Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[impaaaaaact]

Love the idea and optimism, but there is ZERO chance of moving up 3 spots into the top 5 with Bednarik and a fourth

Here is an old article by current NHL GM eric Tulsky. Looks like the cost to move up from 8 to 5 is around a middle second round pick, which is what Bednarik was. It does mention that the highest pick that was acquired was a 7th in the data set, so anything above that is an estimate. But that should at least get you close.

 

[SI]

Mctavish, Rossi, Byfield, Caufield. Or even A+ prospects and picks. Stay far away from Pettersson.

Mactavish - I spoke about.
The Wild have Faber, so Dobson would be redundant.
The Kings have Clarke
You are dreaming if you think Habs are trading Caufield.

 

[SI]

Here is an old article by current NHL GM eric Tulsky. Looks like the cost to move up from 8 to 5 is around a middle second round pick, which is what Bednarik was. It does mention that the highest pick that was acquired was a 7th in the data set, so anything above that is an estimate. But that should at least get you close.

If isles continue to fall in the standings - I don't see them falling as far 4th or 5th, but possibly 6th or 7th.

I do wonder if the Isles land in the 6th or 7th spot and Sabres are in the 3rd or 4th spot - Would a Dobson + 7 OA for Byram + 3rd or 4th OA be something of interest? You want to get into the top 4.

 

[IslesNorway]

Where is the dropoff in this years draft class? There always seems to be one right before the Islanders pick. The Islanders dont have the draft capital to move up so, the best solution is possibly to suck enough to get the highest possible pick and then try to move back a little. Snow made a stellar job of that in 2008, and if there is no consensus pick in the 6-10 range, moving back makes sense.

 

[TeamKidd]

It is possible for us to get to id say the islanders traditional very well worn #5 Dal Bust draft spot. Seattle has 62 pts and I think they're playing OK so...we shall see.

 

[YearlyLottery]

You still somehow think that draft picks from 5-20 years ago don't matter as much as draft picks in the past 5. And you think that some minor draft lottery rule tweaks devalue them. So if you could get McDavid and Draisaitl now in back to back drafts doesn't matter as much of you got them 8 years ago. Cool.

I promise you, you are the one who has absolute zero idea what you are talking about.

To wit...Giving credit to a GM for his "effort" at the deadline where he somehow tried to retool and go all in - All while having this team miss the playoffs. Tell us how great Milbury and snow are as well. After all....They put in EFFORT!

Also next time the Isles get a top 5 pick (much less a few of them), make sure you post that you'd like to forfeit it because they don't matter as much because of "nEw lOtTeRy ruLZ."

Let's go Lou. Keep trading those 1st round picks YearlyLottery thinks you can't rebuild anymore in the NHL. Must go all in forever!!! Let's go!!! Personally I'm psyched. If you keep trading enough picks eventually we'll make the playoffs again right? Right...?

Typically when someone tries to throw the person they are debating on the extreme opposite side of the argument they don't have anything useful to add to a conversation.

Think about this. You are so entrenched in your opinion that you are:

a.) unable to think about any other thought process being possible

b.) still giving false information (Draisaitl was from the older version of the draft lottery). Feel free to fact check this I could be wrong.

c.) somehow stating that I believe we should continue to trade first round picks when this has not been my opinion.

d.) saying that I gave credit to Lou for the deadline (I stated I was unhappy with it).

e.) somehow I am a Snow/Milbury supporter because they tried

f.) I would like to forfeit top five lottery picks when the Isles get them which is not what I stated at all. This is actually a great part of the new lottery system. They have a shot to move up even this season despite not being one of the top 5 worst teams in the league.

If getting a top 5 pick happens it happens, but choosing to go through a multi year rebuild has still not been proven by you unless you are making up evidence to support your point. I'll be honest I expected a better, more well thought out post by you considering I have given evidence for how a retool/different path forward could work and has worked.

Letters B-E are just complete lies you made up to try and prove your point.

