Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build
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Torrey Redux
Please!
When did we have two Cup runs? Cup runs are when you run to the Cup. We never did that and to the degree that we came somewhat close, they were wind-aided. So yes, I agree, we don't need to say nice things about them. And we especially don't need to say nice things about them because they sewed the seeds for where we are now. I keep referring to it and I hope he doesn't mind, but @MJF has summed up so perfectly the situation with a line that should, in my opinion, be memorialized somewhere, somehow because of its perfection. "Lou has been trying to win the 2021 Stanley Cup for four years". That's the whole thing in a nutshell. He saw a flawed team go further than it had any right to under highly unusual circumstances and misread what he was seeing. He took it to mean that we were great and just a step away, well worthy of selling the future to double and triple down on what was actually mediocre. When the fans do that, it is perfectly natural. Their not the supposed experts, they just want to win and see their team go far. But when the GM does it, gambles away the milk money on an illusion, that's unforgivable.
Throttle
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When are the Rangers writing that letter to the fans again? I know some people around here really liked that the first time.
islesfan3913
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I love how the Rangers just can’t help but shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly despite every single thing breaking their way. They were gifted the first and second overall picks in back to back years, had players either force themselves there or refuse to play anywhere else like Panarin and Fox, got bailed out by the Ducks taking Trouba for some reason, and they still can’t find maintained success or a way out of the situation they’re in. You just love to see it.
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BelovedIsles
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I’d start a tear down now. This current lineup is too good to actually hit that top-4 marker (wont go with top-5, never seemed to work). I like what Grier is doing, I’d model off of him (to an extent).
I’d keep certain players (calculated), given their age and developmental curve; eg Holmstrom. There are a few players I’m on the fence about, eg Romanov/Dobson (both still raw). Barzal is tricky, as I do not see more development in his future (at least in an NYI context). In the right situation, as a secondary (or tertiary) piece, he could thrive.
Sorokin is a tough one; the only NYI I’d have a *real tough time parting ways with. He’s truly elite (with minor flaws). Interestingly enough, he was drafted by said NYI. Drafting is the way, though not completely.
Guys like Mac, Fasching are filler; so let them do their role; they fit a rebuild perfectly.
I’d keep Cizikas. He ALWAYS hugs the winning goalie. It speaks to me. It’s not a facade; he doesn’t cost much. He’s cheap, and a model of moving your ass at 100% (perhaps now, 85).
Most of those vets; they gotta go. Sprinkle a few in for youth stabilization.
I’d keep certain players (calculated), given their age and developmental curve; eg Holmstrom. There are a few players I’m on the fence about, eg Romanov/Dobson (both still raw). Barzal is tricky, as I do not see more development in his future (at least in an NYI context). In the right situation, as a secondary (or tertiary) piece, he could thrive.
Sorokin is a tough one; the only NYI I’d have a *real tough time parting ways with. He’s truly elite (with minor flaws). Interestingly enough, he was drafted by said NYI. Drafting is the way, though not completely.
Guys like Mac, Fasching are filler; so let them do their role; they fit a rebuild perfectly.
I’d keep Cizikas. He ALWAYS hugs the winning goalie. It speaks to me. It’s not a facade; he doesn’t cost much. He’s cheap, and a model of moving your ass at 100% (perhaps now, 85).
Most of those vets; they gotta go. Sprinkle a few in for youth stabilization.
Kevin27NYI
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Kakko stinks and Seattle is hoping he lives up to his potential and didn’t trade anything for him. Nelson and Kakko are not comparable.
LeapOnOver
Mackenzie is a hack!
Why would you put one of our best players right now on the 4th line?!?!
Edit: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as I haven't logged in for awhile and realize your lineup post is a bit outdated.
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BelovedIsles
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I’d start a tear down now. This current lineup is too good to actually hit that top-4 marker (wont go with top-5, never seemed to work). I like what Grier is doing, I’d model off of him (to an extent).
I’d keep certain players (calculated), given their age and developmental curve; eg Holmstrom. There are a few players I’m on the fence about, eg Romanov/Dobson (both still raw). Barzal is tricky, as I do not see more development in his future (at least in an NYI context). In the right situation, as a secondary (or tertiary) piece, he could thrive.
Sorokin is a tough one; the only NYI I’d have a *real tough time parting ways with. He’s truly elite (with minor flaws). Interestingly enough, he was drafted by said NYI. Drafting is the way, though not completely.
