Speculation: Roster building thread XXIII: Heading into doldrum days and All Star break

[Edge]

A lot of people would be willing to Re-Sign guys if they’re willing to take millions less.

Zucc, McDonagh, and Hayes might still be if we could sign them on our terms instead of fair market value.

The reality is that for each of these guys, their next contract after the Rangers was the money maker. In that sense, Kreider is no different.

While I certainly think a lot of people would at least consider Kreider at a discount, I have a hard time believing it will happen. I believe there’s going to be too much interest, and too many dollars on the table, to go that route.

Maybe if there’s no Panarin and Trouba signings, and maybe if there was ongoing conversations, but I don’t think that’s happened.

I think once the Rangers went the route they did this summer, Kreider’s camp probably determined that it was going to go for maximum value — which is a fair and understandable approach.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I don't know and I don't even know if Gorton honestly would trade him just like that. It would be the obvious choice but he's done a lot for this franchise and he's still a fan favourite. So I don't know how far Gorton would be willing to go. Delicate affair. But I've always said that they have to have talks with Lundqvist and Shesterkin to solve this issue. Trading Georgiev doesn't make sense and even if they wanted to do that they still couldn't expect to get a good enough offer for him since there's no market for goalies. They need to have a different plan and if there's a surprisingly good offer for Georgiev on the table they can still consider it.

I’d rather not trade Georgiev. Both he an Shesterkin should be the goalies IMO. This is a young Richter/ Vanbiesbrouck tandem. IMO, Lundqvist likes the Ny celebrity life and he has chosen not to let it go. He’s flexing that NTC to no end despite the glaring evidence right in front of him

Lundqvist will forever be a great Ranger but I’m not into this whole sympathy thing and delicate (blank). Reason being, let’s remember, NOBODY did more for their team in ALL of sports than Wayne Gretzky and he was traded. Granted, they did him a favor due to his wife and LA but the fact is if #99 can get traded, then anybody can.

that’s how I see it.

 

[Hinterland]

I’d rather not trade Georgiev. Both he an Shesterkin should be the goalies IMO. This is a young Richter/ Vanbiesbrouck tandem. IMO, Lundqvist likes the Ny celebrity life and he has chosen not to let it go. He’s flexing that NTC to no end despite the glaring evidence right in front of him

Lundqvist will forever be a great Ranger but I’m not into this whole sympathy thing and delicate (blank). Reason being, let’s remember, NOBODY did more for their team in ALL of sports than Wayne Gretzky and he was traded. Granted, they did him a favor due to his wife and LA but the fact is if #99 can get traded, then anybody can.

that’s how I see it.

I agree with all of this but I'm no diehard Rangers fan from New York, just a hockey fan from Switzerland.

Some fans will be upset should Gorton try to run Lundqvist out of town...no matter how he tries to do that...

I still think they should talk. If they just keep on scratching him to piss him off there's gonna be bad blood and hurt feelings. Those mysterious flu bugs Lundqvist apparently had could lead into this direction though. Maybe some early hints that they want him out.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Some fans will be upset should Gorton try to run Lundqvist out of town...no matter in what way.

well, we just went through this with the football Giants Eli Manning. Fans were uptight and overly emotional and suddenly got over it when his replacement was in. Lundqvist will be no different b/c the fans cheer for the team!!!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You start talking Robertson and my ears perk up.

I can't wait for both Matthew and Nick to make the team so I can hear Sam say every game how "They're not related, Joe"

 

[egelband]

i don’t think they are a match either. The Carolina’s, Tampa and Colorado are cheap in trades IMO. We need a contender in Detroit, or a Chicago or Los Angeles to trade with. Unfortunately, besides Boston and maybe Toronto, I see many holding their chips and likely sinking with them.

I agree with your theory but I'd put Toronto into the bargain shoppers category and colorado into the possibly-ready-to-splash-out category.

 

[egelband]

The advantage the Rangers have with Buchnevich is that he can be moved anywhere in the league. No no trades, no control concerns. I think he is marketable and depending on where Kreider nets out, could be the logical guy to move.

I like the way you’re thinking.

 

[NYRangers0723]

well, we just went through this with the football Giants Eli Manning. Fans were uptight and overly emotional and suddenly got over it when his replacement was in. Lundqvist will be no different b/c the fans cheer for the team!!!

Exactly. Look I respect what Hank has done for us but at the same time he must know that his time as the guy is over. It’s great that he loves NY but he has one last chance to chase a championship. Does he really want us to have to get rid of a a good young goalie just to accommodate him? He has one year left so it’s not like he would be stuck somewhere for a while

 

[egelband]

People said the same exact thing about losing Zucc and Hayes.

I never felt that way about those guys, as far as I can remember
Or at least I digested it really quick, like Chinese food.
Again, fine if they sell high on CK but I think that It may take a little longer to digest, like Thanksgiving dinner and turkey sandwiches the next morning.

