Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Chockey22]

The fact that the Isles have not just a league worst PP and PK this year, but may actually set the NHL record for worst PP and PK combo, clearly indicates that Roy is not some great coach. I don’t think any coach could turn this team into a serious contender, but I don’t think Roy’s record as a coach indicates he is untouchable either. It’s definitely time to clean out the upper management, and would think they’d want to choose their coach. Maybe that’s Roy, maybe not. As for the GM job, it would be nice to hire someone with relevant experience in that role, either as a GM or assistant GM somewhere.

 

[doublechili]

The past few seasons most people would have listed Anders Lee and his contract as one of the (if not THE) biggest roster problems with the team. And now this year he might be our best forward (player?). Go figure.

 

[bleuetbio]

I would like to add Dobson with the Habs. Need a RD for the long run. What is your needs, the request?

 

[leeroggy]

I would like to add Dobson with the Habs. Need a RD for the long run. What is your needs, the request?

You act like this is a fantasy trade
If you don't know our needs, DO FIVE MINUTES OF HOMEWORK.
This isn't the 1950's where the Canadians got special treatment anymore.

 

[warrior60]

The past few seasons most people would have listed Anders Lee and his contract as one of the (if not THE) biggest roster problems with the team. And now this year he might be our best forward (player?). Go figure.

Sign him to a new three contract after next year.

 

[LeapOnOver]

New top line looking pretty good so far - 75% means they're out-chancing their opponents 3-1. In fact, each of the four lines that have been put together since the team got healthy are over 50% at 5v5... as well as all 3 of the defensive pairings. That tells me that Roy's system is working. If the players he has aren't finishing on their chances... that's a GM thing. Would be a huge mistake to let go of Roy IMO


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Another game with 0 PP goals and multiple PK goals given up. Team should be good 5 V 5 since they seem to be ignoring the other scenarios that exist in a game, lol. Another loss...because of special teams.

I would like to add Dobson with the Habs. Need a RD for the long run. What is your needs, the request?

Any trade for Dobson would include Hutson.

 

[Top Corner]

One of the reasons this team is effective at 5 vs 5 is there is less room on the ice, the moment we have a reduced number , everything falls off the cliff because we can’t retain possession due to our lack of speed

 

[impaaaaaact]

I would like to add Dobson with the Habs. Need a RD for the long run. What is your needs, the request?

Your first (unprotected) + Mailloux probably

 

[Glory Days]

The past few seasons most people would have listed Anders Lee and his contract as one of the (if not THE) biggest roster problems with the team. And now this year he might be our best forward (player?). Go figure.

Lee can thanks Oates. Maybe more Isles should train with Oates.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Lee can thanks Oates. Maybe more Isles should train with Oates.

I've yet to hear anyone who trains with Oates regress. The guy is a mastermind.

 

[Rehabguy]

I don't think you are treating this with a much seriousness as it needs. Even if we squeak into the playoffs, why? Every game will be tight and giving up a goal in every other PK without scoring any on your own chances is like playing the game on one leg. Opponent might as well have a buy. These two things are so disastrous it would be a disservice to the league for the Isles to make the playoffs.

We can also win the Presidents Trophy and fail spectacularly in the first round as the Bruins and Lightning did in the not so distant past. The mantra has always been just make it into the playoffs and its a whole new season where anything can happen. I still believe in this. For sure the older the Isles get the lesser and lesser the chances are that they will do much damage in the playoffs but if the stars align anything can happen. Any chances of us winning the Cup in the next 10 years is at its best now. It was better 5 years ago but again the chances were slim. We can go with the present roster and fail spectacularly in the regular season as well which does not get us any farther from any rebuild anyway. I just don't think this fanbase is ready to handle another protracted rebuild. We have a few pieces of the puzzle on the team already and a critical one playing for BU right now. Someone suggested trading Sorokin which I think is just bat shit crazy. Torrey would tell you you build a team from the goaltender out. We have a world class goaltender still well in his prime. You don't trade him. If a trade for Nelson or Palmieri or Cizikas improves this team for the very near future I say go for it. Otherwise stay the course and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Rehabguy]

New top line looking pretty good so far - 75% means they're out-chancing their opponents 3-1. In fact, each of the four lines that have been put together since the team got healthy are over 50% at 5v5... as well as all 3 of the defensive pairings. That tells me that Roy's system is working. If the players he has aren't finishing on their chances... that's a GM thing. Would be a huge mistake to let go of Roy IMO


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This has been one of the more frustrating thing to observe. 5 on 5 the team is generating so much more scoring opportunities than in years past and putting players in prime position from which to shoot but they aren't finishing these plays like they should. They've also have been creating these opportunities without sacrificing sound defensive play. It's almost like being a position to score now is to good to be true that they don't know how to bury it. It's all in their heads. Casey seemed to figure it out a game ago. I'd like to see more shots taken by Tsyplakov. Theres a guy with his skating speed and size he should be making a bee line straight to the opposing teams net every shift.

