let's do an inventory of everything we've lost over the years to what we've gained... yeah....
missing the playoffs 7 years out of the past 9... JR really must be doing something right. Is there any other team that would hold onto their GM through that??
I guess if you set a goal at being a sub par southern team we have something to be proud of??
Please do that inventory. I'd be interested in seeing the results.
I don't see how that inventory proves anything, especially when nearly everything is taken out of context.
Is Semin back from Siberia?
I agree, it doesn't prove anything. Someone asked for an inventory so I posted what I could remember, but I didn't draw any conclusions from it.
Hard to make a complete list as there is fluctuation from year to year and players have come and gone, traded for one another, etc.... but I'll try. I'm sure I'll miss a few.
Off the top of my head, here are the more major (although some are debatable) players LOST (not resigned or traded) by Carolina in recent years that still had some decent value:
Justin Williams
Cory Stillman (albeit, he was up there in age and production was tailing off)
EriK Cole (Lost, Gained, Lost)
Ray Whitney
Matt Cullen (Lost, Gained, Lost)
Andrew Ladd
Dennis Seidenburg
Brandon Sutter
Bryan Allen
Jack Johnson (including him even though he wasn't an NHL player at the time since he brought Gleason below)
I am not including rentals (Recchi and Weight) who we pretty much knew were rentals when they were acquired, but BOTH of those were good moves by the Canes and fall into the "gained and lost" categories.
Here are the list of Key players on the Canes "GAINED" (TRADE, UFA, DRAFT) over that same timeframe (excluding players gained, then lost afterwards)
Joni Pitkanen
Tim Gleason
Jussi Jokinen
Tuomo Ruutu
Jordan Staal
Jeff Skinner
Justin Faulk
Jamie McBain
Jiri Tlusty
Alex Semin
Joe Corvo (Gained, Lost, Gained, Lost, Gained)
There are other minor decent pieces lost (Craig Adams for instance) and other minor, but decent pieces gained (Dwyer, Brent and Harrison for instance).
Now, there is also a pretty long list others that JR acquired for little or no cost with mostly poor results as well:
Guys like Scott Walker, Sergei Samsonov, Trevor Letowski, Ian White, Aaron Ward (v2), Andrew Alberts, Stephan Yelle, Jeff Hamilton, Tom Kostopolous, Patrick Eaves, Anthony Stewart, Alexi Ponikarovsky, Tomas Kaberle, Anton Babchuk, Josef Melichar, David Tanabe, Derek Joslin, Anson Carter.
Many of those were low risk trials and/or weren't expected to be key contributors to the team, but a few of them were.
As I said, I'm sure I missed a few. Make of it what you will.
Small correction for your inventory, Boom Boom - you first list "players LOST (not resigned or traded)" but a few players on that list *were* traded. Williams was traded to the Kings in the three-way trade that saw Cole come back to us from the Oilers. Sutter was traded to the Pens for Jordan Staal. Stillman was initially traded to the Sens along with Commodore for Eaves and Corvo. Ladd was traded for Ruutu. Cullen, depending on which time we lost him you look at, was traded to the Sens for Alexandre Picard.
Also to add a name to that list:
-Martin Gerber
Small correction for your inventory, Boom Boom - you first list "players LOST (not resigned or traded)" but a few players on that list *were* traded.
Sorry, poorly written on my part. What I meant was that these players were either not re-signed or they were traded.
I did forget about Gerber.
On third line center situation, Muller mentions Jokinen can play center and could be possibility. Also mentioned Welsh.
I really don't like how JR has been handling this Welsh situation. The way I look at it, there's three guys competing for that spot in camp, Welsh, Nash, and Brent, with Jokinen taking it by default if none of them step up. JR needs to stop putting expectations on this kid, he's got some size and some goal scoring ability but if he's not ready he's not ready.
This one jumps out at me:
Chip Alexander @ice_chip
Rutherford says 6-7 players who started season with Checkers could start season with Canes.
That's pretty common with JR though. He did that with Sutter as a rookie, he pretty much annointted Dalpe a spot a couple of year ago, etc..
This one jumps out at me:
Chip Alexander @ice_chip
Rutherford says 6-7 players who started season with Checkers could start season with Canes.