Roster Building XXIV: Our Hearts Go Pitter Pattersson

[cptjeff]

Carry on.

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[CandyCanes]

My.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Hey. Hey!

…I appreciate the title pun.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes shock the rest of the league and acquire Barzal. Barzal's cap hit is a bit lower than Pettersson's, is coming from a worse team, and (unlike Pettersson) is a right-handed center. He's also a speed demon and would maintain the overall team speed even if Necas goes the other way.

 

[HisIceness]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes shock the rest of the league and acquire Barzal. Barzal's cap hit is a bit lower than Pettersson's, is coming from a worse team, and (unlike Pettersson) is a right-handed center. He's also a speed demon and would maintain the overall team speed even if Necas goes the other way.

I actually Barzal would be a better fit here.

 

[Wolfpuck]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes shock the rest of the league and acquire Barzal. Barzal's cap hit is a bit lower than Pettersson's, is coming from a worse team, and (unlike Pettersson) is a right-handed center. He's also a speed demon and would maintain the overall team speed even if Necas goes the other way.

That would be such a baller move to take him from a division rival.

 

[Borsig]

trading nachos for Barzal would be stupid.

nachos is one of two people on our team that can score. Nachos, Jarvy and Aho should be untouchable.

svech? well..... I'd like to keep him but.

 

[User13452]

trading nachos for Barzal would be stupid.

nachos is one of two people on our team that can score. Nachos, Jarvy and Aho should be untouchable.

svech? well..... I'd like to keep him but.

Necas is far from untouchable he’s yet to even hit 30 goals in a season

 

[A Star is Burns]

I'd be interested to see what would happen to Barzal away from the Islanders. But when I watch him play center, I see a guy playing center that isn't that great at it. Probably why he's spent a decent amount of time on the wing since Horvat arrived.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That would be such a baller move to take him from a division rival.

If the Isles decide to rebuild, as they probably should, it wouldn't matter if Barzal went to a division rival. The Canes might want to make a three-way trade, though, in order to get Necas dealt to a contender instead of the Isles.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'd be interested to see what would happen to Barzal away from the Islanders. But when I watch him play center, I see a guy playing center that isn't that great at it. Probably why he's spent a decent amount of time on the wing since Horvat arrived.

Barzal and Horvat had great chemistry last year. Part of the issue with Barzal is that he's inconsistent on the dot, but he usually plays 1C regardless and they pay him like a low-end 1C. He would be fantastic as a 1B guy in a 1A/1B center setup.

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean we were already talking about Nelson from the Isles, Barzal would be welcome, too.

I'd be fine with either

 

[User13452]

I mean we were already talking about Nelson from the Isles, Barzal would be welcome, too.

I'd be fine with either

Nelson hasn’t scored since the end of November not sure he’s the guy they need

 

[Tryamw]

Carry on.

Drops the load.

 

[hblueridgegal]

 

[chaz4hockey]

Before the holidays, I spent some time looking at the NHL edge stats for the Canes.

My particular focus was on goaltending (Pytor posted earlier), Aho & Svetch trying to see if there was a technical/physical issue impacting results this year.

Here is Svetch (Aho to come at a later date):

Looking at '24-'25 compared to 21-22 he demonstrates a significant decline in shot speed.

SHOT SPEED:
He went from a top shot speed of 94.21 (95 percentile) to this year's 86.02 (63 percentile). His average shot speed was 60.17 (90 percentile) in '21-'22 and that has dropped to 58.69 (71 percentile). Another look is the brackets between 90-100 and 80-90 mph (he has never been over 100mph per stats). In '21-'22, he cumulatively took 89 shots greater than 80 mph with 82 of them 80-90 which was delivered at almost a league best 99 percentile (90+ was 7 at 95 percentile). He is getting high danger shots, with all his goals via that path and is scoring at a 14.6% rate for that category

Unfortunately, using a full 82 game schedule for this year, he is on target to deliver only 27 shots between 80-90 mph and none over 90 mph. Clearly with this type of shot speed degradation it's easy to see how his 5x5 and PP would be impacted.

SKATING SPEED:
His top speed is down from 23.43 to 22.64 falling from 95 percentile to this year's 79 percentile (it's easy to forget how damn fast he was versus the League in his early years).

His exemplary 22mph+ bursts are down significantly from '21-'22 and is on tract for 5 versus '21-'22's 13. He still is demonstrating a good 20-22 mph but has fallen to 81 percentile versus 21-22's 90 percentile. Nonetheless, he is putting in the effort with his overall skating distance slated to mirror '21-'22. However, the slip in top end speed is perhaps another factor in why he is struggling.

As I noted in a previous post, Sketch's decline in his physical skating and shooting skills leading to more challenges scoring goals may be having a deleterious impact on his mental health.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Before the holidays, I spent some time looking at the NHL edge stats for the Canes.

