Speculation: Roster Building Thread XXXIII: 33rd thread twds the line of dead

[RGY]

You can reach me at (212) 582-2975

Wait say it aint soooo...youre gona be working the next 2 days??? Not acceptable!!

 

[mas0764]

I am not sure why them making the playoffs is such a great sign of success, ~half the league makes them.

If their goal is just going back to the anything can happen thing, and if/when it does not, they are back to the retooling thing, I'm going to feel as if I've seen similar approaches in the past. Rangers are going to be the Rangers I guess.

Right on. Building a playoff team is probably already accomplished.

I want a super power.

Some people are so invested in debunking that that's a possibility and I do not understand why.

It's very real. It just requires sacrificing some non-long term pieces. Kreider is one.

There are other ways around that, maybe. I think Kreider makes the most sense to be moved and I don't see a long term role here for him inside the top 6 if we get another stud like Holtz or Raymond, but.... if you want to trade Skjei, Buch, and Strome instead, that might accomplish the same objectives I'm trying for.

 

[Alluckks]

Hello?

Yes? Is there a man who looks like he knows trade rumors there?

Yes, hockey.

He would have a face like he is exasperated from answering questions but also confused.

Great, thank you, please put him on. Also, please buy him his next drink on me.

 

[Edge]

you're a cheap date

When you get $100 worth of booze for 60 percent of the prize (with a generous tip), you take it.

 

[Edge]

LOL - I googled that number...I work directly across the street. Catch me at the downstairs bar.

It was my father's spot for years and years and years.

They named a damn dish after him for a while.

I've spent more time in there that I ever would've wanted.

 

[True Blue]

I never once said there aren’t deficiencies. Basically, I’ve said for months now, the biggest need is a legitimate 1LD. But, I think that’s more likely coming in a trade than from another 1st round pick. I saw d it at the time , but the truth is, signing changed the timeline. I expect this team to make the playoffs next year/. And, that could mean some of the prospects people have fallen in love could be moved. The clock already started.

Exactly. Keane? Moved. Trouba's partner? Be prepared that Lundqvist is a part of that deal.

People seem to forget that one of the reasons to accumulate assets isn't to only watch and see them skate and become Rangers. It's to gain ammo to make moves that shore up other weaknesses. Which is why draft picks are the perfect currency.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I didn't say we were.



Kreider probably doesn't retain his level of play for 5 years. Panarin and Zbad, I'd hope they are, but I'm not sure. I am aiming for a group of forwards to build around with Kakko, Kravtsov and Chytil, so as to also insulate that WHEN Panarin and Zbad drop off, we have plug-ins ready to go.

Hence why I've said I think we need 1-2 more top-6 types. And that I'm willing to wait one more year to begin our playoff runs. 3 years is not some long stretch.... its very comparable to what Chicago, LA, Pittsburgh, and the Bruins all did. That's what I want to model after.



And an excellent job they did at doing so. Let's get another pick in that range for this year then so we can take another shot at that kind of player.



Livid? No. But odds are odds. We have better odds the lower we get, that's just reality.

"If there was a way to keep them AND get a player of Newhook's caliber,"

You didn't say that?

I'm sure everyone here would love another 2 top 6 forwards, it's just not realistic. You're not gonna have a top 6 of all 23 year olds, it's just no happening. You're trying to construct a team under these perfect scenarios, that's not the real world. And who's to say they won't have two first round picks this year? But if this draft is as amazing as you're making it out be, how many teams are going to trade out of the top 10? Yes, I get the Penguins and Blackhawks are the model by which all teams should be constructed but again, it's not realistic for the Rangers because they've already hit rock bottom. How many years do you want to suck in hopes of landing the first or second pick. They got lucky last year, you think it's gonna happen again?

And the Bruins have one Stanley cup since 1972 and that was 9 years ago and one of their best players was drafted 25th.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Right on. Building a playoff team is probably already accomplished.

I want a super power.

Some people are so invested in debunking that that's a possibility and I do not understand why.

It's very real. It just requires sacrificing some non-long term pieces. Kreider is one.

There are other ways around that, maybe. I think Kreider makes the most sense to be moved and I don't see a long term role here for him inside the top 6 if we get another stud like Holtz or Raymond, but.... if you want to trade Skjei, Buch, and Strome instead, that might accomplish the same objectives I'm trying for.

I doubt we get a guy like Holtz/Raymond (or Sutuzle, Byfeld, Lafraneire or Rossi or Drysdale)

 

[True Blue]

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Nah....Edge would have the taste to avoid that tourist trap.

 

[GAGLine]

I am not sure why them making the playoffs is such a great sign of success, ~half the league makes them.

If their goal is just going back to the anything can happen thing, and if/when it does not, they are back to the retooling thing, I'm going to feel as if I've seen similar approaches in the past. Rangers are going to be the Rangers I guess.

