Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2024-25: Re-Tool, Re-Group, Re-Mix, Re-Build

You took a vague post about the future of the economy and immediately started crying about trump, who was not previously named.

It is very clearly you who is doing the exact thing you're complaining about.
FWIW, the big increases in the salary cap were announced on January 31st, a little more than six weeks ago. Someone starts a post "not to get political" and then questions whether the increases will now actually happen. I'm not sure how else that's supposed to be taken, but even if it's ambiguous I appreciate mods stepping in and saying something. I was on a great hockey board years ago that blew up because of politics. Zero tolerance is the best approach.
 
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Just noting here that Nazem Kadri at 34 years old finishing out his 3rd year in that 7 year contract doesn't look like there's any slowdown in his game. I'm not gonna say he'll be better than Horvat over the next 4 years, but Kadri + the assets used to acquire Horvat > Horvat by a significant margin. His game has calmed down. But imo that's a good thing.

There were maybe 2-3 of us who wanted to sign Kadri. Well, NYI should have.
 
Just noting here that Nazem Kadri at 34 years old finishing out his 3rd year in that 7 year contract doesn't look like there's any slowdown in his game. I'm not gonna say he'll be better than Horvat over the next 4 years, but Kadri + the assets used to acquire Horvat > Horvat by a significant margin. His game has calmed down. But imo that's a good thing.

There were maybe 2-3 of us who wanted to sign Kadri. Well, NYI should have.
I was one of those 3. Guys freak out on here when players turn 30. You gotta look at the specific player.

Larger guys who are already slow have a higher chance of hitting a decline faster. Skill and snarl will last for longer. Even if you get 4 good year, 2 meh ones and bad one you got a positive contract. It was crazy to me how people were reacting to the possibility of signing a SC winner coming off a 100 point pace season.
 
Signing Kadri also meant moving out other players to fit him, no? It's tough to remember all the cap gymnastics we had to do during that time.
 
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Without getting further into the political economy stuff - i do think it would be prudent for the Isles management not to operate as though the predicted cap hit is a certainty. Bettman is on record saying the NHL is concerned about the impact on league revenues.
After watching Lou get burned by a flat COVID cap and not be able to maneuver around it as deftly as other GMs, I agree with you.
 
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Just noting here that Nazem Kadri at 34 years old finishing out his 3rd year in that 7 year contract doesn't look like there's any slowdown in his game. I'm not gonna say he'll be better than Horvat over the next 4 years, but Kadri + the assets used to acquire Horvat > Horvat by a significant margin. His game has calmed down. But imo that's a good thing.

There were maybe 2-3 of us who wanted to sign Kadri. Well, NYI should have.

Well they could sign a good player this offseason that they would not have been able to sign if Kadri was eating up cap space. I’d rather have Ehlers over Kadri.
 
Reading back in this thread, I find it a little weird that folks who would want Lou to blow out the cap on Mitch Marner would not want to trade for an already signed Elias Pettersson with a $2M retention.

Besides, I don't think Marner is signing anywhere but Toronto.
 
Reading back in this thread, I find it a little weird that folks who would want Lou to blow out the cap on Mitch Marner would not want to trade for an already signed Elias Pettersson with a $2M retention.

Besides, I don't think Marner is signing anywhere but Toronto.

I personally think Pettersson is extremely overrated and is damaged goods. I don’t want anything to do with Pettersson, especially at the expense that it would cost. I’d take Marner any day. I think he is heavily scrutinized in Toronto, but he is an excellent player that would benefit playing in a smaller market.

I will also add in that I don’t think Marner is realistic. I think a guy like Ehlers would be a great addition for us.
 
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Reading back in this thread, I find it a little weird that folks who would want Lou to blow out the cap on Mitch Marner would not want to trade for an already signed Elias Pettersson with a $2M retention.
His dropoff does make one want some explanation. He had some historically bad months, and his recent uptick comes with 4 goals in 9 games, where he only had 15 shots. This is not like Bo Horvat being down - his Sh% has dropped. Nope, Petterssons's Shots & Attempts are down like 25%.

