Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVII - 5 weeks until TDL

[leetch99]

Well if you look at the Rangers forward cabinet since the 2017 rebuild, the story is rather bleak.

Andersson- Bust
Howden- Bust
Chytil- Disappointing development
Kravtsov- Yo-yoing back between Russia and NA, multiple trade requests
Barron- Can't stick in the NHL over Greg McKegg right now
Kakko- Disappointing start
Lafreniere- Disappointing start
Gauthier-Bust
Pajuniemi- meh

Then you look at our defensive acquisitions

Lindgren- Huge win
Miller- Promising start, sure NHLer
Hajek- Bust
Rykov-Bust
Schneider- Promising start
Robertson- Even
Jones- Promising start
Lundkvist- Disappointing start
Skinner-Even
Reunanen- Even

We've been 'hitting' a lot more on our defensive prospects. More of them have held or even exceeded expectations, whereas pretty much every young forward has been worse than we had hoped for.

It would be interesting to see a similar chart on the rest of the for starters Metro division clubs and their picks.....I tend to think every club has around the same amount of hit and miss players . Maybe I'm wrong...

 

[Shesterkybomb]

With all due respect, I’m not gonna take JT Miller advice from someone who says Krapsoft is the best hockey player in the world not playing in the NHL.

Who said that?

 

[Lgrsean]

It is Igor. Igor and the PP. That is what both the eye test and the underlying numbers say. The Rangers are consistently outshot and outplayed 5v5. If they had an even slightly lesser goalie they wouldn't be on place for 112 points and they'd be a playoff bubble team at best.

If you take the best player off most playoff teams they’d be on the bubble. Our best player happens to be a vezina favorite goalie, but that doesn’t take away from what fox, bread, mika, Kreider, strome, and the rest of our guys are doing.

 

[bbny]

And if this team didn't have to rely on Igor to win every game they'd be a much better team.

But he’s possibly their best player. Name me a team who is as good if you take away their best player?

 

[bleedblue94]

But he’s possibly their best player. Name me a team who is as good if you take away their best player?

Can someone remind me what year henke shit the bed in the playoffs when there was a roster that had the equivalent to panarin, zib, (today's version of) kreider, fox, trouba?

 

[Daves a mess]

Who said that?

That's an easy one. Real easy.

Real, real easy.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Can someone interpret this? Chiarot to the NYR or Florida within next 24-46 hours?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If you take the best player off most playoff teams they’d be on the bubble. Our best player happens to be a vezina favorite goalie, but that doesn’t take away from what fox, bread, mika, Kreider, strome, and the rest of our guys are doing.

It does when those guys don't win games for the goaltender. This is should be incredibly evident at this point in the season based on their play on the ice and the underlying numbers that all confirm this.

 

[Taluss]

Can someone interpret this? Chiarot to the NYR or Florida within next 24-46 hours?

My French is rough but pretty sure you got the concept

 

[TheBloodyNine]

But he’s possibly their best player. Name me a team who is as good if you take away their best player?

It's a team game, you don't win championships because of one player. It boggles my mind that anyone who watched Henrik's career is still struggling with this concept.

But to answer your question - Pittsburgh and Avs this season have both been great while missing top players.

 

[Vitto79]

If we're trading for Miller, are we trading for him as a C or W?

RW this year , C next year

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

RW this year , C next year

I think him and Panarin would pretty nice. That lefty shot is a nice bonus.

 

[mas0764]

YOU can go thru it all you want but that has zero effect on what Drury wants to do my friend

and spare me the cap crunch. Teams find a way to get who they want. They’ll figure it out if that’s what they want to do

I have no doubt Drury will do what he wants within the limits of the cap, but he's not getting a full priced JT Miller and keeping Strome, that's fantasy land.

Even with Miller at 50%, you're not getting any bottom 6 upgrades either. And you're running the risk of losing Kakko.

 

[mas0764]

A ppg c wouldn’t improve 5v5?

I don't think JT Miller makes that much of a difference for this team's overall 5v5 struggles, no.

It's kind of a team wide thing at the moment.

 

[mas0764]

Id rather get a player from Vegas rather than a pick. They have lots of guys who can help us.

Depends on the player but I lean first round pick if it's on the table.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Can someone interpret this? Chiarot to the NYR or Florida within next 24-46 hours?

im pretty sure Chiarot is on IR and literally cant be traded right now

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Can someone remind me what year henke shit the bed in the playoffs when there was a roster that had the equivalent to panarin, zib, (today's version of) kreider, fox, trouba?

Why does a team that has those players still rely on their goaltender to win everything like the Henrik teams did? If these players were that good Igor should have to play out of his mind every game in order for them to win.

