Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

[Throttle]

I agree with others that it is unlikely Engvall terminates his contract. I am not sure what asset would have to be attached to get rid of the contract, but if it's not too onerous (third round pick or less), I think that would be the preferred route. Failing a trade, I would think the most likely outcome is a buyout next summer. 1 million against the cap for ten years shouldn't be that difficult to absorb with the cap drastically rising. I think it's a positive sign that the GM isn't doubling down on his mistake, but it still baffles me that an actual NHL GM would have made this mistake to begin with.

He was acquired for peanuts as a deadline acquisition and played pretty well with Nelson the rest of the way in games that mattered. Lou gambled, but in the grand scheme of things it’s a nominal cost and risk.

Look at the Tanner Jeannot debacle for TB.

 

[Throttle]

I think a lot of people are being more hopefully than anything when it comes to Engvall agreeing to a contract termination. He made roughly $6.5 million before signing with us and our deal with him essentially triples his career earnings up until now. Sure it sucks to have to ride the bus and deal with the travel and life of an AHL player, but I find it hard to believe it isn’t worth dealing with that for a guaranteed $18 million, especially when he’ll avoid one of the more annoying aspects of AHL life which is having to bounce around from team to team every year. He isn’t getting anything more than $1 million or so this year if he terminated his contract and signed somewhere else and unless he turned into a borderline top six player, he isn’t going to get $3 million per and definitely not on a long term deal. Even if he played this year for $1 million and then somehow went off and got a six year deal with an AAV of $4 million, that’d be only $7 million more than his current contract which he’s a) already made in his career and b) isn’t guaranteed. It’s pretty much $18 million 100% guaranteed vs. $18-$25 million in the unlikely absolute best case scenario.

You are projecting because you would suck it up and do it.

He signed a deal to make that money in the NHL, with all its premium services that come with it. It’s a unique situation due to the length, his time in the NHL, a Swede, and unlikely anyone wants his contract.

Lou may try to find a home for him to help him along, but HE failed Lou, not the other way around. My guess in that situation Lou doesn’t toss away assets like Rob Blake does to save face and keep his job. Engvall can play BST, pray for like 3 injuries at Forward, or move on.

 

[islesfan3913]

You are projecting because you would suck it up and do it.

He signed a deal to make that money in the NHL, with all its premium services that come with it. It’s a unique situation due to the length, his time in the NHL, a Swede, and unlikely anyone wants his contract.

Lou may try to find a home for him to help him along, but HE failed Lou, not the other way around. My guess in that situation Lou doesn’t toss away assets like Rob Blake does to save face and keep his job. Engvall can play BST, pray for like 3 injuries at Forward, or move on.

It sounds like we’re making the exact same point. I’m saying that there’s no chance Engvall is going to just let go of a guaranteed $18 million that he’ll have by his mid 30’s just to TRY to get back in the NHL and, even if he makes it back, not make that $18 million again. Sure his expectations were to play in the NHL, but like I said that $18 million would triple what he’s already made in his career and money does talk even to athletes. I agree there’s little chance we’ll look to move him with an assets worth anything to sweeten the deal for the other team, so Engvall’s only options are to just play in BP or terminate the deal, and I think it’s obviously which path makes the most sense.

 

[MJF]

This is who we’ll start the season with. We are cap compliant with $213,000 in cap space.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843396375045648835

 

[Throttle]

It sounds like we’re making the exact same point. I’m saying that there’s no chance Engvall is going to just let go of a guaranteed $18 million that he’ll have by his mid 30’s just to TRY to get back in the NHL and, even if he makes it back, not make that $18 million again. Sure his expectations were to play in the NHL, but like I said that $18 million would triple what he’s already made in his career and money does talk even to athletes. I agree there’s little chance we’ll look to move him with an assets worth anything to sweeten the deal for the other team, so Engvall’s only options are to just play in BP or terminate the deal, and I think it’s obviously which path makes the most sense.

We generally are. I’m just saying it’s not that obvious he’s going to suck it up in BST to earn the full value of his contract. That’s a personal matter to the person whether they really wants that life. Redden in his post playing interviews said it was very hard on him to do it, but found ways through to rationalize it. He was essentially ostracized.

 

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[Throttle]

This is who we’ll start the season with. We are cap compliant with $213,000 in cap space.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843396375045648835

Most playoff contenders have little cap space. The isles are not alone in that regard.

 

[Osakahaus]

Engvall wasnt gonna get claimed unless someone really wanted a guy for 6 more years. I hope he pops up again, but Bridgeport is his wake up call. Its kinda funny how Gauthier actually made the cut over him. Guess the isles really liked his chemistry on the 4th line alongside Wahlstrom and Maclean. That could be a fun PK duo too.

 

[Osakahaus]

Palmieri replacement next year?

Maxim -Brock - Maxim

All those people so concerned about "draft picks"... when we can just corner the market on NHL-ready Russians.