 

[Avery16]

I’d rather not trade Georgiev. Both he an Shesterkin should be the goalies IMO. This is a young Richter/ Vanbiesbrouck tandem. IMO, Lundqvist likes the Ny celebrity life and he has chosen not to let it go. He’s flexing that NTC to no end despite the glaring evidence right in front of him

Lundqvist will forever be a great Ranger but I’m not into this whole sympathy thing and delicate (blank). Reason being, let’s remember, NOBODY did more for their team in ALL of sports than Wayne Gretzky and he was traded. Granted, they did him a favor due to his wife and LA but the fact is if #99 can get traded, then anybody can.

that’s how I see it.

Just as a reminder, we lost Beezer for nothing. Georgiev is an RFA after this season. Shesty the offseason after that. People here are complaining about having one elite starting goaltender's cap hit on the books. Just wait until we have two and they're each only playing 40 games/season.

This is the same logic as from those who don't want to give up *any* of our three top-4 RD, while we're piecing together forward lines 2-4 from scraps. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

 

[egelband]

If Gorton doesn’t think kapanen is enough for Georgiev then the rangers have no interest in actually moving Georgiev

Kapanen seems like a nice target. He’s sort of like Fast but with a bit more of a complete offensive game. And fairly young. Is that about right?

 

[egelband]

CK has earned it. Zucc earned his 5X6 contract, Hayes earned his 7X7 contract.

After two successful seasons Nylander inked a 6/45 contract. Players want to get paid. I don’t blame CK for wanting what he’s worked for. I just don’t think we’re the team that should reward him to the contract that’ll bite us in the ass in a few years.

I think the Rangers would (or, I would, haha) give CK the Zucc contract that the Rangers wouldn’t give Zucc. If that makes sense. He being a rung above Zucc in that estimation.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Just as a reminder, we lost Beezer for nothing. Georgiev is an RFA after this season. Shesty the offseason after that. People here are complaining about having one elite starting goaltender's cap hit on the books. Just wait until we have two and they're each only playing 40 games/season.

This is the same logic as from those who don't want to give up *any* of our three top-4 RD, while we're piecing together forward lines 2-4 from scraps. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

yeah, but Johnny V was 30 years old. Both of these goalies are young like Richter was.

 

[Avery16]

I think the Rangers would (or, I would, haha) give CK the Zucc contract that the Rangers wouldn’t give Zucc. If that makes sense. He being a rung above Zucc in that estimation.

Zuccarello outproduces Kreider almost every season

 

[NYSPORTS]

I agree with your theory but I'd put Toronto into the bargain shoppers category and colorado into the possibly-ready-to-splash-out category.

I sure hope so. Sakic has the team and I would think would make a move to ensure they make a run.

 

[egelband]

not sure how often or ever are rumored trade offers confirmed. Dreger and Mirtle discussing it today.

like I said If that’s not even enough in Jeff Gortons eyes then we’re really not trying to trade Georgiev

Yeah. I don’t think there’s ever a ‘confirmed’ offer unless it’s maybe learned after-the-fact. But these are in-the-know guys making and sharing educated guesses. Assuming they’re not mouthpiece’ing for either team I think this is really good interesting info.

 

[egelband]

I feel like I like them on the same roster.

Kapenen on the third line, Fast on the fourth. Actual ****ing depth.

(That last line isn't directed at you, it's more of a plea to the concept of roster building.)

That’s the thing that has to be underlined. Kapanen is probably a third liner on a good team. Georgiev - I think many would agree - is a legit nhl starting goalie.
When I hear the Toronto side saying G is a backup I just give up. But maybe the TML front office is more creative than that... we’ll see.

 

[Tawnos]

If Gretzky played at a time when there was such a thing as a NTC, he most likely would NOT have been dealt. So saying "even Gretzky was traded" means absolutely nothing.

Also, Gretzky being dealt is pretty universally looked upon as how not to treat your star player who might be on his way out.

 

[egelband]

Zuccarello outproduces Kreider almost every season

You can have him. I’ll take Kreider

 

[egelband]

He could be throwing this out there to warm up the Toronto crowd a bit. Judging by HFboards, even their AHL veterans are too good to trade for a ‘backup goalie’.

 

[egelband]

Or as Buch replacement if we want to keep Fast.

I think VK is the Buch replacement.

 

[NYSPORTS]

If Gretzky played at a time when there was such a thing as a NTC, he most likely would NOT have been dealt. So saying "even Gretzky was traded" means absolutely nothing.

Also, Gretzky being dealt is pretty universally looked upon as how not to treat your star player who might be on his way out.

he was traded b/c he requested to be traded b/c of his wife. Point is, if #99 can be traded, anybody can.

 

[Avery16]

he was traded b/c he requested to be traded b/c of his wife. Point is, if #99 can be traded, anybody can.

But can Marc Staal be traded

 

[NYSPORTS]

But can Marc Staal be traded

lol - unlike grapes turning to fine wine our Staal(ed) defenseman isn’t turning into Bobby Orr

 

[egelband]

Other teams exist besides Toronto. Krieder + Georgiev + Lias to Colorado gets us what?

I’d hold Lias until he raises his value. Even if he doesn’t he’ll be no less valuable next year and the rangers don’t need to rush here.