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YearlyLottery

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I think the organization needs to look heavily into trading one of Barzal or Dobson. I am hesitant to trade a young defenseman who has put up an elite point scoring season but I am even more hesitant giving Dobson a huge long term contract after this season.

Barzal is a solid 70-80 point elite skating forward but he does not seem to be more than that. If this is indeed the case I wonder if the Islanders could swing a package for him. This team somehow looks better without him during two stretches now.

Oh and by the way Ehlers is having a career start to his season.

Can you win a Cup with Barzal as a first line center and Dobson as a first pairing defenseman? I am honestly not sure what the answer to that question is. I do know that Pageau, Horvat, and Lee should not be broken apart on the first line though.
 

duster19

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Engvall-Cizikas-Holmstrom has had some nice shifts and have been able to get the cycle going.

They are not a typical "bruiser" fourth line, but I think you keep that line together until one o

Lee-Horvat-Pageau
Tysplakov-Nelson-Palmieri
Duclair-Barzal-Fasching/Wahlstrom or Duclair-MacLean-Barzal
Engvall-Cizikas-Holmstrom
If Lee Horvat Pageau can be a legit producing line. It opens up big possibilities for the isles with barzal and duclair coming back.
 
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Lame Lambert

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I think the organization needs to look heavily into trading one of Barzal or Dobson. I am hesitant to trade a young defenseman who has put up an elite point scoring season but I am even more hesitant giving Dobson a huge long term contract after this season.

Barzal is a solid 70-80 point elite skating forward but he does not seem to be more than that. If this is indeed the case I wonder if the Islanders could swing a package for him. This team somehow looks better without him during two stretches now.

Oh and by the way Ehlers is having a career start to his season.

Can you win a Cup with Barzal as a first line center and Dobson as a first pairing defenseman? I am honestly not sure what the answer to that question is. I do know that Pageau, Horvat, and Lee should not be broken apart on the first line though.
We’ve seen the results and the answer is “probably not.” Both should be available for the right price.
 

leeroggy

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But he should, you know, be seen as a serious candidate, right?

:sarcasm:


Borderline, but worthy of consideration!

A great example of how trades for rebuilds don't always work out . . . Tonelli stayed productive for 6 more seasons after that deal
 

MJF

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The Isles should hire Oates.

Oates is a Lou guy.

Soooo…

Brent Sutter-head coach
Adam Oates-forwards
Larry Robinson-defensemen

Let’s see if Roy lasts the season.
 

impaaaaaact

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I think the organization needs to look heavily into trading one of Barzal or Dobson. I am hesitant to trade a young defenseman who has put up an elite point scoring season but I am even more hesitant giving Dobson a huge long term contract after this season.

Barzal is a solid 70-80 point elite skating forward but he does not seem to be more than that. If this is indeed the case I wonder if the Islanders could swing a package for him. This team somehow looks better without him during two stretches now.

Oh and by the way Ehlers is having a career start to his season.

Can you win a Cup with Barzal as a first line center and Dobson as a first pairing defenseman? I am honestly not sure what the answer to that question is. I do know that Pageau, Horvat, and Lee should not be broken apart on the first line though.
They've been good over the past few games for sure. It was a long time ago now so it's easy to forget, but the few games we got from Duclair - Horvat - Barzal were way better.

In the small sample size that we have, that top 9 looked really really good from a scoring chance standpoint - the issue is that no one was finishing. I'd love to see them give it a chance again now that they seem to have hit their stride a bit on that front.

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