Shabanov would also be a major jolt to our youth.

 

[Throttle]

Engvall wasnt gonna get claimed unless someone really wanted a guy for 6 more years. I hope he pops up again, but Bridgeport is his wake up call. Its kinda funny how Gauthier actually made the cut over him. Guess the isles really liked his chemistry on the 4th line alongside Wahlstrom and Maclean. That could be a fun PK duo too.

Let’s see how Gauthier shakes out. His pattern is he doesn’t maintain the consistency to keep his role.

Whiplashing Engvall in favor of Gauthier is pretty much one of the same. Color me surprised if Gauthier plays more than 40 NHL games with the Isles this season.

 

[leeroggy]

I agree with others that it is unlikely Engvall terminates his contract. I am not sure what asset would have to be attached to get rid of the contract, but if it's not too onerous (third round pick or less), I think that would be the preferred route. Failing a trade, I would think the most likely outcome is a buyout next summer. 1 million against the cap for ten years shouldn't be that difficult to absorb with the cap drastically rising. I think it's a positive sign that the GM isn't doubling down on his mistake, but it still baffles me that an actual NHL GM would have made this mistake to begin with.

Three Stanley Cup rings are the rejoinder

And this team is set up to have a great year . . .

 

[Top Corner]

Why? Lamoriello has always been merciless in terms of player management. If the assessment was that he's not helping the team, I don't think he's really going to let pride or something like that prevent him from making a move.

Let me know in all his years where he has signed "said player" the previous year to a contract longer than 4 years and then waived him the next season.

 

[BelovedIsles]

Ppl make it sound like this whole Engvall to BP is permanent. First injury (which will happen), he’s likely the first call up.

 

[periferal]

Three Stanley Cup rings are the rejoinder

And this team is set up to have a great year . . .

....If Sorokin is healthy and plays like it's 2022.

 

[Osakahaus]

Ppl make it sound like this whole Engvall to BP is permanent. First injury (which will happen), he’s likely the first call up.

Might depend on who goes down. if its Palmieri, then it'll be him.

 

[LeapOnOver]

Most playoff contenders have little cap space. The isles are not alone in that regard.

Are you saying this because you thought the OP was complaining about it? Everyone knows this.

Let’s see how Gauthier shakes out. His pattern is he doesn’t maintain the consistency to keep his role.

Whiplashing Engvall in favor of Gauthier is pretty much one of the same. Color me surprised if Gauthier plays more than 40 NHL games with the Isles this season.

100% agree. He's the name that stands out as not being on the roster by Christmas.

 

[seafoam]

Are you saying this because you thought the OP was complaining about it? Everyone knows this.


100% agree. He's the name that stands out as not being on the roster by Christmas.

Both him and Wahlstrom are candidates to not be on the roster by Christmas, but waiving Engvall was the only way of giving them both a shot, and waiving Engvall might be the medicine needed to get him to play the way they need him to play.

 

[Glory Days]

Both him and Wahlstrom are candidates to not be on the roster by Christmas, but waiving Engvall was the only way of giving them both a shot, and waiving Engvall might be the medicine needed to get him to play the way they need him to play.

Let’s see how Engvall reacts. Maybe he gets motivated and is Bridge’s best player. Equally likely he pouts and we never see him again. Time will tell.

 

[periferal]

Let’s see how Engvall reacts. Maybe he gets motivated and is Bridge’s best player. Equally likely he pouts and we never see him again. Time will tell.

That would be a dream. Because right now Engvall is a roll of Charmin with skates. If he's not scoring he's totally useless. Dude makes Brock Nelson look like Donald Brashear.

 

[Zeeker]

Traded Bailey and Beau, fan favorites

Fan favorites on some days, Whipping Boys #1 and 2 on most other days

 

[leeroggy]

That would be a dream. Because right now Engvall is a roll of Charmin with skates. If he's not scoring he's totally useless. Dude makes Brock Nelson look like Donald Brashear.

Sounds to me that there's another use or two . . .

 

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[LeapOnOver]

Both him and Wahlstrom are candidates to not be on the roster by Christmas, but waiving Engvall was the only way of giving them both a shot, and waiving Engvall might be the medicine needed to get him to play the way they need him to play.

Yup, I think most of us feel it was the right move. Fast starts are so important. Lou is trying to put the best group out there for Roy, and this must have been it. We'll see what the roster looks like in a few months.

 

[JRD76]

For those who don't like the small guys, don't get too excited about him. He's 5'8 157lbs. Some here believe that's too small to play in the NHL.

 

[Throttle]

Are you saying this because you thought the OP was complaining about it? Everyone knows this.


100% agree. He's the name that stands out as not being on the roster by Christmas.

Nope, the statement was neutral, same with my response. More just the crowd that bemoans the Isles don’t have gobs of cap space to make a major move and complain about it.