Guys like Mac, Fasching are filler; so let them do their role; they fit a rebuild perfectly.
I’d keep Cizikas. He ALWAYS hugs the winning goalie. It speaks to me. It’s not a facade; he doesn’t cost much. He’s cheap, and a model of moving your ass at 100% (perhaps now, 85).
Most of those vets; gotta go. Sprinkle a few in for the stabilization of the youth.
I’d keep certain players (calculated), given their age and developmental curve; eg Holmstrom. There are a few players I’m on the fence about, eg Romanov/Dobson (both still raw). Barzal is tricky, as I do not see more development in his future (at least in an NYI context). In the right situation, as a secondary (or tertiary) piece, he could thrive.
Sorokin is a tough one; the only NYI I’d have a *real tough time parting ways with. He’s truly elite (with minor flaws). Interestingly enough, he was drafted by said NYI. Drafting is the way, though not completely.
Guys like Mac, Fasching are filler; so let them do their role; they fit a rebuild perfectly.
I’d keep Cizikas. He ALWAYS hugs the winning goalie. It speaks to me. It’s not a facade; he doesn’t cost much. He’s cheap, and a model of moving your ass at 100% (perhaps now, 85).
Most of those vets; gotta go. Sprinkle a few in for the stabilization of the youth.
Can we convince Seattle to trade Kakko for playoff warrior Casey Cizikas?
Tahoeblue
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I think most of us know the best time for a rebuild was 2 plus years ago. I feel like the sputtering of both Detroit and Buffalo's resurgence allowed the Isles to sneak into the playoffs and therefore convince Lou the window was open. If those teams started to squeeze the Isles out, maybe Lou sees the writing on the wall and does what is needed.
Another poster earlier gave a list of about 8-9 teams and asked which of these teams do we catch to make the playoffs this year. The answer is none. It feels like it did a few seasons ago and the race in the east is starting to look cemented.
Another point relating to the failed resurgence of Detroit and Buffalo as many thought they would take the next step. I watched the Senators last night go on the road and shutout Seattle. I believe they have turned the corner and look to squeeze out older cap strapped teams like the Isles and Pens. They have some elite talent and can run a pp. The cold hard truth is that the music has stopped and the Isles have no where to sit.
I know teams look to add closer to the TDL as more salary comes off the books to allow the new team to take on less. My concern is the longer we keep and play our UFA's and other players, the more likelihood of an inj----. I am not going to jinx it.
Another poster earlier gave a list of about 8-9 teams and asked which of these teams do we catch to make the playoffs this year. The answer is none. It feels like it did a few seasons ago and the race in the east is starting to look cemented.
Another point relating to the failed resurgence of Detroit and Buffalo as many thought they would take the next step. I watched the Senators last night go on the road and shutout Seattle. I believe they have turned the corner and look to squeeze out older cap strapped teams like the Isles and Pens. They have some elite talent and can run a pp. The cold hard truth is that the music has stopped and the Isles have no where to sit.
I know teams look to add closer to the TDL as more salary comes off the books to allow the new team to take on less. My concern is the longer we keep and play our UFA's and other players, the more likelihood of an inj----. I am not going to jinx it.
Glorydays22
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Glad to see him going to Seattle but you can't ignore the age difference and that's what I'm worried about. A young talent who like Kakko who to me didn't really get a fair shake in NY might be more appealing to the Wild or Dallas if they have to give up picks and young prospects.
Lets see him play on a regular basis and regular line in Seattle before I agree with this statement
Glorydays22
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I agree with Dobson, no way I'm I paying him 8-9M and if that's what he's demanding, then yes we need to move him. But I hope he and his agent realize with this season and how bad he's playing he can expect around 6-7M for his next deal with us.
Listen if there was a deal that would definitely help us long term by moving Brazal, I think we have no choice but to listen. I'm just not sure what tha possible deal looks like.
I understand moving all the dead wood won't move needle much. But it's neccesary that we move out their salaries and roster spots. And if Lou or Management is smart, we can still get good value in Nelson and Parms....But that clock is ticking FAST.
One thing we have to give credit to the Rangers (hate to say it), but they are very willing to trade anyone regardless of popularity and willing to cut ties to players at a drop of a time if they think it will make them better. Not like Lou, he thinks these guys are is kids, his blood and would die first before trading them.
