Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Chapin Landvogt]

That same article said that the flyers haven't even contacted him. Apparently they spoke with his agency.

And they don't have our Russian Whisperer guy...

Everyone is signing with Minnesota, apparently. Worked out great each time that’s happened.

Good thing they're not paying Parise and Suter anymore...

Oh wait

 

[beach]

In the five games we’ve seen vs. Dobson this year? Nothing.

In Dobson’s last season vs the rest of Tony Deangelo’s career? Everything.

I’m going to need to see TDA keep it up for the rest of the season before thinking of him as a Dobson replacement, especially with his tendency to flame out of organizations. Still, early returns are encouraging.

The big question is how long until TDA punches Soroky in the tunnel?

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Yes, Lou surely would like to play out this season with the guys he's got. I do not think he's gonna put himself in a situation where Nelson and Palms simply walk this offseason.

If they're not moved, expect him to keep them in the fold or know exactly where they want to sign and make a deal with that team in the offseason (granted, one only getting 'pennies for the dollar', so to speak).

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Common sense would say that you'd be a fool to be outside a playoff spot when the trade deadline arrives and keep any UFA you knew you couldn't or wouldn't be re-signing.

No GM would evvvver do that. Right?

 

[MikeyMike01]

There is no one that can replace Nelson in our system or in free agency. If he signs, I'm ok but I need other guys shipped out. Trade Palms and Pageau then. You can get a Kerfoot or Frederic to replace Pageau until Danny Nelson is ready and he's probably 2 years away.

This is my preference.

The alternatives to resigning Nelson are signing an uglier-than-Nelson-will-get UFA contract or being down a top 6 forward.

 

[The Real JT]

And they don't have our Russian Whisperer guy...



Good thing they're not paying Parise and Suter anymore...

Oh wait

I guess buyouts can actually work if you are able to draft and develop younger players and get the occasional talented UFA.

I’ll beat a dead horse here and pile onto Lou’s game plan. It’s OK to misfire on a UFA or when you resign your own player to a bad long term deal but somehow he doesn’t know when to cut bait. The Isles would rather hold onto or trade their underperforming assets by attaching draft picks rather than buy those players out. Both strategies are viable options for most franchises, but Lou is too stubborn to do a buyout and can’t accept defeat.

Maybe that changes with Engvall this offseason?

 

[seafoam]

There is no one that can replace Nelson in our system or in free agency. If he signs, I'm ok but I need other guys shipped out. Trade Palms and Pageau then. You can get a Kerfoot or Frederic to replace Pageau until Danny Nelson is ready and he's probably 2 years away.

Extend Nelson, trade Pageau and Palmieri, sign Marner.

Lee-Horvat-Barzal
Duclair-Nelson-Marner

 

[8EJS9]

Selling Brock, Palmieri, and one of Pulock or Mayfield (RD's are more valuable in a trade than LD's) should be items 1, 2, and 3 by the TDL. If you can move Pageau as well to a contender, great. 3/4 of those moves should set the Isles up nicely.

Idk how long Pulock is supposed to be out for but hopefully it's not post TDL. I don't think he is but someone can fact check me on that.

Dobson and Pulock are supposed to start skating during 4 nations. They should be back after the break but key word ‘should’

 

[periferal]

Yes, Lou surely would like to play out this season with the guys he's got. I do not think he's gonna put himself in a situation where Nelson and Palms simply walk this offseason.

Chap-

How can you say this? In 2012 Lou was presiding over a (more valuable) pending UFA Zach Parise with the Devils, didn't trade him, and he walked that summer - All the way to Minnesota.

We could almost see the exact same thing take place in 2025.

You can't both, "surely like to play out this season with the guys he's got" and not "put himself in a siutation where Nelson and Palms simply walk this season." Logically those two sentiments are at odds with each other.

Lou could've signed either of them at any point from July 1, 2024 up until this moment, but here we are in limbo with a track record of a GM not just rarely ever trading a player at the deadline, but also letting players walk in free agency for nothing.

So literally don't know how you're drawing these conclusions when Lou's literal track record suggests he'll do the exact opposite.

Common sense would say that you'd be a fool to be outside a playoff spot when the trade deadline arrives and keep any UFA you knew you couldn't or wouldn't be re-signing.