 

[bleuetbio]

You act like this is a fantasy trade
If you don't know our needs, DO FIVE MINUTES OF HOMEWORK.
This isn't the 1950's where the Canadians got special treatment anymore.

well, it seems you like to give me one...

I read a complete thread about trading Dobson but wasnt between our teams.

Your first (unprotected) + Mailloux probably

I thought something like Mailloux + 1st Calgary/Florida + ???

 

[seafoam]

Puljujarvi on waivers, might be worth a claim if Holmstrom is hurt.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

On the Trade board I proposed Palms retained for a 2nd and Mikael Diotte, who is an intriguing late bloomer. Not drafted but got a 3-year ELC from the Devils early this year.

21 years old, RHD, 6'3', 205 lbs
Progression in his stats
With Nemec and Casey in the pipeline, he should be available due to trading from a position of strength for the Devils.

We certainly could use another RHD in the prospect pool and he looks like a nice one to target. And the likelihood of prying Casey or Nemec away is pretty small.

Less than 10 games for Diotte this season between AHL and ECHL. Believe he may be injured.

 

[Chockey22]

We can also win the Presidents Trophy and fail spectacularly in the first round as the Bruins and Lightning did in the not so distant past. The mantra has always been just make it into the playoffs and its a whole new season where anything can happen. I still believe in this. For sure the older the Isles get the lesser and lesser the chances are that they will do much damage in the playoffs but if the stars align anything can happen. Any chances of us winning the Cup in the next 10 years is at its best now. It was better 5 years ago but again the chances were slim. We can go with the present roster and fail spectacularly in the regular season as well which does not get us any farther from any rebuild anyway. I just don't think this fanbase is ready to handle another protracted rebuild. We have a few pieces of the puzzle on the team already and a critical one playing for BU right now. Someone suggested trading Sorokin which I think is just bat shit crazy. Torrey would tell you you build a team from the goaltender out. We have a world class goaltender still well in his prime. You don't trade him. If a trade for Nelson or Palmieri or Cizikas improves this team for the very near future I say go for it. Otherwise stay the course and let the chips fall where they may.

I just don't get this view. Letting the chips falling where they may, is where this team is currently at - near the bottom of the league. This team is headed for a rebuild whether Lou intentionally embarks on one or not. So, you can either strategically rebuild by moving key pieces at the appropriate time to make it a quick turnaround, or stumble into a prolonged rebuild with overpaid, anchor contracts that will only extend the turnaround to contention.
Considering Eiserman or any other current prospect as a critical piece of the puzzle is far more bat shit crazy than trading Sorokin. I've stopped mentioning trading Sorokin because it is clear that most Isles fans can't quite accept where this team is at or Sorokin's actual place in the goaltending world. And I get that, we waited a long time for him to come over, and he's the best goaltender we've had in a long while. But, his numbers are what they are and he's in his prime now - while the team in front of him is declining. But whatever, no need to rehash that.
And, taking nothing away from Eiserman, he is progressing fine, but is far from a sure thing and nowhere near the elite talent you need to compete consistently for the cup.

 

[Rehabguy]

I just don't get this view. Letting the chips falling where they may, is where this team is currently at - near the bottom of the league. This team is headed for a rebuild whether Lou intentionally embarks on one or not. So, you can either strategically rebuild by moving key pieces at the appropriate time to make it a quick turnaround, or stumble into a prolonged rebuild with overpaid, anchor contracts that will only extend the turnaround to contention.
Considering Eiserman or any other current prospect as a critical piece of the puzzle is far more bat shit crazy than trading Sorokin. I've stopped mentioning trading Sorokin because it is clear that most Isles fans can't quite accept where this team is at or Sorokin's actual place in the goaltending world. And I get that, we waited a long time for him to come over, and he's the best goaltender we've had in a long while. But, his numbers are what they are and he's in his prime now - while the team in front of him is declining. But whatever, no need to rehash that.
And, taking nothing away from Eiserman, he is progressing fine, but is far from a sure thing and nowhere near the elite talent you need to compete consistently for the cup.

But this idea of just completely throwing everything away and starting new especially when you are including names such as Sorokin in there to me sounds batshit crazy. There are so many unknowns when doing a rebuild that you have equal chance of just making things worse. Every time you add or subtract a player on the roster (especially an unproven one) it introduces an unknown as much as you may have planned things out. You just never know.

