/Mayfield/Dobson is moved. You have to figure the only defenseman safe who started last season with the team is Romanov.


Random thought I was thinking would be to bring Adam Oates in for skills development (either as an assistant coach or to work with guys at training camp). If I remember correctly, Anders Lee worked with him last summer and his game looked to be rejuvenated this year.

I think the Islanders really need to look to bringing in others to the fold so I would be fine with that. Again, I worry that Lou views everyone as safe aside from Dobson (depending on contract). That would not be good. We saw how much better a worse unit on paper looked this season when DeAngelo, Perunovich, and Boqvist were all playing.

 

[miscs75]

I think the Islanders really need to look to bringing in others to the fold so I would be fine with that. Again, I worry that Lou views everyone as safe aside from Dobson (depending on contract). That would not be good. We saw how much better a worse unit on paper looked this season when DeAngelo, Perunovich, and Boqvist were all playing.

I feel like the fact that Lou was not made available during locker cleanout sends a message. They might be waiting until the offseason truly starts to start an actual search for changes in the hockey ops department since other teams would announce firings, giving the ownership a chance to see whose available. The only “replacement” we know that’s available for sure is Lou Jr and he’s not even fit to manage a fantasy hockey team.
For coaches; if it’s Roy next season, let him pick his complete staff instead of a mix between retired Devils and his one assistant. Give him the full control of his staff so there’s no real question next year as to systems and the problems they had when it comes to that.
As for the blueline, I’m not advocating to bring back the same lineup on the backend but more so based on the fact that Romanov was probably our best defenseman last season and was from the original lineup, he’s the only one truly worth keeping next season. Theres others who came in during the season like TDA/Boqvist/George who are worth bringing back as well but overall massive lineup changes need to happen to get a direction moving forward with the team they need to be.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Fire LOU!!!!

 

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[Run It Back]

Yeah, he's so not good that you're doing an excellent job articulating it by creating straw man positions, assertions, and moving goal posts constantly to suit what you feel.

You don't like Lamoriello, that's fine, we get it. Move on.

Are you serious dude? Moving goalposts? I'm the only person on this f**king page who's been consistent about Lou since day 1. You all loved him and now you want him sent to the same little f**king island where he used to send aging vets (but now he just signs them to long term deals). Moving goalposts my ass.

 

[PK Cronin]

Are you serious dude? Moving goalposts? I'm the only person on this f**king page who's been consistent about Lou since day 1. You all loved him and now you want him sent to the same little f**king island where he used to send aging vets (but now he just signs them to long term deals). Moving goalposts my ass.

Quite serious. You either don't understand what I'm talking about or you're not interested in having a real discussion. That's okay because you've been doing this shtick for a bit and I'm not really interested in participating. Like I said, you hate Lamoriello and that's fine. You were right, everyone else was wrong.

 

[LeapOnOver]

What nonsense exactly are you talking about? The season ended in April and the Isles had just finished out of the playoffs for the second year in a row even with the Calder kid so I don't know where your going with that idiotic argument. And wow, a legendary GM. You mean the same GM whose head everyone wants on spike now for running this organization back into the ground? You mean that legendary GM? Maybe that was the thing that pushed him out of here. Have you considered that? The fact remains, a fact you and others like you can't deal with, and that is the simple truth that people say things in a moment and are completely sincere in what they are saying at that time but then conditions change and emotions change and influences change and you find that the maybe you spoke too soon. If you are a human being that exists on this planet, it has invariably happened to you. But since his error in judgement affected the Isles negatively he had to be made a villain of. It's understandable, but either way, the organization had the responsibility of holding his feet to the fire before the trade deadline and didn't.

Nothing to say about the coach fresh off a Stanley Cup win? Teams miss the playoffs....that's a nothing burger. Your thoughts on Lamoreillo are Monday morning QB. There wasn't one Islander's fan upset with bringing him in. You have not explained away the nonsense. Not even close....

 

[LeapOnOver]

Saw rumors that Boqvist and Palms are close to resigning.

Based on prior signings, I'm fully prepared for Boqvist to get 3-5 years. For what I read prior to him signing with us, and his track record like duclair of being on a lot of teams, there's a reason he hasn't stuck.

So Lou giving another talented but unable to harness played a 4 year deal is just par for the course.

I am not against bringing Palmieri back. Though the older he gets, the less you can rely on him to stay healthy as he does have an injury history. Despite that he has two straight years of being a very solid player and I'm happy to have him back for reasonable terms.

Unfortunately I think what I view as reasonable is not what Lou views as reasonable. So 5 years for Boq and 4 for Palms is likely what is going to happen, despite preferring 1-2 years for each. But I'm not an NHL GM, just a guy on a computer.

I hope Boqvist doesn't get any more than a couple years, but resigning him to give George more time to develop is not a bad move. I really hope they do nothing during the offseason....even Palms for 2 years is fine. I'm okay with sucking another year to get a good draft pick.

 

[SI]

I hope Boqvist doesn't get any more than a couple years, but resigning him to give George more time to develop is not a bad move. I really hope they do nothing during the offseason....even Palms for 2 years is fine. I'm okay with sucking another year to get a good draft pick.

Rosner's article states -
"This belief is that this extension will be a short-term deal, 2-3 years, at around $1 million annually, if that. His previous deal was for three years at $2.6 million total ($775k)." There should be NO issue with this resigning even if it went 3 years, which I doubt the player would go for at essentially 1m AAV.

 

[SI]

What is the true value of Ryan Pulock?
This is a serious question, and before you quickly respond with nothing.
Take this in -
If he were a UFA this summer, how much does he get?
If he were a UFA this summer, where does he rank amongst D men?
If he were a UFA this summer, what teams would be interested?