And yet some teams go a decade or more without making the playoffs. The Rangers missed 7 straight years from 97-04. I was/am all in on the rebuild, but if it's going to mean we miss the playoffs for 5+ years, I'm going to call it a failure. We are trending in the right direction, though. We are in a part of the rebuild where making the playoffs has to become an expectation next season. We have a pretty deep farm system--hopefully we can add some more quality pieces to it this year--but we aren't going to build this team entirely through the draft and simply wait for the kids to mature. We signed Panarin. We traded for and signed Trouba. There are going to be other moves to improve the team and get us where we want to go. Given our cap situation, that probably means trades more than free agent signings. Either way, it's time to start putting the pieces together. We've collected a bunch of quality assets, now we have to use those assets to shape the team into a contender.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

This is from the vetted Bruins poster, he seems to be hinting this is what Boston is offering for Palmieri



Take that for what you will

 

[Alluckks]

Nah....Edge would have the taste to avoid that tourist trap.

He literally just posted that phone number and said that that is where to reach him

 

[Ola]

yes I believe it has been reported that the Avs were interested in Kreider at the draft until they realized Newhook was gonna be there at 16. I doubt their feelings changed since then.

I believe it was Buch not Kreider.

 

[Fireonk]

This is from the vetted Bruins poster, he seems to be hinting this is what Boston is offering for Palmeiri



Take that for what you will

That seems like a terrible deal for the Devils in my opinion.

 

[True Blue]

He literally just posted that phone number and said that that is where to reach him

That's it. I am not putting him on Ignore.

 

[Alluckks]

That seems like a terrible deal for the Devils in my opinion.

Agreed

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You people are losing your minds and all the Rangers have done today is announce their lineup for the game tonight. Good lord. Why is everyone freaking out about the rebuild being over?

 

[Avery16]

This is from the vetted Bruins poster, he seems to be hinting this is what Boston is offering for Palmieri



Take that for what you will

I *highly* doubt a legit source would post a trade offer on Twitter. If this person is vetted, this calls into question the reliability of the vetting process.

 

[mas0764]

"If there was a way to keep them AND get a player of Newhook's caliber,"

You didn't say that?

I didn't say we were gonna trade for one.

I think it's its still an objective for us to try to acquire one of the best 6-7 forwards in this draft. I would place them on par with a Newhook-caliber prospect.

I'm sure everyone here would love another 2 top 6 forwards, it's just not realistic.

No, it IS realistic. I don't know why you keep insisting it's not.

We have the assets and the opportunity to make it happen.

Maybe a straight trade for Newhook isn't realistic... but there are players out there, draftable players, if nothing else, that we need to be aggressive in chasing. It's very realistic, but it just probably requires finding ways to liquidate either a player like Kreider, or players like Buch and Skjei, etc.

You're not gonna have a top 6 of all 23 year olds, it's just no happening. You're trying to construct a team under these perfect scenarios, that's not the real world.

Yeah, you keep saying that, but there's no reason that it's not feasible if you are willing to trade from a surplus of something you have to obtain it. But it might mean losing something you'd otherwise want to keep.... like Kreider.

How many years do you want to suck in hopes of landing the first or second pick. They got lucky last year, you think it's gonna happen again?

You don't need the first or second pick to get a top-line or top-6 caliber forward. But a top 10 pick is extremely helpful to that end.

And I'd say, at least one more year (this one). After that, it's all systems go, I'd say.

And the Bruins have one Stanley cup since 1972 and that was 9 years ago and one of their best players was drafted 25th.

The Bruins have been to 3 Cup Finals though. They have had decade-long staying power and with a couple breaks they could have more than 1 Cup.

But yeah, the Bruins have taken some later-in-the-first draft luck. We can go for luck... or, we can sacrifice a little more of the "now," and end up with a higher draft pick where not so much luck is needed.

 

[Thirty One]

You people are losing your minds and all the Rangers have done today is announce their lineup for the game tonight. Good lord. Why is everyone freaking out about the rebuild being over?

Because it's in our nature.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I *highly* doubt a legit source would post a trade offer on Twitter. If this person is vetted, this calls into question the reliability of the vetting process.

Again, I really don't think we need you to be the source police for our board lol

 

[Alluckks]

You people are losing your minds and all the Rangers have done today is announce their lineup for the game tonight. Good lord. Why is everyone freaking out about the rebuild being over?

Boston trading away their 1st indicates to some that they are out of the running for Kreider, and that it screwed leverage for us elsewhere.

However, it is common knowledge the Rangers prefer a high prospect rather than a pick as the headliner. Boston can still obtain Kreider. Also, there are more teams than just Colorado asking about Kreider.

 

[rangersfansince08]

That seems like a terrible deal for the Devils in my opinion.

If Coleman returns Foote + a 1st Palemeri returns AT LEAST that.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Boston trading away their 1st indicates to some that they are out of the running for Kreider, and that it screwed leverage for us elsewhere.

However, it is common knowledge the Rangers prefer a high prospect rather than a pick as the headliner. Boston can still obtain Kreider. Also, there are more teams than just Colorado asking about Kreider.

If there's no first rounder involved then the prospect needs to Be Studnicka and I doubt Boston does that.

 

[Ghost of jas]

You're a liar!

You said multiple times how this team is perfect and should be challenging for a Cup in a few weeks.

Don't you dare deny it!

That was you I was talking to? I thought I was yelling at cats.