Derailed75
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This is true. The question is does this make Aho's defensive numbers look better and his points lower and same with Petterson. Would he be better defensively in Raleigh but score less?
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One of the complicating factors is that the Canucks have told teams in those conversations that they don’t want to do a futures deal involving either player. The Canucks are in a competitive window. They would need an apples-for-apples transaction for it to make any sense. And they value each player very highly despite their struggles this season. That’s also been communicated to teams.
As for Pettersson, my teammate Chris Johnston reported on our TSN Insider Trading segment Tuesday evening that the Carolina Hurricanes are among the teams believed to have talked to the Canucks about Pettersson. That isn’t entirely surprising because those teams were in talks last season on the same player before Pettersson signed an extension with the Canucks.
Whether the Hurricanes decide to bring this conversation to the next level, time will tell. I would imagine part of the conversation within the Hurricanes front office is about what they think of Pettersson’s eight-year deal paying him $11.6 million a season. He’s in Year 1 of that deal.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6045370/2025/01/07/nhl-vatrano-pettersson-miller-matthews/
As for Pettersson, my teammate Chris Johnston reported on our TSN Insider Trading segment Tuesday evening that the Carolina Hurricanes are among the teams believed to have talked to the Canucks about Pettersson. That isn’t entirely surprising because those teams were in talks last season on the same player before Pettersson signed an extension with the Canucks.
Whether the Hurricanes decide to bring this conversation to the next level, time will tell. I would imagine part of the conversation within the Hurricanes front office is about what they think of Pettersson’s eight-year deal paying him $11.6 million a season. He’s in Year 1 of that deal.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6045370/2025/01/07/nhl-vatrano-pettersson-miller-matthews/
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bleedgreen
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This isn’t a good situation for us on the surface. Neither contact is one that we would’ve given imo, and just because Guentzel happened I don’t believe we’ve changed from team philosophies we’ve long established at this point. EP can be a great player but he’s not a leader imo, he’s a more skilled and less competitive version of Aho. At a significant price hike. I don’t see him as a compliment. Miller is much more likely the type of player we “need” but five more years past this one when he’s 31 now at 8 million? I know the cap will make things look better but…..I don’t know that I’d touch that. He’s at least a complement to Aho stylistically and other than not being a righty finally a good sequel to Tro. What we read here and elsewhere is that we want EP. I don’t see us winning much more with EP. Our defense has taken a step back and Nikishin won’t stop that slide by himself. He’s an Orlov replacement at this point, presuming he fits in well.
I’d be focusing on bringing back defense as our number one strength until we find the right forward(s) that are good fits.
I’d be focusing on bringing back defense as our number one strength until we find the right forward(s) that are good fits.
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Borsig
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I mean you could have had pesce. You needed to keep one and I will never stop saying that. Granted Aho is shit, svech is shit, necas is playing his best TT impression this year (hot then vaporware) and other than slavin? Our entire d ranges from shit to barely average.
We suck for a reason.
We suck for a reason.
bleedgreen
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You tend to be stronger on the dramatics than I am but I don’t disagree. The step back was obvious in the summer and it’s played out unsurprisingly. Teams are picking us apart with passes through the nuetral zone. We haven’t seen this many breakaway’s or partial breaks off broken coverage in a long time. Ironically it plays to Koochies strength as a poke checker since they often have their head down as they sprint in.
Chasing Jake and losing both D cut us pretty deep. I didn’t like the choice then or now.
Borsig
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You keep the good players that are loyal. Not the one who wouldnt sign with his career team in the first place. Pesce probably should have been the one we kept because even when Boom gets here and morrow is ready (smith being up instead of morrow is telling, innit?) you still need a DFD.
baconandbread
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I feel we could use one more physical defensive D-man that can skate. Ideally one that can move up and down the line up if we need to put out a shut down pair with Slavin. Obviously Nikishin is exactly what we need, but finding another one via trade in the meantime would be ideal.
