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From what I understand, neither have asked to be traded, but neither one is happy with the other's presence, so a trade will eventually be necessary, regardless of whether they request one or not
Roster Building XXIV: Our Hearts Go Pitter Pattersson
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Neither has asked to be traded….but both probably have asked for the other to be traded.
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cptjeff
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There's always the folding chair at a team party option.
DaveG
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any way we can change Koko's number to 55 and convince them he's the new Keith Primeau?
robbieberns
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Between EP40 and Miller i’m much more confident that we can channel Miller’s temperament for the better and use it as a spark to push us forward than I am of getting EP40 to play as a 100 pt Selke convo every single year kind of guy like his contract demands. Even if both come with character issues I’d rather bring in a guy who blows hot and is known to inspire and raise the game of those around him at his best.
"Inspire".
Which is why he was run out of New York. And Tampa. And is now rumored to be getting pushed out of Vancouver.
I think this guy is a short-term pickup and an eventual problem in the locker room rubbing teammates the wrong way. That's bad because he has 5 years left on his deal after this season, and he's turning 32 this season.
DaveG
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yep, this is what I'm the most worried about with the guy. We've seen stuff like this go fine before, but we've also seen stuff like this completely blow up and be a major team chemistry issue before as well.
WreckingCrew
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We just give Brad Malone a PTO when we're ready to get rid of Miller
CandyCanes
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robbieberns
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Yeah, I mean, it’s a coin flip for sure. I only posture that in a vacuum where Carolina has already made a deal with Vancouver and i’m being asked to pick which player I’d rather us go for. At the end of the day i’m not exactly in love with either move but ultimately think the risk for Miller is a bit lower. Shame how slim the pickings are for good young 2Cs on reasonable contracts with good injury histories. Colorado really struck gold by having Byram available to flip for Mittelstadt and to have Adams there in Buffalo ready to make that deal.
Is it ok to not want to pay the price for either of them? Because that is where I'm at right now. Sure, I'd send them a pick and KK and see if it works, but I don't really want to pay the market rate for either of them with so many questions about both. I'd rather keep our powder dry and see if other players are available at a later point.
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It's a fair stance. Neither are guarantees and both have some red flags. But I don't think you're going to get a lot of situations where high end players are available and under contract long term without some type of red flag. I suppose perhaps you can acquire a rental and you hope it works out better to re-sign them than it did with Guentzel.
I'd guess if they want to acquire one of these level of players, they may have to bite the bullet and look past the red flags. You hope you end up with Eichel or O'Reilly or Tkachuk (didn't really have the red flags, just a big acquisition). But you could end up with a disaster like Evander Kane. Or you could just get someone that's pretty good but not a huge upgrade on what we have, like Timo Meier.
I like the way we've run the team and built the roster. I like that we are typically in on these guys. We'll see if we can ever land (and keep) one. But if we don't, there's more than one way to build a winning team. Even ways that haven't worked yet.
I think the risk with Miller is higher and I think the ceiling with Miller is lower.
I think Pettersson has a lot of potential in a lower stress market and has already shown the potential to be an elite 1C in this league. And that's the type of talent that doesn't come available very often.
Which is why I don't think Vancouver is really entertaining moving Pettersson. But you need to inquire in case they are.
Svechhammer
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I still think Meier would have been a much better fit here than he is in NJ. Him on that team is like a square peg in a round hole, at least for now.
Probably true, but the price for Pettersson will likely be a whole lot higher as a result. Miller has trade protection and has been rumored to be a problem is multiple places, so I am going to guess Vancouver is going to get something good, but nothing great for him.
Pettersson likely brings back much more and better pieces in a return as he is younger and has no trade protection.
Sigurd
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Seems like a really dumb idea to side with the 32 year old over the 26 year old in a locker room power struggle, imo. This doesn't seem like a Flyers situation where Richards and Carter were out partying the night before playoff games
Derailed75
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I gotta be honest Petterson is a really, really good player maybe even great but I don't think he is better than Aho. If you take out his one 100 point season they are neck in neck and no way Petterson is the defender Aho is.