 

[Big L]

Typically when someone tries to throw the person they are debating on the extreme opposite side of the argument they don't have anything useful to add to a conversation.

Think about this. You are so entrenched in your opinion that you are:

a.) unable to think about any other thought process being possible

b.) still giving false information (Draisaitl was from the older version of the draft lottery). Feel free to fact check this I could be wrong.

c.) somehow stating that I believe we should continue to trade first round picks when this has not been my opinion.

d.) saying that I gave credit to Lou for the deadline (I stated I was unhappy with it).

e.) somehow I am a Snow/Milbury supporter because they tried

f.) I would like to forfeit top five lottery picks when the Isles get them which is not what I stated at all. This is actually a great part of the new lottery system. They have a shot to move up even this season despite not being one of the top 5 worst teams in the league.

If getting a top 5 pick happens it happens, but choosing to go through a multi year rebuild has still not been proven by you unless you are making up evidence to support your point. I'll be honest I expected a better, more well thought out post by you considering I have given evidence for how a retool/different path forward could work and has worked.

Letters B-E are just complete lies you made up to try and prove your point.

Maybe you should send him a letter instead?

 

[Sparksrus3]

Where is the dropoff in this years draft class? There always seems to be one right before the Islanders pick.

With all respect I must stop you right here .. The drop off is the Islanders pick .kinda like a pothole . Then the good players get picked again … my all time favorite is Islanders legend Dimitri Chernykh and the pick that followed from 2003 possibly the greatest talent draft all time .
We had a 1st and three 2nds. Many Hall of Fame players in that draft and also used car salesmen in our draft . I will leave you guessing so go check .. LGI

 

[impaaaaaact]

Where is the dropoff in this years draft class? There always seems to be one right before the Islanders pick. The Islanders dont have the draft capital to move up so, the best solution is possibly to suck enough to get the highest possible pick and then try to move back a little. Snow made a stellar job of that in 2008, and if there is no consensus pick in the 6-10 range, moving back makes sense.

1-2 feel like can’t miss superstars

3-9 feel like very very good bets to be top 6ers and a couple of them will be stars

10 is where the isles currently pick… and that’s where the drop off starts. But we can still drop and one team will go off the board every year.

 

[Osakahaus]

When someone has a differing viewpoint than you it doesn't mean they're in denial.

For Malkin, the goal is absolutely 1000% to put asses in the seats - and you do that by selling the idea that there's a chance of winning, either now or in the future. Malkin is Lou's boss and suddenly going to 2 games a month and traveling with the team - he's obviously more concerned with the direction of the team than he's shown in the past.

Hagens is probably the more likely of the two - I have a feeling he's going to drop to 5th-ish and should we not win the lottery, moving up 3 or 4 spots in the draft shouldn't be too costly. Bednarik and a fourth maybe? Really not out of the realm of possibility at all. In all honesty, I'd rather not trade up to take him and I think that we'll get a great player around 9... but I would be 0% surprised if there's a plan to do so.

Marner is more of a reach given our ability to lure top talent in the past for sure. But compared to Panarin or Gaudreau, we have a couple of extra X factors here. There's Martin/Marner's relationship, prior negotiations with Lou, and the fact that a smaller market might be preferable to him after all the shit he's taken in Toronto despite clearly being one of the best players in the league. Of all of the big name FA that will be available in the next couple of seasons, I'd peg him as probably the most likely to sign here.

If I'm Malkin, I'm probably saying go get me these guys. Make the team fun to watch again and get the arena filled back up. And if I'm Lou, I'm probably already thinking that way to try and salvage my job. Either way, we'll see...

Malkin aint doing it

 

[WangMustGo]

Mactavish - I spoke about.
The Wild have Faber, so Dobson would be redundant.
The Kings have Clarke
You are dreaming if you think Habs are trading Caufield.

Clarke isn’t good. We simply have no idea what the market will be and/or who will be available this offseason. The one thing I am certain about is trading Dobson for Pettersson is absolutely horrible mismanagement. Pettersson has been absolute trash dating back to January 2024.