My particular focus was on goaltending (Pytor posted earlier), Aho & Svetch trying to see if there was a technical/physical issue impacting results this year.

Here is Svetch (Aho to come at a later date):
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Looking at '24-'25 compared to 21-22 he demonstrates a significant decline in shot speed.

SHOT SPEED:
He went from a top shot speed of 94.21 (95 percentile) to this year's 86.02 (63 percentile). His average shot speed was 60.17 (90 percentile) in '21-'22 and that has dropped to 58.69 (71 percentile). Another look is the brackets between 90-100 and 80-90 mph (he has never been over 100mph per stats). In '21-'22, he cumulatively took 89 shots greater than 80 mph with 82 of them 80-90 which was delivered at almost a league best 99 percentile (90+ was 7 at 95 percentile). He is getting high danger shots, with all his goals via that path and is scoring at a 14.6% rate for that category

Unfortunately, using a full 82 game schedule for this year, he is on target to deliver only 27 shots between 80-90 mph and none over 90 mph. Clearly with this type of shot speed degradation it's easy to see how his 5x5 and PP would be impacted.

SKATING SPEED:
His top speed is down from 23.43 to 22.64 falling from 95 percentile to this year's 79 percentile (it's easy to forget how damn fast he was versus the League in his early years).

His exemplary 22mph+ bursts are down significantly from '21-'22 and is on tract for 5 versus '21-'22's 13. He still is demonstrating a good 20-22 mph but has fallen to 81 percentile versus 21-22's 90 percentile. Nonetheless, he is putting in the effort with his overall skating distance slated to mirror '21-'22. However, the slip in top end speed is perhaps another factor in why he is struggling.

As I noted in a previous post, Sketch's decline in his physical skating and shooting skills leading to more challenges scoring goals may be having a deleterious impact on his mental health.

He just doesn't seem like he's having fun. Either it's because past injury is still holding him back, or mentally he's checked out? When he's on hes exactly what the Canes need. He's got to be better and I know he knows that.

 

[AD Skinner]

even Tripp was kinda laying into him on the broadcast

 

[Stickpucker]

He just doesn't seem like he's having fun. Either it's because past injury is still holding him back, or mentally he's checked out? When he's on hes exactly what the Canes need. He's got to be better and I know he knows that.

He needs some buddies to go ride scooters with.

 

[chaz4hockey]

He just doesn't seem like he's having fun. Either it's because past injury is still holding him back, or mentally he's checked out? When he's on hes exactly what the Canes need. He's got to be better and I know he knows that.

I think it’s injury related and the decline in physical skills that is driving poor results and ultimately a “not fun” attitude. Also, he probably has received “stick” for taking dumb penalties from the staff too.

If his physical skills don’t become elite again he will have to adjust similar to what Kreider did to score goals.

Btw: all teams see this data and more and I suspect Svetch’s trade value would not be as high as years ago.

 

[Unsustainable]

Necas, KK for Miller, Boeser

Who says no

 

[AD Skinner]

Vancouver

 

[CandyCanes]

I think it’s injury related and the decline in physical skills that is driving poor results and ultimately a “not fun” attitude. Also, he probably has received “stick” for taking dumb penalties from the staff too.

If his physical skills don’t become elite again he will have to adjust similar to what Kreider did to score goals.

Btw: all teams see this data and more and I suspect Svetch’s trade value would not be as high as years ago.

To add, his brother is no longer playing in North America. Seemed like the two of them have a very close bond.

I’m sure it’s a combination of all those things.

 

[Sigurd]

It wouldn't surprise me if the Canes shock the rest of the league and acquire Barzal. Barzal's cap hit is a bit lower than Pettersson's, is coming from a worse team, and (unlike Pettersson) is a right-handed center. He's also a speed demon and would maintain the overall team speed even if Necas goes the other way.

While I'm skeptical we'll acquire Barzal even though I think he'd be a pretty good 2C for us (although he's having a down year with a long term injury apparently), I'm even more skeptical Vancouver is actually serious with putting Pettersson on the trading block. It'd probably take an incredible offer for them to consider trading EP IMO. That's my gut feeling.

I think they might trade Miller, but Pettersson more than likely stays in Vancouver.

 

[hblueridgegal]

WHAT THE CANUCK IS GOING ON IN VANCOUVER?

He rattles on about about the trade pieces from the teams noted below. Says neither Miller or Petey have asked to be moved.

What about Brock?

As Allvin and Canucks President Jim Rutherford evaluate their options, there are no guarantees one of these star centres (let alone both) is traded during the season. Or at all.

Teams like the Buffalo Sabres, Detroit Red Wings, Minnesota Wild and New York Rangers will continue to be linked to either/both players – and there are other teams poking around, obviously – but the Canucks feel they have the base of a team capable of competing for a championship and nobody wants to derail that. Vancouver will almost certainly give up the best current player in any trade, but the return will have to align with their objective of chasing a Stanley Cup, even in package form.