Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[impaaaaaact]

Way too much optimism about unloading Engvall. Five years after this one and he’s been buried all year. Would be an obvious buyout candidate if there weren’t so many years left. Nobody is taking that contract no matter who he’s attached to.

4th line has been low key fire for a few weeks now, and I think some stats have showed that Maclean plays way way better with Engvall than without. He’s not useless here

and no, Brock Boeser is not a difference maker. Everyone wants to point out his 40 goal last season (16 on the power play) and simply ignore the 3 seasons around that one

… can’t you say the same exact thing about Dobson?

 

[seabass45]

Oh boy…

 

[impaaaaaact]

More Ethan, this time with a Dreger assist:

 

[leeroggy]

It is because Lou gave Mayfield a stupid contract that has 5 more years on it

It's an easy buyout with the Cap going up, that's yesterday's news. The buyout is $1,167,000 a year.

Engvall's is 1,000,000 a year.

Together, we save over $4 million a year on them. Enough with the Cap whining, it isn't the same issue anymore.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

4th line has been low key fire for a few weeks now, and I think some stats have showed that Maclean plays way way better with Engvall than without. He’s not useless here


… can’t you say the same exact thing about Dobson?

That he isn't a difference maker?

Sure, but he is likely going to be one of the better offensive blueliners in the league over the next decade or so.

4th line has been low key fire for a few weeks now, and I think some stats have showed that Maclean plays way way better with Engvall than without. He’s not useless here


… can’t you say the same exact thing about Dobson?

No. Dobson's was his fist 3 seasons in the league, Boeser's were seasons 5, 6 and 8.

I am willing to bet Dobby's career is much more in-line with his 70 point campaign from last season in year 3 than his struggling season to date- hell, just with a moderate improvement in forward talent to work with.

Boeser is likely to remain the sub 70 point scorer he has always been through 8 seasons now (only one season over 60 points, much less 70)

 

[impaaaaaact]

That he isn't a difference maker?

Sure, but he is likely going to be one of the better offensive blueliners in the league over the next decade or so.

No. Dobson's was his fist 3 seasons in the league, Boeser's were seasons 5, 6 and 8.

I am willing to bet Dobby's career is much more in-line with his 70 point campaign from last season in year 3 than his struggling season to date- hell, just with a moderate improvement in forward talent to work with.

Boeser is likely to remain the sub 70 point scorer he has always been through 8 seasons now (only one season over 60 points, much less 70)

I wouldn’t want to trade Dobson for a package based around Boeser. If we can squeeze Lekkerimaki and a first out of it though… that starts to get intriguing.

that being said, a lot of signs pointing to EP possibly being on his way out despite the miller trade. If that’s what Lou is aiming at for Dobson it would probably be one of the riskiest trades of my lifetime

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

It's an easy buyout with the Cap going up, that's yesterday's news. The buyout is $1,167,000 a year.

Engvall's is 1,000,000 a year.

Together, we save over $4 million a year on them. Enough with the Cap whining, it isn't the same issue anymore.

Good thing I didn't mention Mayfield alone in my argument, perhaps read slower.

But no, it is not an ideal situation for many reasons:

1) Like I said we are still committed long-term to Pelech and Pulock
2) We have to re-sign Romanov, who will be getting around that same AAV
3) I doubt they even consider buying out Mayfield with 5 years remaining, especially when Engvall is a MUST buyout and we have a backup goalie we have to consider doing it with who would also cost close to a million

and of course central to my point:

4) It is a central reason why we are looking to trade the D who has the most upside of the group

And you are wrong that 1-3 million isn't valuable to this team right now. In an ideal world, you would like to re-sign BOTH of your young blueliners (RFA's) for next season- and even if you were to get them signed for a combined 14 million, you will have 5 defenseman taking up 30 million of your cap space.....and needing forwards galore as 2 of your limited top-6ers are free agents...

Sorry, but the collective long term contracts given to all three of them (yes, Varlamov too even if it was for only 3 seasons) looked bad when they were done and even (not surprisingly) worse (absolute garbage) now....

 

[impaaaaaact]

My galaxy brain theory is that Lou is going to make the move for Petterson, and then be forced to trade Brock as an extension of that as we couldn't fit them both under the cap.

If the Dobson + Engvall + D. Nelson ask is accurate, you'll essentially get a first and probably a D Nelson level prospect for Brock. The whole thing would basically even out to Dobson for Petterson in the end

 

[impaaaaaact]

they would need to make multiple deals to fit them both in the coming years. Would likely mean Varly, Cizikas and Pageau all have to go, as well as Engvall in the deal to VAN

 

[Zeeker]

All the “insiders” are coming out of the woodwork I see

 

[MJF]

It’s been picked up by NHL network. Can’t imagine Lou is pleased

I agree with Boyle and Demers.

 

[mm11]

Depends who sweet Lou gets for Dobson. I'm intrigued if a reality. Dobson played butter soft for 6'4 frame