Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXVI - It’s Miller Time…K-A

[Fitzy]

Why do you think we’re not willing to consider this?

Lundkvist needs to learn North American hockey to make it here.

He isn't going to get any better or learn anything more with another year in Sweden.

Talk of Lundkvist being dealt has as much to do with Zac Jones as it does Braden Schneider.

Jones has had the better season so far. NYR won't be keeping 3 defensemen under 6' 190 lbs any time soon.

 

[smoneil]

I would say it's a bit hard considering your plan involves bringing over a guy from Russia who demanded a trade and doesn't want to play here.

And why are we trading Chytil for picks when we're going to be buyers? Like him, or not, trading him for picks just makes the team worse.

There's also the fact that Chytil scored as much in 5 games as a RW as Kravtsov did in 20. And they are basically the same age.

I will be shocked if Kravtsov has a better NHL career than Chytil when its all said and done (and that's if, with his attitude, Krav even has an NHL career).

 

[NYRFANMANI]

As of now, Jones-Schneider would be the best bottom D pair.

Really hope, we offload Georgie and Nemeth.

 

[Avery16]

Chiarot saved Drury from himself

 

[Avery16]

How would Chytil look on a third line with Zacha and Namestnikov?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Chiarot saved Drury from himself

The Rangers were never paying a 1st round pick for a third pairing rental anyway. They were mentioned because they are the Rangers and that’s it.

 

[MrAlmost]

I don't know about you guys, and he is not without his faults since no one is, but it has been a long time since I genuinely liked our coach, both as a person and a coach. I also don't feel like we get out coached often, if at all, and if I had guess, our too many men penalties are down. Haha

 

[jay from jersey]

Gallant was singing his praises yesterday. Maybe we do get Schneider-Jones.

We should. It’s obviously the best 3rd pair situation we can ask for atm.
Maybe Gallant is starting to come around... Barron next please....

 

[jay from jersey]

Lundkvist needs to learn North American hockey to make it here.

He isn't going to get any better or learn anything more with another year in Sweden.

Talk of Lundkvist being dealt has as much to do with Zac Jones as it does Braden Schneider.

Jones has had the better season so far. NYR won't be keeping 3 defensemen under 6' 190 lbs any time soon.

this. Nhl teams really don’t want to shuffle players back and fourth to Europe.
If they come from overseas, they want the here learning the NA game whether it be in the nhl or on the AHL affiliate..
It’s fine if you want to leave the kid in Europe/Russia for a year or 2 after being drafted and keep him in his comfort zone to let him develop more.
But once you bring him over, you want him to be committed to learning the game/culture here.
You want to keep a closer eye on him and want him to work with your coaches, trainers, etc learning the system your big club plays.
Sending him back to Sweden now wouldn’t be smart and I guarantee would have a negative affect of his value.

 

[jay from jersey]

All the scuttlebutt seems to indicate he's being moved for a rental before this deadline, either because the team has soured on him or because they are afraid to get less for him before he "loses all his value."

He's under contract for two seasons. We have a gaping opening at 3LD as well.

Stash him for a bit and move him into the Nemeth slot.

Trouba and possibly Lindgren won't be here forever. There's no reason to send him out for a rental.

I’ve been calling/saying for this for a long time.
For nils to be a long term piece here, he’ll have to start playing LD in hopes of displaces 1 of Miller or Lindgren over the next year and a half.
If he doesn’t do that, he’s almost certainly going to be dealt. It would be a tough road anyway with the depth we have on LD as well.
Nils should be a big part of an offseason package for a strome replacement.
It almost certainly won’t be a 1 for 1 type of trade.
It will have to likely be for an older 25-26 ish yr old center that maybe asks out or a team can’t sign.
I can’t see a team that would deal a Lundell/Zergas/Johnston type without them playing for them first......

Zergas has shown to be special, Lundell has played Well enough that fans don’t want to move him for Chycrun, and Johnston/ Turcotte will likely have similar impacts.
The most likely situation is nils will be 1/3 of a package for a player that won’t resign somewhere, asks for a trade, needs a new contract, etc
Similar to what you wrote above as certain players having asterisks/extenuating circumstances.

 

[Avery16]

lol, we gave a three year deal with trade protection to a D we’re now “unsure about”.

this bullshit is Smith all over again. At least the contract isn’t $4.5m and we didn’t trade picks to acquire his signing rights.

 

[gravey9]

If the Rangers want to draft anymore Euro first round picks and plan for them to play in the AHL -- they need to strongly consider moving their affiliate to Brooklyn. Or something better than these places like Hartford or Binghamton. I really think one of the biggest issues for Nils and Vitaly and Lias hasn't been the actual management, but being in a foreign country and being stuck for long stretches in a city like Hartford. It's pretty lonely for these 19-22 year old kids. Especially those from Europe. Moving the team to Brooklyn is likely way more expensive. But could have a positive impact on the overall system. I think, because the training facility is in Tarrytown, it's likely they prefer keeping the team in HFD as it's much closer than Brooklyn.