I mean I understand he had that 100 point season and nothing is going to make that go away but its looking more and more like that season was an outlier, not the norm.
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He probably would have but there were a handful of articles and opinions put out at the time that Meier was never going to be as productive as he was going to any of the better teams because so many offensive chances were running through him in San Jose. He's still a good player, even on NJ, but he just wasn't likely to stay at that 40-45ish goal level he was pushing for that year in San Jose. Even so, there is still very much the old a adage of players that get you there and players that get you through (the playoffs). Meier may very well be invaluable to the Devils in runs in the playoffs.
I'd be pretty happy with two Aho's down the middle.
Derailed75
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I would be pretty happy with that too, but would Aho when a guy who isn't known to be the defensive wiz RBA insists on, that has almost the same stats, has not put forth the years to make this team better comes in making 2 million a year more than he does?
Both Pettersson and Miller are pie in the sky targets. I don't see either being traded at all. And if one is, would that not be a draft weekend trade? What's the incentive for Vancouver to trade a bonafide top line center for pennies on the dollar, and have to take dead cap back? Do the trade after the playoffs and they'll get better value. Or, better yet, just keep both guys.
I much prefer Ryan O'Reilly as he has a much nicer $4.5M caphit and it goes for 2 more years. Perfect term, perfect hit. Proven leader. Clutch scorer. Plays the body. It's a million times better fit than the Vancouver ideas, and would be cheaper to acquire.
An interesting pie-in-the-sky deal that will never happen but may worth speculating on is Owen Power out of Buffalo. You give it another year and if he doesn't start pacing for 50+ points, I could see him being easier to pry. He's for sure a risky acquisition but he has all kinds of talents and is only 22. He could be a building block on our D. I think others have questioned the effort there, but I've liked what I've seen from him when he plays the Canes. Again, there's like 30 reasons why this will never happen but I did see one Buffalo fan float trading him so that they could help keep Bowen Byram and some other guys.
I much prefer Ryan O'Reilly as he has a much nicer $4.5M caphit and it goes for 2 more years. Perfect term, perfect hit. Proven leader. Clutch scorer. Plays the body. It's a million times better fit than the Vancouver ideas, and would be cheaper to acquire.
An interesting pie-in-the-sky deal that will never happen but may worth speculating on is Owen Power out of Buffalo. You give it another year and if he doesn't start pacing for 50+ points, I could see him being easier to pry. He's for sure a risky acquisition but he has all kinds of talents and is only 22. He could be a building block on our D. I think others have questioned the effort there, but I've liked what I've seen from him when he plays the Canes. Again, there's like 30 reasons why this will never happen but I did see one Buffalo fan float trading him so that they could help keep Bowen Byram and some other guys.
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Most guys are fine with it, some guys aren't. I think Aho could handle it, but we'll only know if it happens. There are players on this and every team that are overpaid and guys typically handle it. Also, FWIW, Pettersson has a higher Selke finish in his career than Aho as far as the defensive side of things goes. I've never been a fan of the "you can't pay anyone else more than X player on the team" thing and I think Aho would likely handle it fine, especially if it helps push the team closer to its goal.
robbieberns
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Aho has played with Turbo and Jarvis, two defensively sound and solid wingers as well as playing in a system that’s much more defensively stable and defense oriented than Pettersson has.
cptjeff
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Aho is the son of a GM. He knows it's a business and that awkward contracts and overpays happen, and don't mean that you're a lesser player. Aho has, at every point, taken reasonable deals that are well under what he probably could have gotten if he pushed. I think he's pretty confident in his own abilities and doesn't look to the contract number to validate it. There are definitely players who do that (cough Marner cough). Aho ain't one of them.
Also, with the cap jumping, it's the perfect time to take on a contract that would otherwise be overpriced. And you're going to have a bunch of contracts in the future worth a lot more than we're used to seeing, and Aho's contract will not be the biggest on the team for long, whether by trade or free agent signing. Get used to the idea.