 

[Osakahaus]

Clarke isn’t good. We simply have no idea what the market will be and/or who will be available this offseason. The one thing I am certain about is trading Dobson for Pettersson is absolutely horrible mismanagement. Pettersson has been absolute trash dating back to January 2024.

Noah Dobson has been awful on the power play still and has the yips 24/7

 

[WangMustGo]

Noah Dobson has been awful on the power play still and has the yips 24/7

I’m not arguing that Dobson has been good. I’m arguing that EP40 is awful and his contract will prevent this team from ever being a true contender. You want to move Dobson? Fine I’m not against it. Move him for top notch prospects/picks or young talent that is just breaking into the league.

 

[periferal]

They have had way more success in the playoffs.

"WAY more" playoff success...???

The Leafs have ONE (1) playoff series win in the past TWENTY (20) years. If the bar of "playoff success" means just making the playoffs then yes - Over the past 4 seasons the Leafs have had more "success."

The fact that this is the bar goes to show where expectations have dropped around here.

 

[leeroggy]

Love the idea and optimism, but there is ZERO chance of moving up 3 spots into the top 5 with Bednarik and a fourth

What if it's Chuck Bednarik? What an enforcer he would be!

 

[SI]

"WAY more" playoff success...???

The Leafs have ONE (1) playoff series win in the past TWENTY (20) years. If the bar of "playoff success" means just making the playoffs then yes - Over the past 4 seasons the Leafs have had more "success."

The fact that this is the bar goes to show where expectations have dropped around here.

Way more success means back to back ECF

 

[LeapOnOver]

It's so funny to me how people on this site incessantly whine about not having top talent or not being able to attract top talent, but when you suggest slightly overpaying a guy you can expect those same people to lose their shit.

Market value on Marner is probably around the same as Rantanen, 12.5M - although, if he hits the open market he won't be able to sign an 8 year deal. A team that can only offer 7 years would need to pay 14.3M to match Rantanen's cash...which would make him the highest paid player in hockey, for exactly one season. It's the kind of move that you make if you're a team like us, hoping to re-invigorate an aging roster without NHL ready prospects (but with some on the way).

In order to make that move though, we would likely need to shed Pageau's contract, Varlamov's contract, Engvall and Mayfield's contracts (either by buyout or trade), and then either move one of the aging defensemen or not sign Palmieri. Sounds like a lot, but I think most of that is more or less expected to happen anyway.

I'm definitely on team add elite talent for free. He's definitely a playmaker, but also averages around 30 goals per 82. And he's deadly on the PK. Would be a huge addition to the team

I don't think we have a snowballs chance in hell of signing Marner. However, this idea that he's supported by the cast around him and not worth the money is just asinine. He absolutely deserves a Rantanen contract, like you said.

 

[periferal]

Way more success means back to back ECF

Sounds like we aren't on the same page. Thought you were saying that the Leafs (Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares) have had more playoff success.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Sounds like we aren't on the same page. Thought you were saying that the Leafs (Matthews, Nylander, Marner, and Tavares) have had more playoff success.

I think he was saying the Isles have had way more success and Marner has outpaced our entire team despite that. We add a Marner to the ECF teams and we might have a cup

 

[impaaaaaact]

I don't think we have a snowballs chance in hell of signing Marner. However, this idea that he's supported by the cast around him and not worth the money is just asinine. He absolutely deserves a Rantanen contract, like you said.

I’d say it’s more like a snowball’s chance in Atlanta. Doesn’t happen very often… but it did happen this year!

 

[Chockey22]

I’d say it’s more like a snowball’s chance in Atlanta. Doesn’t happen very often… but it did happen this year!

While I think he probably stays in Toronto, if he gets to July 1, I don't think the Isles are that long of odds. He has familiarity with Lou, and Matt Martin is his best friend. Assuming Martin's still in the organization, he'd likely help with recruitment. Now, I think it is still a long shot, but the Isles are not that badly situated to sign him, especially if they're willing to go 12.5-13.