Roster Building XXXVI: Days After The Deadline

[cptjeff]

Friday, March 6, 3pm ET. Either nothing will happen or the entire league will melt down.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Friday, March 6, 3pm ET. Either nothing will happen or the entire league will melt down.

Article on ESPN today saying league execs are “frustrated” because it’s harder to trade this year due to:
1) no double retention
2) playoff salary rules
3) LTIR rules

Same rules for everyone folks.

NHL GMs frustrated by new salary cap rules at trade deadline

Some NHL executives and player agents told ESPN that they're frustrated by the impact that the new salary cap rules have had ahead of Friday's trade deadline.

www.espn.com

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

@Derailed75 In the last thread before it was locked, you said EP40 had only 1 really good season. I disagree. He's had a number of really good seasons.

28G, 66P in 71 GP as a 19 year old is a really good season, particularly as a rookie Aho had 24/49 at the same age. Svech had 24/61 as a 19 year old.
27G, 67P in 68 GP (Covid shortened season) is a really good season. It's almost PPG.
39G, 102P is an awesome season. No Cane (not Whaler) has ever had a season with that many points.
34G, 89P is a really good season. Aho is the only recent Cane to achieve 89 points.

I'm not debating that he's struggled the last 1.5 years, nor am I saying the Canes should or should not go after him, just disagree with your assessment.

 

[User13452]

Article on ESPN today saying league execs are “frustrated” because it’s harder to trade this year due to:
1) no double retention
2) playoff salary rules
3) LTIR rules

Same rules for everyone folks.

NHL GMs frustrated by new salary cap rules at trade deadline

Some NHL executives and player agents told ESPN that they're frustrated by the impact that the new salary cap rules have had ahead of Friday's trade deadline.

www.espn.com

Shouldn’t be hard for Carolina lots of space

 

[User13452]

Mccarron held out tonight for Nashville. Big physical right handed 4c

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Mccarron held out tonight for Nashville. Big physical right handed 4c

Traded to the Wild for a 2nd

 

[User13452]

Traded to the Wild for a 2nd

Ya just seen that. Crazy price imo

 

[Tryamw]

Friday, March 6, 3pm ET. Either nothing will happen or the entire league will melt down.

But will HF melt down?

 

[Blueline Bomber]

But will HF melt down?

Better question should be how many hours will HF be down?

 

[dogbazinho]

We shot our shot with a guy that didn't want to sign with us, a guy we delayed signing and lost, and a mid pairing D. Time to temper our expectations.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I think canes get trocheck

 

[cptjeff]

But will HF melt down?

Magic 8 Ball is returning a 504 error, I'll get back to you.

 

[Not Jim Cantore]

Back to the last thread re Nadeau vs Helenius.

Nadeau’s 19 year old season was his first pro season agains adults where for Helenius had already played an AHL season and over 1.5 Liiga seasons.

Development is not linear, but based on this and Nadeau’s confirmed production in his D+3 and the premium afforded to goal scorers. I’d give Nadeau slightly higher value

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Back to the last thread re Nadeau vs Helenius.

Nadeau’s 19 year old season was his first pro season agains adults where for Helenius had already played an AHL season and over 1.5 Liiga seasons.

Development is not linear, but based on this and Nadeau’s confirmed production in his D+3 and the premium afforded to goal scorers. I’d give Nadeau slightly higher value

To some extent. One of the things people have long commented on is that playing NCAA vs. CHL is that young players have to play against older, more mature players in the NCAA. Certainly not AHL age, but an 18 YO freshman is playing against a lot of guys 3-4 years older than him.

Still, I agree with your statement in bold. I wouldn't have commented if that was the statement in the post I responded to, but what I responded to said Nadeau's work "Easily surpasses" it.

I'd give him higher value simply because, as I said in my post, he took a next step and there's no guarantee Helenius will.

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

I think canes get trocheck

But Adam Gold already laughed at the thought and told everyone who was thinking it to shut up

 

[Chrispy]

But Adam Gold already laughed at the thought and told everyone who was thinking it to shut up

That's the reason @Finlandia WOAT thinks it will happen.

 

[BadgerCane58]

It’s going to happen again! The sabres will win the Thomas sweepstakes and the Canes will say they were right in there with them.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

In all seriousness, I think the Canes are having a staring contest with Vancouver, and no one has blinked yet. I speculate that Vancouver is possibly positioning to the media about how they will wait for the summer for a Pettersson trade because they know that the Canes would rather do the trade now.

 

[User13452]

In all seriousness, I think the Canes are having a staring contest with Vancouver, and no one has blinked yet.

I think they’re waiting for Nashville to put up the for sale sign for ROR

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I think they’re waiting for Nashville to put up the for sale sign for ROR

Pettersson's the higher-upside (but much higher-risk) play. To me, that feels more like Carolina's alley than ROR, who's the polar opposite of a distressed asset and is going to be incredibly expensive from an asset standpoint because his cap hit is so below market-value.

 

[Chrispy]

I agree Carolina is trying to get Vancouver to blink.

But I dont think they are going to have ROR as a backup plan. Or Trocheck given there are multiple bidders.

A backup plan is one most other teams cant fit and the trading team wont retain.

Like Kadri.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

It’s going to happen again! The sabres will win the Thomas sweepstakes and the Canes will say they were right in there with them.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I agree Carolina is trying to get Vancouver to blink.

But I dont think they are going to have ROR as a backup plan. Or Trocheck given there are multiple bidders.

A backup plan is one most other teams cant fit and the trading team wont retain.

Like Kadri.

If Montreal wants Kyrou as much as it's been speculated, the backup plan might be to get paid to take on Laine's full cap hit to free space for the Kyrou trade. Then they can keep working the phones with Vancouver as they spiral the drain, knowing that Laine's hit will expire on July 1st.

 

[User13452]

If Montreal wants Kyrou as much as it's been speculated, the backup plan might be to get paid to take on Laine's full cap hit to free space for the Kyrou trade. Then they can keep working the phones with Vancouver as they spiral the drain, knowing that Laine's hit will expire on July 1st.

St Louis could just take back Laine in that deal

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

St Louis could just take back Laine in that deal

That's true, but sending Laine to us would be a significant service to Laine in order to potentially rebuild value with a contending team. I know a lot of folks don't like my ideas; however, I could see Laine really working out with Hall or Ehlers at 5-on-5 and as a PP weapon.