 

[bl02]

Yeah Nemeth should have been take one or two years or no dice but it is what it is

 

[jay from jersey]

How would Chytil look on a third line with Zacha and Namestnikov?

Way more interested to see how he’d look at a RW with strome/panarin.
If he continues to play well there and produce that’s a huge win. Give Barron the reigns at 3C.
If they don’t like how he plays, or deem he’s not ready there, trading for a 3C at the TDL is much cheaper then a miller/Hertl..
Leave goodrow on 3rd LW with Barron, and If chytil is playing well with strome/bread, drop kakko to 3RW and run Goodrow-Barron-Kakko

kreider-Zibby-LaF
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Goodrow-Barron-Kakko
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
Ex Gauthier

run that fwd group until the TDL and evaluate what’s needed. Gauthier plays with Barron/Goodrow until kakko returns.
Absolutely nothing to lose, but has a lot of potential gains if this line up clicks

 

[Fitzy]

If the Rangers want to draft anymore Euro first round picks and plan for them to play in the AHL -- they need to strongly consider moving their affiliate to Brooklyn. Or something better than these places like Hartford or Binghamton. I really think one of the biggest issues for Nils and Vitaly and Lias hasn't been the actual management, but being in a foreign country and being stuck for long stretches in a city like Hartford. It's pretty lonely for these 19-22 year old kids. Especially those from Europe. Moving the team to Brooklyn is likely way more expensive. But could have a positive impact on the overall system. I think, because the training facility is in Tarrytown, it's likely they prefer keeping the team in HFD as it's much closer than Brooklyn.

If you can't find friends or things to do in a city of around 200k people, the problem is you IMO.

Most of the native New Yorkers I know love to talk up how big the city is and how much there is to do but rarely stray from their go-to local bars and 2 block radius around their apartment and workplace.

 

[Peltz]

If the Rangers want to draft anymore Euro first round picks and plan for them to play in the AHL -- they need to strongly consider moving their affiliate to Brooklyn. Or something better than these places like Hartford or Binghamton. I really think one of the biggest issues for Nils and Vitaly and Lias hasn't been the actual management, but being in a foreign country and being stuck for long stretches in a city like Hartford. It's pretty lonely for these 19-22 year old kids. Especially those from Europe. Moving the team to Brooklyn is likely way more expensive. But could have a positive impact on the overall system. I think, because the training facility is in Tarrytown, it's likely they prefer keeping the team in HFD as it's much closer than Brooklyn.

It's not a bad idea.

 

[RangersFan1994]

If the Rangers want to draft anymore Euro first round picks and plan for them to play in the AHL -- they need to strongly consider moving their affiliate to Brooklyn. Or something better than these places like Hartford or Binghamton. I really think one of the biggest issues for Nils and Vitaly and Lias hasn't been the actual management, but being in a foreign country and being stuck for long stretches in a city like Hartford. It's pretty lonely for these 19-22 year old kids. Especially those from Europe. Moving the team to Brooklyn is likely way more expensive. But could have a positive impact on the overall system. I think, because the training facility is in Tarrytown, it's likely they prefer keeping the team in HFD as it's much closer than Brooklyn.

Chytil had no issue with Hartford and or complained publicly. They need to reevaluate the character of their future prospects

 

[Peltz]

Most of the native New Yorkers I know love to talk up how big the city is and how much there is to do but rarely stray from their go-to local bars and 2 block radius around their apartment and workplace.

20 year olds from Europe vs native New Yorkers

Hmmm... do those sound like the same demographic to you? Also, this is not my experience at all. Most people hop around town all the time. Especially in their 20s.

 

[RangerBoy]

Arizona has 5 2nd round picks in this draft. Their own pick. Vancouver. Philadelphia. Islanders. Sharks. Those picks should be high to mid 2nd round picks. They have too many picks. Vitaly Kravtsov can play for them next season. Maybe he plays for them this season. Those teams aren't making the playoffs. Arizona is one of the teams always mentioned in connection with Kravtsov. If the Rangers haven't found a quality deal for Kravtsov before the trading deadline, Arizona can have the player for the 2nd highest second round pick. The Rangers will probably trade one of their 2nd round picks in a trade for some lousy rental. They can't help themselves. The Rangers can use the 2nd round pick acquired from Arizona to move up into the latter half of the 1st round or maybe a player they like with a 1st round grade drops into the top of the 2nd round. John Lilley and Chris Morehouse can pick their own player.

Kravtsov will have fun playing in a college building at Arizona State University with a 3,200 seat capacity. The Coyotes will be there for 3 seasons. They have an option for a 4th season.