No GM would evvvver do that. Right?

We're not dealing with "common sense" here. We're dealing with stubbornness. Thus...See above.

You should prepare yourself for Nelson/Palmieri to still be here on March 8th...And for them to walk this offseason. If anything else happens you can be surprised, but resigning them (into their mid/late 30's) isn't exactly a great move either.

 

[leeroggy]

Saw on the Nashville forum (specifically the Fire sale thread on the Trade Forum) that Luke Evangelista seems to be in Brunette's doghouse. He'd be a fine 3rd liner if we are looking towards filling Palms spot on the roster, with Holms stepping up to the 2nd line.

 

[seafoam]

Blocked shot, potential surgery? Sounds like a recurrence of what happened to him in junior…fractured kneecap.

 

[duster19]

Blocked shot, potential surgery? Sounds like a recurrence of what happened to him in junior…fractured kneecap.

We will never know…Lou needs that leverage so he can put together these Stanley Cup rosters.

 

[Throttle]

Dude loves bringing up stats from 5 seasons ago lmao

Probably because it establishes a pattern…

It’s ok, the team ain’t going anywhere with Barzal - that’s pretty clear already.

 

[Throttle]

He look, Laine got benched after his scoring hot streak. Go get ‘em Lou… he’ll be the magic sauce winger for Barzal - gotta keep trying. Only 7 more years to go.

 

[impaaaaaact]

He look, Laine got benched after his scoring hot streak. Go get ‘em Lou… he’ll be the magic sauce winger for Barzal - gotta keep trying. Only 7 more years to go.

Center that needs a magic sauce winger? 7 more years? I think you got the wrong guy...

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

You can't both, "surely like to play out this season with the guys he's got" and not "put himself in a siutation where Nelson and Palms simply walk this season." Logically those two sentiments are at odds with each other.

Lou could've signed either of them at any point from July 1, 2024 up until this moment, but here we are in limbo with a track record of a GM not just rarely ever trading a player at the deadline, but also letting players walk in free agency for nothing.

So literally don't know how you're drawing these conclusions when Lou's literal track record suggests he'll do the exact opposite.

If we're talking about what I would do, my modus operandi would clearly be:
As the trade deadline approaches, you must re-sign or move your upcoming UFAs by that deadline if you are not well on your way to the playoffs with a realistic shot at making noise. Basta. Even if you still want to see how the respective players finish their season for your team and then are willing to simply see that cap space get freed up for your summer shopping list, MeMyselfAndI wouldn't be one to ever skip out on the opportunity to turn assets I'm not keeping or winning with into other assets. Period.

That's not how I'd roll.

Now, the part you quoted above kind of left off the next section that clarifies where I was going with that, namely:
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If they're not moved, expect him to keep them in the fold or know exactly where they want to sign and make a deal with that team in the offseason (granted, one only getting 'pennies for the dollar', so to speak).
<<<

I've obviously been watching every move Lou makes he's been here. My belief, based on what we've seen from Lou and in the hockey world of late, is that if Palms and Nelson are here after that trade deadline, they're either being re-signed (most likely?) or their UFA rights will be moved to the team they wish to sign with.

When it comes to vets like this with a history with this team or Lou in general, I don't think they'll be part of anything that sees them move along without the NYI gaining something in the process. It's part of whatever loyalty magic stuff Lou seems to get done in the background more often than not.

Example:
If Nelson finishes off the season here and is (behind the scenes while golfing, of course) basically in agreement with Guerin on a contract with the Wild this offseason, I expect to see Guerin send the Isles something like Stramel and a 2026 2nd for the rights to Nelson right after the Cup is awarded and thus, before July 1st.

There have been enough moves of this nature in recent years to think that the GMs see this kind of thing as good business practice.

Caveat:
Whereas I'd thoroughly reckon with this premise, I'm aware that Lou would perhaps have to settle for a bit less on the return.

In addition, if he does this kind of thing with Palms as well, then I'd not expect anything more than a future midrounder.

Again, this isn't the path I (or perhaps most of us would take) but I thoroughly assume it's one Lou would seek and be able to make a reality.