AD Skinner
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Pesce signed a contract for 5.5 million dollars for the next six years. We were not going to give him that. No way. I wish he had stayed around but he’d have been a fool to leave that much money on the table if those were the offers he was getting
Borsig
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I have this sinking feeling that last year was our year..... and our window is entering that closing / closed phase
bleedgreen
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I agree we weren’t giving him the contract but I don’t see it as a bad contract. I know it’ll be unpopular but if you gave me the choice between the Slavin and Pesce contracts I’d be taking a hard look at Peesh. I don’t think either of these guys are going to age that well so I might take the one that ends three years earlier. Pesce looks healthier this year to boot, I think the extended time off helped him heal overall more than he has in a long time.
hblueridgegal
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I can't see TD allowing that given his investment in the team and the whole RE market surrounding it. However, I have trouble envisioning a quick rebound back to true contender status in one year. Seems like there would still be too many moving parts to try to fit together and gel. The blender will probably be busy again.
bleedgreen
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I never thought last year was our year, but I do feel we’re transitioning into another “window”. I don’t think the old one was ever going to win so I feel comfortable accepting the new one.
The old one had bad timing. Tro, Nino and Dougie had their contracts come up before Svech, Necas and Jarvis were developed. If those kids had been three years older when we had that crew I think we had a legitimate chance. Since those guys left it’s felt like we’ve been sliding sideways trying to extend that window when we needed to move forward to really win.
There’s always the chance this version once we build it further becomes better than that one.
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Sigurd
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"One would assume that it’s mostly playoff teams looking at Miller and Pettersson, and why would a playoff team want to unload a core piece in-season?"
The quote I bolded in your post, and the quote above right after LeBrun said that in the article, is reason to believe Carolina is legitimately one of the few serious trade partners to get EP.
"With the season going the way it has and the drama in the room involving the players, Canucks general manager Patrik Allvin is wise to at least see what the market is for each. It doesn’t mean either will be moved, but the mere fact we know for sure the Canucks are talking to teams on each player is certainly not nothing."
Exactly what I was thinking. It's not nothing even if neither gets traded in the end. The fact that they are actually still listening (as of that article's post date of yesterday, January the 7th) on trade offers for EP says something.
Regarding the people negative about getting EP, I get the trade cost is a concern, and his salary too. At the same time, what other 1C (on most teams) could we get as our 2C that's (1) actually a legit threat offensively, (2) is very respectable defensively, and (3) is still a young player (EP is 26)? Point is, there's certainly substantial pros to trading for him, and it isn't all cons.
There’s very few playoff teams in the league who can make a hockey deal right now and have the cap space to take on 11 million. The canes are one that can. You have aho and EP down the middle for the next 7 plus years
dogbazinho
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And we won't have to worry about mishandling a negotiation again. I think we should return to trading for players w/ term.
Sigurd
Slavin, our Lord and Saver (AKA Extra Goalie)
Yeah, this is something that's easy to overlook, but it's a very much worth mentioning with the Hurricanes history in recent years with players on expiring contracts.
However you feel about that history, trading for EP, who is already on a long contract (the 1st year of his extension) means the Hurricanes bypass all of that extension drama and suspense.
EP means Canes sending Necas+ in Canucks minds (what is Tulsky's thinking...would they take Orlov, KK + ??). Then, Canes are down 2 top 6 wingers.
With re: to spending big bucks, wouldn't Canes be better off waiting until the offseason and targeting Marner, Bennett (would be my choice versus EP) or Rantanen.
btw: Rutherford will be 76 in February......I don't doubt that the message that the Canucks want to win now applies.
With re: to spending big bucks, wouldn't Canes be better off waiting until the offseason and targeting Marner, Bennett (would be my choice versus EP) or Rantanen.
btw: Rutherford will be 76 in February......I don't doubt that the message that the Canucks want to win now applies.
True. We can instead trade for an already mishandled contract.
Sigurd
Slavin, our Lord and Saver (AKA Extra Goalie)
I'm missing where there's two top 6 wingers in your post that we'd trade.
KK is a center man, and Necas is the winger. It'd be an upgrade center wise based on that roster package (obviously), and we'd be down a top 6 winger.
Also, personally, I'm even more skeptical we'll sign a big name free agent than I am of us getting a big name player in a trade. So, while it sounds great of us only having to spend the money for a Marner/Rantanen/Bennett tier player instead of also having to pay a big price in a trade package, I'm not optimistic. I'd love to be wrong though.
WreckingCrew
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Plus Rants/Marner will be a couple million more $$$ expensive on their contracts
My point is that even with Necas we are short a top winger (ie Guentzel filled it LY).
That one can be filled In the offseason though. Probably not with an elite wing but with Aho / Pettersson the need for an elite wing would be reduced.
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Yeah but
Lol so that's been pulled out his ass
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