To put it in context, Barzal has averaged 5.7 shot attempts per game. Pettersson, this year, is at 4.

And you can see it. He looks lethargic, not frustrated.

Maybe it's Tocchet, idk. But if you think it is you better be sure.
Besides, I don't think Marner is signing anywhere but Toronto.
That may be. imo I would try to sign him, but not lose sleep over not signing him.

I feel reasonably confident about my Marner theory, namely, that he gets played 1-2 minutes too much per game, and he'd be in better shape come playoff time if he played a bit less. He's also got 131 power play points in the last 5 years - on the level of Pasternak, Fox, and Barkov. He's an excellent PK'er. I realize he may not sign, but the fit is obvious.
 
Reading back in this thread, I find it a little weird that folks who would want Lou to blow out the cap on Mitch Marner would not want to trade for an already signed Elias Pettersson with a $2M retention.

Besides, I don't think Marner is signing anywhere but Toronto.
I get this, and theoretically if EP were UFA, I think many people here would be fine signing him to his current contract, notwithstanding his struggles this season. But there are a lot of differences if either were to hypothetically come to pass: 1) acquiring EP requires giving up very good assets - Marner does not. Because of this, adding EP does not necessarily make the team any better, while adding Marner does. 2) Marner has not had the career regression that EP has over the past year - he is still at the top of his game, EP is not. You only have to watch a few Canucks games to see he is not the dominant player he once was. 3) The chances of Vancouver trading EP, especially with 2M retained, seems more far-fetched than Marner leaving TO, which itself is a very low probability.
 
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His dropoff does make one want some explanation. He had some historically bad months, and his recent uptick comes with 4 goals in 9 games, where he only had 15 shots. This is not like Bo Horvat being down - his Sh% has dropped. Nope, Petterssons's Shots & Attempts are down like 25%.

To put it in context, Barzal has averaged 5.7 shot attempts per game. Pettersson, this year, is at 4.

And you can see it. He looks lethargic, not frustrated.

Maybe it's Tocchet, idk. But if you think it is you better be sure.

That may be. imo I would try to sign him, but not lose sleep over not signing him.

I feel reasonably confident about my Marner theory, namely, that he gets played 1-2 minutes too much per game, and he'd be in better shape come playoff time if he played a bit less. He's also got 131 power play points in the last 5 years - on the level of Pasternak, Fox, and Barkov. He's an excellent PK'er. I realize he may not sign, but the fit is obvious.
I’ll stand on the hill that he had a prickly teammate who was traded away. Took a while to shake off the lethargy but Pettersson s last 5 games shoe someone who is snapping out of it.

Last year’s playoffs didn’t show Marner in a good light but he put it behind him with a fine regular season.
 
I get this, and theoretically if EP were UFA, I think many people here would be fine signing him to his current contract, notwithstanding his struggles this season. But there are a lot of differences if either were to hypothetically come to pass: 1) acquiring EP requires giving up very good assets - Marner does not. Because of this, adding EP does not necessarily make the team any better, while adding Marner does. 2) Marner has not had the career regression that EP has over the past year - he is still at the top of his game, EP is not. You only have to watch a few Canucks games to see he is not the dominant player he once was. 3) The chances of Vancouver trading EP, especially with 2M retained, seems more far-fetched than Marner leaving TO, which itself is a very low probability.
Understood.

Adding Marner as a UFA requires buyouts and cap gymnastics. Adding Pettersson might call for trading Noah Dobson +, which nobody here had a problem with last week.

Mitch Marner is now the shiny toy in the store window. The Isles traditionally could never get a high end player to sign here off the street. Therefore we’d have to trade for an elite skill player looking for a change of scenery. The Island is a low-pressure place to play where there isn’t the pressure to win here the way there is in Toronto. And don’t kid yourself, Vancouver is a demanding place to play.
 