 

[mas0764]

It's 4 forwards total and a goalie. Strome and Kakko plus 2 more. And that isn't taking into account the likely trade of Nemeth. Nemeth's replacement is likely Jones, which is a 1.6 cap savings. Backup goalie can be plugged by that amount alone. Maybe less. So, basically, 10.5 for 4 forwards. It is tight, but the Rangers have a number of young players that can be resigned to fill out those spots for cheap such as Gettinger and Blais. So it really then just becomes how much does Strome get and how much does Kakko get?

If he doesn't turn his game around, Kakko wont get much. Nothing over 3. And if it is, its 3.5.

So you can absolutely trade Chytil and upgrade the 3rd line center spot and still have the cap space to resign Strome and Kakko. Or you could acquire Lehkonen and play Goodrow at center with Blais on the right.

Then after next year, 3.5 million in dead space is gone and there will probably be another 1 million increase. 83.5 upper limit. The Rangers cap situation is tight, but it is not the worst I have seen. Hell, it might not even be the worst cap situation for a team in New York City. Haha

If you clear up Nemeth you still need a defenseman. And why are we trading Chytil? So we have no forwards under 27 besides Laf and Kakko? Smart roster management.

 

[mas0764]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

Ice Breakers: Golden Knights expressed interest in Marc-Andre Fleury reunion

"First, Fleury is not alone on a list of potential targets. Per sources, the Golden Knights have also expressed interest in New York Rangers backup Alexandar Georgiev, who we previously reported let it be known that Georgiev feels he’s ready for a bigger opportunity elsewhere. There are likely others."

Seravalli and Gregor both said on the DFO podcast a while back they would trade a 1st for Geo. Seems like there's a lot of people in hockey circles who think Georgiev is worth more than I do. Encouraging?

Nope, this is one of those "fantasy," trades because what this board thinks of a player is clearly what the rest of the league does as well.

Hence Nils will never be a centerpiece for a young center, or something.

 

[mas0764]

It's only been 50 games. Compared to a decade+ of Hank.

We need to be better down the middle. There's no getting away from it. Chytil at 3C is disastrous IMO, with Zibs and Strome ahead of him. We need to improve our middle6 Centers.

If Strome is staying, we need a Selke type 3C. Not Chytil.

Ideally we get two middle6 2-way centers... preferably with speed

The team will come together... I feel like we should be better 5v5 but I fully expect them to improve in this 2nd half

Chytil should be moved to wing. What about a Holloway type 3C?

 

[McRanger92]

Nope, this is one of those "fantasy," trades because what this board thinks of a player is clearly what the rest of the league does as well.

Hence Nils will never be a centerpiece for a young center, or something.

Vegas doesnt even have their 1st round pick this year and Seravelli/Gregor were clearly speculating. If the Rangers were offered a first for Georgiev, he'd be long gone.

 

[Thirty One]

im pretty sure Chiarot is on IR and literally cant be traded right now

That's an EA Sports thing, not a real life thing.

 

[Thirty One]

Can someone interpret this? Chiarot to the NYR or Florida within next 24-46 hours?

Yes, but he calls it a hunch and I have no idea who he is.

 

[MrAlmost]

If you clear up Nemeth you still need a defenseman. And why are we trading Chytil? So we have no forwards under 27 besides Laf and Kakko? Smart roster management.

What? Jones replaces Nemeth. And that would mean that all of Laf, Kakko, Jones, Lindgren, Miller, Fox, Schneider, Gettinger, Barron and maybe the outside chance of Othmann or Pajuniemi are under 27. Pretty f***ing good roster management actually.

 

[jay from jersey]

It's a team game, you don't win championships because of one player. It boggles my mind that anyone who watched Henrik's career is still struggling with this concept.

But to answer your question - Pittsburgh and Avs this season have both been great while missing top players.

this team had its share of injuries. To shesty included. They still have found a way to win and keep a consistent pace at the top of the division... that has to count for something.
It’s not just all luck and PP.
Having good special teams is paramount going into the playoffs.
As is goaltending, and 100 other things that have to go right to wind up winning the cup.
Odds are they are a 1-2 round win, but that’s not automatic either.
You can’t say for absolute certainty, that they can’t contend for a cup.
Zibby is starting to heat up, they’ve still been winning with panarin/Zib playing under their “usual” standards despite the point production.
Also we have no clue what Impact the adds, if any Drury makes on the overall situation, or if kakko/LaF step it up, or Schneider/Jones actually bringing a good 3rd pair D, etc.
It can’t be absolutes 1 way or the other.
If this team was just goaltending/PP, it would have broke down by now.
It’s timely scoring, never quit attitude, all for one defend your teammates, etc it’s a lot of other things mixed with some luck, a good PP/PK and a fantastic goalie.
This is a team that has beat good teams, been exposed other nights. No team comes out and plays perfect hockey all 82 games. It doesn’t happen in the rigors of the season.
But this team doesn’t have a lot of losing streaks or games where they are blown out.
They stop the bleeding however they can. They’ve won some games they should have lost, and also lost some they should have won.
But at the end of the day, they are still in the mix and will likely to continue to be going into the postseason.