This all said, if Brock and Palms are simply allowed to walk for nothing whatsoever, even that wouldn't surprise me. You and I may see that kind of thing as the last straw but I'm not convinced Malkin would.

 

[Glorydays22]

I can honestly say, I'm staring to truly HATE Lou....not just a comment but truly hate this guy....especially when we see Nelson and Parms go without us getting anything in return. Which is going to happen, no doubt.

 

[Throttle]

Center that needs a magic sauce winger? 7 more years? I think you got the wrong guy...

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Yeah, more stats please. It’s helping.

 

[MarsTBOW]

He look, Laine got benched after his scoring hot streak. Go get ‘em Lou… he’ll be the magic sauce winger for Barzal - gotta keep trying. Only 7 more years to go.

LOL Yeah Laine Got Hot after playing against The Isles Porous Defense...

I can honestly say, I'm staring to truly HATE Lou....not just a comment but truly hate this guy....especially when we see Nelson and Parms go without us getting anything in return. Which is going to happen, no doubt.

I do not think there is another G.M. in the NHL that would not see the handwriting on the wall and get something for the UFA's. I mean for starters, wasn't it Lou who intimated we took a talent hit when Judas Walked for nothing?

 

[The Real JT]

If we're talking about what I would do, my modus operandi would clearly be:
As the trade deadline approaches, you must re-sign or move your upcoming UFAs by that deadline if you are not well on your way to the playoffs with a realistic shot at making noise. Basta. Even if you still want to see how the respective players finish their season for your team and then are willing to simply see that cap space get freed up for your summer shopping list, MeMyselfAndI wouldn't be one to ever skip out on the opportunity to turn assets I'm not keeping or winning with into other assets. Period.

That's not how I'd roll.

Now, the part you quoted above kind of left off the next section that clarifies where I was going with that, namely:
<<<
If they're not moved, expect him to keep them in the fold or know exactly where they want to sign and make a deal with that team in the offseason (granted, one only getting 'pennies for the dollar', so to speak).
<<<

I've obviously been watching every move Lou makes he's been here. My belief, based on what we've seen from Lou and in the hockey world of late, is that if Palms and Nelson are here after that trade deadline, they're either being re-signed (most likely?) or their UFA rights will be moved to the team they wish to sign with.

When it comes to vets like this with a history with this team or Lou in general, I don't think they'll be part of anything that sees them move along without the NYI gaining something in the process. It's part of whatever loyalty magic stuff Lou seems to get done in the background more often than not.

Example:
If Nelson finishes off the season here and is (behind the scenes while golfing, of course) basically in agreement with Guerin on a contract with the Wild this offseason, I expect to see Guerin send the Isles something like Stramel and a 2026 2nd for the rights to Nelson right after the Cup is awarded and thus, before July 1st.

There have been enough moves of this nature in recent years to think that the GMs see this kind of thing as good business practice.

Caveat:
Whereas I'd thoroughly reckon with this premise, I'm aware that Lou would perhaps have to settle for a bit less on the return.

In addition, if he does this kind of thing with Palms as well, then I'd not expect anything more than a future midrounder.

Again, this isn't the path I (or perhaps most of us would take) but I thoroughly assume it's one Lou would seek and be able to make a reality.

This all said, if Brock and Palms are simply allowed to walk for nothing whatsoever, even that wouldn't surprise me. You and I may see that kind of thing as the last straw but I'm not convinced Malkin would.

If Nelson desires to go to the Wild I just can’t see Guerin giving up anything of value for him after the season just so he has first dibs on signing him as a UFA.

I suppose if Guerin is a little nervous and wants to show Lou some respect he might part with something like a fourth round pick. Speaking as a fan, that’s a sh!t return on assets.

I hate to see any more of our players get hurt so I’m left to wish for the Isles to lose every single game until we approach the TDL. It’s best for the franchise.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Yeah, more stats please. It’s helping.

you really seem to like to post stats when they're in your favor. however, whenever they paint a picture counter to your tirade you like to close your eyes and plug your ears like a frightened child. maybe one day you'll learn that facts cannot harm you, and they continue to exist regardless of if you choose to recognize them or not.

For everyone else's sanity I'm going to throw you on ignore for the rest of the season - no use in trying to have a conversation with a brick wall