Listening to sports talk radio in Vancouver, the conversation revolves around one key issue: the Canucks need this version of Elias Pettersson (EP40). But ultimately, only one thing truly matters—Quinn Hughes.

If the Canucks trade EP40 without getting a center of equal calibre in return, it could set off a chain reaction. Hughes, their franchise defenseman, would likely want out. There’s no one in the system even remotely ready to step up—not even Aatu Räty, who is still fighting to secure a regular NHL roster spot.

The team's recent moves suggest GM Patrik Allvin is committed to competing now. The quick trade of the Rangers' No. 1 pick to Pittsburgh for Marcus Pettersson and Drew OConnor (and their subsequent signing of long-term contracts) reinforces that urgency. The J.T. Miller trade, while debatable in value, signals their win-now mentality. Mancini looks like a great find for the right side of the defence, and Chytil is solid, although Pius Suter has looked even better.

Looking ahead, the Canucks’ best option is to repair their relationship with EP40 and get him back to top form. He’s looked the best he has all season, and with Vancouver competing against the Blues and Flames for a playoff spot, he will be key to securing the final berth.

In the offseason, a coaching change could be on the horizon—this is Vancouver, after all, and Rick Tocchet may take the fall. They’ll have cap space and Thatcher Demko as a prime trade chip to strengthen their center depth, which remains a glaring need.

One thing is certain: EP40 will not be traded this offseason. The Canucks can’t afford it—because if he goes, Quinn Hughes won’t be far behind.
 
On Marner -
Right now, it’s full-on damage control in Toronto. Listening to Elliotte Friedman—who is usually fantastic—he seems to be in the Leafs’ pocket, downplaying the situation significantly.

Friedman mentioned that when Carolina inquired about a Marner-for-Rantanen trade, the Leafs felt they had to ask. But that’s not true. If they truly preferred Marner over Rantanen, they wouldn’t have entertained the idea. If they were confident in re-signing Marner, they wouldn’t have considered it. The fact that they did ask means they’re weighing whether they’d be better off with Rantanen instead.

When his co-host pushed back—comparing the situation to a shaky relationship—Friedman dismissed it, suggesting there’s no commitment from Marner’s side either. He then claimed there’s been too much talk about Rantanen and that the real issue is that the story got out. Seriously? The fact that this leaked is important. It signals that Marner doesn’t want to go to Carolina and wants control over his future.

Let’s not ignore the biggest red flag: the Leafs have yet to offer Marner a contract all season. If they were serious about keeping him, wouldn’t they have started negotiations by now?

Marner is a Toronto boy, yet he’s been made the scapegoat for their playoff failures. Most of the fanbase wants him gone. And in all likelihood, this postseason will be another first-round exit, with Marner leading the team in playoff points, time on ice among forwards, and playing key roles on the power play, penalty kill, and even strength—only to be blamed again.

When he hits free agency, expect teams like the Kings, Canucks, Predators, Blue Jackets, Devils, Rangers, Bruins, Vegas, Utah, and the Islanders to pursue him.

Could the Islanders actually land Marner? It’s unlikely, but not impossible. Lou Lamoriello drafted him and has close ties to key Isles players. After the Tavares debacle, signing Marner would be sweet revenge—he’d be the first major free agent ever to sign with the Isles. Adding Marner could bring the high-end offensive change they desperately need, but it would take a serious financial commitment—likely over $12M, possibly $13M per year. To make it work, they’d need to go cheap on the fourth line, much like the Avalanche, Leafs, Oilers, and Lightning do now.

For those worried about the cap—don’t be. The NHL and NHLPA begin CBA talks on April 1st, and the salary cap is set to rise. Next season, it will likely hit $95M+, with projections of $104M the following year. The Isles will also have Lee and Pageau’s contracts coming off the books, allowing them to redistribute cap space more effectively. With young talent like Eiserman, Ritchie, Nelson, and their 2025 first-round pick potentially on entry-level deals, the structure could work.