He is a 30-year RHD with a strong playoff resume, 500+ NHL games under his belt, averages 21+ minutes a game and plays tough minutes.

Here are the top 12 UFA D men this summer -

1. Ivan Provorov, 28, LHD, 33 points, 23 TOI
2. Aaron Ekblad, 29, RHD, 33 points, 23 TOI
3. Neil Pionk, 30 in July, RHD, 39 points, 22 TOI - signed 6 years, 7 AAV
4. Vlad Gavrikov, 30 in November, LHD, 30 points, 23 TOI
5. Marcus Pettersson, 29, LHD, 28 points, 21 TOI - signed 6 years, 5.5 AAV
6. Matt Grezlyck, 31, LHD, 40 points, 20 TOI
7. Cody Ceci, 31 (will be 32 in December), RHD, 24 points, 21 TOI
8. Ryan Lindgren, 27, LHD, 22 pints, 19 TOI
9. Dante Fabbro, 27, RHD, 26 points, 20 TOI
10. Dmitri Orlov, 34 in July, LHD, 28 points, 20 TOI
11. Brian Doumoulin, 34 in Sept, LHD, 22 points, 19 TOI
12. Brent Burns, 40, RHD, 29 points, 21 TOI

* Ryan Pulock, 31 in October, RHD, 23 points, 21 TOI

The top 3 D men left (bold in Black) will all sign for at least 6 and will get over 6m AAV a season. You may even see a team take a chance and overpay on Lindgren. I can see Ceci getting at least 4y and close to 5 AAV. Dylan DeMelo, @ the same age, got 4 years, 4.9 AAV. Pulock is the same age and stronger than DeMelo and Ceci.

 

[SI]

Predicted Changes -

1. Duclair will be traded before the draft or bought out
2. Engvall will be traded before the draft or bought out
3. One or maybe TWO of: Pelech, Mayfield, or Pulock will be traded at the draft or just before
4. Perunovich will not be offered a qualifying offer
5. Reilly and Fasching will not be re-signed
6. Maxim Shabanov will sign with the Isles to a Tsyplakov-type contract.
7. 10th OA pick will be shopped - IMO, it will be traded.

The same -

1. TDA and Palmieri are resigned
2. Holmstrom, Dobson, and Romanov get long term deals
3. Boqvist gets reisgned
4. Lee and JGP, with only 1 season left - stay put

 

[impaaaaaact]

Predicted Changes -

1. Duclair will be traded before the draft or bought out
2. Engvall will be traded before the draft or bought out
3. One or maybe TWO of: Pelech, Mayfield, or Pulock will be traded at the draft or just before
4. Perunovich will not be offered a qualifying offer
5. Reilly and Fasching will not be re-signed
6. Maxim Shabanov will sign with the Isles to a Tsyplakov-type contract.
7. 10th OA pick will be shopped - IMO, it will be traded.

The same -

1. TDA and Palmieri are resigned
2. Holmstrom, Dobson, and Romanov get long term deals
3. Boqvist gets reisgned
4. Lee and JGP, with only 1 season left - stay put

Shabanov is probably the perfect fit with Barzal, left handed right winger who can skate with him. 5’8, 150 - not exactly built for the playoffs but can’t complain about a free acquisition.

He’s the leading scorer for Traktor (set the single season record), who finished first in their conference and are headed to the Gagarin Cup finals. He’ll have his fair share of suitors for sure

 

[JRD76]

Shabanov is probably the perfect fit with Barzal, left handed right winger who can skate with him. 5’8, 150 - not exactly built for the playoffs but can’t complain about a free acquisition.

He’s the leading scorer for Traktor (set the single season record), who finished first in their conference and are headed to the Gagarin Cup finals. He’ll have his fair share of suitors for sure

Word is the Isles. Flyers, Pens and Lightning are interested in signing him. I could see him being interested in signing with the Flyers.

 

[Glorydays22]

Adam Boqvist Has Changed Representation, Closing In On Extension With Islanders

Pending restricted free agent defenseman Adam Boqvist is closing in on an extension with the New York Islanders, per Ellliotte Friedman. We can confirm that report.

t.co

Uhh… 3 x 2.75?? Doesn’t that sound like way way way too much?

I guess that means someone is definitely on the way out, but likely multiple defensemen. Just hoping they’re going to learn their lesson about signing guys that gel with coaches… if the coach isn’t around anymore the contracts can start to look real bad, real fast.

Why are we giving this guy that much??? For me, he takes another league minimum...If not, there are plenty of guys like him waiting for a job.

 

[MJF]

probably bait but Duclair had scored 24 and 31 goals in his two healthy NHL seasons before the signing. That’s more than anyone on the team except for Bo Horvat lolol. If he hasn’t proven shit, 98% of the team hasn’t either

98% of this team had already proven they don't have a scoring touch.

 

[MJF]

I don't blame Lou for the Pelech/Pulock contracts. The Pulock one is still fine. Pelech has struggled ever since Trotz left but also has struggled with injuries throughout his career. The game is becoming too fast for him and is passing him by. He has been a great Islander though, just a shorter prime than we hoped for.

I don't think the Pulock one is fine. Pulock was paid to score goals. He doesn't do that. If you were paying Pulock for being a lockdown defenseman he would have a similar contract to Adam Pelech--$5 million/yr.

 

[LAIcelanders]

I don't think the Pulock one is fine. Pulock was paid to score goals. He doesn't do that. If you were paying Pulock for being a lockdown defenseman he would have a similar contract to Adam Pelech--$5 million/yr.

Huh? The difference is $400k