TB traded Tony Deangelo to Phoenix for a 2nd(#37-Hajek). Carolina traded Jake Bean to Columbus for a 2nd(#44). The Rangers traded Lias Andersson for a late 2nd(#60). Former 1st round picks traded for a 2nd round pick. Arizona has 5 2nd round picks.

 

[Peltz]

Way more interested to see how he’d look at a RW with strome/panarin.
If he continues to play well there and produce that’s a huge win. Give Barron the reigns at 3C.
If they don’t like how he plays, or deem he’s not ready there, trading for a 3C at the TDL is much cheaper then a miller/Hertl..
Leave goodrow on 3rd LW with Barron, and If chytil is playing well with strome/bread, drop kakko to 3RW and run Goodrow-Barron-Kakko

kreider-Zibby-LaF
Panarin-Strome-Chytil
Goodrow-Barron-Kakko
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves
Ex Gauthier

run that fwd group until the TDL and evaluate what’s needed. Gauthier plays with Barron/Goodrow until kakko returns.
Absolutely nothing to lose, but has a lot of potential gains if this line up clicks

Not sure why you'd want Chytil over Kakko on line 2 like this (if Kakko were healthy obviously). Kakko has been the better player this season.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Arizona has 5 2nd round picks in this draft. Their own pick. Vancouver. Philadelphia. Islanders. Sharks. Those picks should be high to mid 2nd round picks. They have too many picks. Vitaly Kravtsov can play for them next season. Maybe he plays for them this season. Those teams aren't making the playoffs. Arizona is one of the teams always mentioned in connection with Kravtsov. If the Rangers haven't found a quality deal for Kravtsov before the trading deadline, Arizona can have the player for the 2nd highest second round pick. The Rangers will probably trade one of their 2nd round picks in a trade for some lousy rental. They can't help themselves. The Rangers can use the 2nd round pick acquired from Arizona to move up into the latter half of the 1st round or maybe a player they like with a 1st round grade drops into the top of the 2nd round. John Lilley and Chris Morehouse can pick their own player.

Kravtsov will have fun playing in a college building at Arizona State University with a 3,200 seat capacity. The Coyotes will be there for 3 seasons. They have an option for a 4th season.

TB traded Tony Deangelo to Phoenix for a 2nd(#37-Hajek). Carolina traded Jake Bean to Columbus for a 2nd(#44). The Rangers traded Lias Andersson for a late 2nd(#60). Former 1st round picks traded for a 2nd round pick. Arizona has 5 2nd round picks.

Nobody should be bitching if we use a 2nd rounder for a rental this year.

 

[Idlerlee]

If the Rangers want to draft anymore Euro first round picks and plan for them to play in the AHL -- they need to strongly consider moving their affiliate to Brooklyn. Or something better than these places like Hartford or Binghamton. I really think one of the biggest issues for Nils and Vitaly and Lias hasn't been the actual management, but being in a foreign country and being stuck for long stretches in a city like Hartford. It's pretty lonely for these 19-22 year old kids. Especially those from Europe. Moving the team to Brooklyn is likely way more expensive. But could have a positive impact on the overall system. I think, because the training facility is in Tarrytown, it's likely they prefer keeping the team in HFD as it's much closer than Brooklyn.

Lias played for HV71, a city in Sweden with significantly fewer residents than Hartford
Nils is from Luleå, a city in Sweden with significantly fewer residents than Hartford
Vitaly is from Vladivostok, a city in Russia with a population of around 500k people, a bit bit bigger than Hartford but not a world metropol.

Most Eurpean towns and cities are less than 100k people, the million people cities are outliers, not the norm.

Hartford is just fine for these kids. And if its not, they can look up this nifty link, maybe take a tour of the Mark Twain museum, 25 Best Things to Do in Hartford, Connecticut

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Chiarot saved Drury from himself

Lol funny thing is, could we see an LTIR trade with Chariot coming back for the playoffs.

But i truly hope not and this puts his rumors to us to bed

 

[Idlerlee]

lol, we gave a three year deal with trade protection to a D we’re now “unsure about”.

this bullshit is Smith all over again. At least the contract isn’t $4.5m and we didn’t trade picks to acquire his signing rights.

Nemeth must love the vote of confidence

 

[jay from jersey]

Not sure why you'd want Chytil over Kakko on line 2 like this (if Kakko were healthy obviously). Kakko has been the better player this season.

chytil has produced in his limited time with bread and strome. If you can keep that going that’s a good thing.
In the grand scheme of things, whether kakko/chytil are either 2/3RW it doesn’t matter. Whoever is playing well and producing, they get the top 6 ice time, the other one drops in the line up.
When kakko returns, they might want to move on from chytil altogether, and get a guy like Lehkonen for 3RW for the playoff push, but that’s the line up I’d run until the TDL.
Try to find some solutions in house first before making a bunch of trades.