Marner turns 28 this May. A seven-year deal would take him to 34. That’s a risk worth taking.
 
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Listening to sports talk radio in Vancouver, the conversation revolves around one key issue: the Canucks need this version of Elias Pettersson (EP40). But ultimately, only one thing truly matters—Quinn Hughes.

If the Canucks trade EP40 without getting a center of equal calibre in return, it could set off a chain reaction. Hughes, their franchise defenseman, would likely want out. There’s no one in the system even remotely ready to step up—not even Aatu Räty, who is still fighting to secure a regular NHL roster spot.

The team's recent moves suggest GM Patrik Allvin is committed to competing now. The quick trade of the Rangers' No. 1 pick to Pittsburgh for Marcus Pettersson and Drew OConnor (and their subsequent signing of long-term contracts) reinforces that urgency. The J.T. Miller trade, while debatable in value, signals their win-now mentality. Mancini looks like a great find for the right side of the defence, and Chytil is solid, although Pius Suter has looked even better.

Looking ahead, the Canucks’ best option is to repair their relationship with EP40 and get him back to top form. He’s looked the best he has all season, and with Vancouver competing against the Blues and Flames for a playoff spot, he will be key to securing the final berth.

In the offseason, a coaching change could be on the horizon—this is Vancouver, after all, and Rick Tocchet may take the fall. They’ll have cap space and Thatcher Demko as a prime trade chip to strengthen their center depth, which remains a glaring need.

One thing is certain: EP40 will not be traded this offseason. The Canucks can’t afford it—because if he goes, Quinn Hughes won’t be far behind.
agree with everything here - except for Demko. He is not a prime trade chip at all - his health situation basically negates any positive trade value.
 
flame away.

Not sure if you guys are about to begin a rebuild, but say you are.

Montreal wants Noah Dobson (been some smoke) and we need a C.. Bo Horvat

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

1st 25'
1st 26'
2nd 25'
2nd 26'
Logan Mailloux
Oliver Kapanen
Newhook ???

Interested?
 
flame away.

Not sure if you guys are about to begin a rebuild, but say you are.

Montreal wants Noah Dobson (been some smoke) and we need a C.. Bo Horvat

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

1st 25'
1st 26'
2nd 25'
2nd 26'
Logan Mailloux
Oliver Kapanen
Newhook ???

Interested?
I won’t pretend to know what Lou is thinking but I wouldn’t trade Dobson. Especially in a futures only deal.
 
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flame away.

Not sure if you guys are about to begin a rebuild, but say you are.

Montreal wants Noah Dobson (been some smoke) and we need a C.. Bo Horvat

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

1st 25'
1st 26'
2nd 25'
2nd 26'
Logan Mailloux
Oliver Kapanen
Newhook ???

Interested?
one of the most HFboards posts to ever be posted on HFboards
 
flame away.

Not sure if you guys are about to begin a rebuild, but say you are.

Montreal wants Noah Dobson (been some smoke) and we need a C.. Bo Horvat

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

1st 25'
1st 26'
2nd 25'
2nd 26'
Logan Mailloux
Oliver Kapanen
Newhook ???

Interested?
Talk about burning it to the ground. Wow. I’m surprised Sorokin wasn’t included.

Yikes, even the most pessimistic person here wouldn’t trade both of them for a package comprised of futures.
 
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flame away.

Not sure if you guys are about to begin a rebuild, but say you are.

Montreal wants Noah Dobson (been some smoke) and we need a C.. Bo Horvat

Bo Horvat + Noah Dobson

1st 25'
1st 26'
2nd 25'
2nd 26'
Logan Mailloux
Oliver Kapanen
Newhook ???

Interested?
Throw in Turdeau's carcass and the rights to Sophie Marceau sweet talking to me in French and we'll think about it.
 
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