There's no magic crystal ball here. The smartest thing to do is to go with what you know and build from there. "His numbers are what they are" What does that mean in regards to Sorokin. You have to look past numbers which in many cases are just as much a reflection of the team's performance as they are of his own. Sorokin has more often than not given this team a chance to win if it weren't for dumb plays made by the players in front of him. More often than not a goal scored on Sorokin is a result of a poor decision made by one of his defenseman other something he had done himself. Soft goals are not often equated with Sorokin's play.

The point being is this team is in better position to retool rather than rebuild where the team is deconstructed to its core and rebuilt from scratch. You go with what you know to be true about your roster, keep core pieces intact, retrain areas that are lacking, trim some of the older players for fresher legs but again, go with what you know and build from there. I agree you add key pieces at the appropriate time. You don't just shake the basket and hope something good will fall out and that's exactly what you do when you trade known but struggling players such as Nelson or Palmieri for players of lesser or only potential talent because thats what you are going to get for such players. Sometimes its just best to hold on to what little talent you have and build from the draft directly. Either those players regain their form like Anders Lee did this year or they suck and we remain in last place and that gets us in a higher draft position as well. But again if those players can give you needed components of a winning team like speed or aggressive hitters you can trade for players like that. Just don't expect to get a player 10 years younger than Nelson who can regularly put the puck in the net 30X a year.

 

[MarsTBOW]

Lee can thanks Oates. Maybe more Isles should train with Oates.

Yes like #13

 

[mm11]

This has been one of the more frustrating thing to observe. 5 on 5 the team is generating so much more scoring opportunities than in years past and putting players in prime position from which to shoot but they aren't finishing these plays like they should. They've also have been creating these opportunities without sacrificing sound defensive play. It's almost like being a position to score now is to good to be true that they don't know how to bury it. It's all in their heads. Casey seemed to figure it out a game ago. I'd like to see more shots taken by Tsyplakov. Theres a guy with his skating speed and size he should be making a bee line straight to the opposing teams net every shift.

Tsyplakov reminds me of a young #44 drafted by the NYI in 1993. Edges, size etc. Go to the net every shift please. Easier said than done I guess

 

[scottywiper]

No news on Holmstrom and Duclair?

 

[Glorydays22]

No news on Holmstrom and Duclair?

what happened to them?

 

[Zeeker]

But this idea of just completely throwing everything away and starting new especially when you are including names such as Sorokin in there to me sounds batshit crazy. There are so many unknowns when doing a rebuild that you have equal chance of just making things worse. Every time you add or subtract a player on the roster (especially an unproven one) it introduces an unknown as much as you may have planned things out. You just never know.

There's no magic crystal ball here. The smartest thing to do is to go with what you know and build from there. "His numbers are what they are" What does that mean in regards to Sorokin. You have to look past numbers which in many cases are just as much a reflection of the team's performance as they are of his own. Sorokin has more often than not given this team a chance to win if it weren't for dumb plays made by the players in front of him. More often than not a goal scored on Sorokin is a result of a poor decision made by one of his defenseman other something he had done himself. Soft goals are not often equated with Sorokin's play.

The point being is this team is in better position to retool rather than rebuild where the team is deconstructed to its core and rebuilt from scratch. You go with what you know to be true about your roster, keep core pieces intact, retrain areas that are lacking, trim some of the older players for fresher legs but again, go with what you know and build from there. I agree you add key pieces at the appropriate time. You don't just shake the basket and hope something good will fall out and that's exactly what you do when you trade known but struggling players such as Nelson or Palmieri for players of lesser or only potential talent because thats what you are going to get for such players. Sometimes its just best to hold on to what little talent you have and build from the draft directly. Either those players regain their form like Anders Lee did this year or they suck and we remain in last place and that gets us in a higher draft position as well. But again if those players can give you needed components of a winning team like speed or aggressive hitters you can trade for players like that. Just don't expect to get a player 10 years younger than Nelson who can regularly put the puck in the net 30X a year.

You must have been amazing at hitting the word count in school assignments

 

[icelander25]

No news on Holmstrom and Duclair?

Think I saw that Holmstrom did get an injury but Duclair was held out for non-injury reasons. Don’t take my word tho, more info should come out tomorrow before the game

 

[Taswell]

Puljujarvi on waivers, might be worth a claim if Holmstrom is hurt.

I’d take a shot on him over the likes of Fasching…McClean…Martin, etc.

 

[Rehabguy]

You must have been amazing at hitting the word count in school assignments

Probably. My teachers kept on writing KISS! on all my school papers. Clearly they all loved me!