Speculation: Roster Building Thread XLVI: Dog Days Pending

[NYRFAN218]

I think this is directed more at the Hawks.

Not sure what exactly they mean by teams can't comply. The Blackhawks absolutely can comply. They have NMC on 1 G, 3 D, and 3 F which is within the 1 G 3 D and 7 (believe it's 7 or 8) F that you're allowed to protect. Unless they mean teams that refuse to comply or if it's something related to the above tweet about some connection to cap and salary.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Let's be real, even if Girardi can be exposed, no expansion team is going to take him haha

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Not sure what exactly they mean by teams can't comply. The Blackhawks absolutely can comply. They have NMC on 1 G, 3 D, and 3 F which is within the 1 G 3 D and 7 (believe it's 7 or 8) F that you're allowed to protect. Unless they mean teams that refuse to comply or if it's something related to the above tweet about some connection to cap and salary.

One of the tweets earlier alluded to the fact that players with NMC's might not even be part of the players that have to be protected, they might just be completely not part of the draft at all. That way, if you have a lot of players on NMC's, you can essentially protect your whole roster. The Hawks have 5 NMC's, they can protect basically their whole roster, and not really have to expose anyone.

Teams could even find loopholes around the rule. If NMC's don't even have to be among the protected players, a team like the Rangers could re-sign Yandle and give him a NMC for the season of the expansion draft, so he doesn't even have to be protected. I'm not sure if its allowed, but couldn't a team negotiate a NMC into the contract of all their current RFA's for the year of the expansion draft?

 

[NYRFAN218]

Let's be real, even if Girardi can be exposed, no expansion team is going to take him haha

Not so sure about that. Say there's only 1 expansion team and say there's 20-23 picks. Remember, a team can only have 1 player picked off its roster. That limits it at the end to only 10 or so teams to pick from for a player. There's also the cap and salary element. Team has to reach the cap floor plus Girardi's actual contract is front loaded salary wise so they don't have to pay out as much towards the end.

I think a team could see Girardi as a veteran player with a lot of leadership who has won before which could be good for a startup team along with the other factors.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Not so sure about that. Say there's only 1 expansion team and say there's 20-23 picks. Remember, a team can only have 1 player picked off its roster. That limits it at the end to only 10 or so teams to pick from for a player. There's also the cap and salary element. Team has to reach the cap floor plus Girardi's actual contract is front loaded salary wise so they don't have to pay out as much towards the end.

I think a team could see Girardi as a veteran player with a lot of leadership who has won before which could be good for a startup team along with the other factors.

I guess. Personally, if I am the owner of the Las Vegas team, I bring on a full staff for the analytics department, and a GM and coach that is going to work with them. Then from there you formulate which guys may be available, and who to pick. If you have to pick guys to reach the cap floor, theres probably dozens of other guys I'd take before Girardi

Wouldn't touch Girardi with a 10 foot pole if I was them, leadership or not

Also a stagnant cap is not good news for the Rangers

 

[RangerBoy]

One of the tweets earlier alluded to the fact that players with NMC's might not even be part of the players that have to be protected, they might just be completely not part of the draft at all. That way, if you have a lot of players on NMC's, you can essentially protect your whole roster. The Hawks have 5 NMC's, they can protect basically their whole roster, and not really have to expose anyone.

Teams could even find loopholes around the rule. If NMC's don't even have to be among the protected players, a team like the Rangers could re-sign Yandle and give him a NMC for the season of the expansion draft, so he doesn't even have to be protected. I'm not sure if its allowed, but couldn't a team negotiate a NMC into the contract of all their current RFA's for the year of the expansion draft?

The NMC players count against the players needing to be protected.

 

[RangerBoy]

There is still some element linking the cap to the players exposed in the expansion draft according to the tweet by Tom Gulitti. The NHL has run expansion draft models and they feel the team will be a good team so good players will be exposed.

 

[RangerBoy]

AV spoke to the French media at a charity golf tournament in Quebec today. He confirmed everything Brooks has reported.

"There are no untouchables in our training, confirmed Vigneault. Looking at the opportunity to bring new blood, new energy within our group. "

Several veterans, including Rick Nash and Dan Girardi, have disappointed this season. But because of the huge contract, they will surely be very difficult to exchange. "This is what a player exchange. As we all know, in the era of salary cap, it is very difficult to conduct transactions. There has not been much this year. "

In over 28 years, the Rangers had the highest average age in the NHL this season. Many believe that it is time to make way for young people. leading hopes, however, are few within the organization since the Rangers had no choice first round since 2012.

"We have sacrificed a lot for our future, in recent years, during the trading period. We tried. We have some good young players, but there is no doubt that we must bring more to our organization. "

Again this year, the Rangers have no choice of 1st or 2nd round draft pick. However, it is not excluded that the general manager Jeff Gorton attempting a big shot. "It is not easy, there is a lot of competition for choice and players. We did the best we can. "

http://translate.google.com/transla...t-1.3386702?localLinksEnabled=false&sandbox=1

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/lnh/lnh-pr...n-vigneault-1.3386702?localLinksEnabled=false

The Rangers are keeping G. The Rangers can retain up to 50% to trade Nash.

 

[Ori]

Let's be real, even if Girardi can be exposed, no expansion team is going to take him haha

He might be better when he is healthy though - he still have good physical skills.
Anyway, it doesn`t matter much if we like it or not - he can`t be moved at the moment.
So he will play for Rangers next season.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The NMC players count against the players needing to be protected.

This tweet by Lebrun would seem to indicate otherwise. Check that final sentence.

 

[Avery16]

This tweet by Lebrun would seem to indicate otherwise. Check that final sentence.

I see how you're reading that, but if they cant be exposed- wouldn't it mean that they have to be protected by a team? Or else the distinction is meaningless. If they were truly "immune" (poor choice of words on his part, if so) then it wouldn't matter that they couldnt be exposed.

 

[SA16]

That doesn't say either way and that final sentence is not necessarily Daly's wording. At some point they will come out and clearly see if a player with a NMC needs to be protected or if he just completely does not count with regards to the expansion draft.

 

[NickyFotiu]

While watching the cup I'm wondering do we need a all star level center. I can not remember the last time a team won the cup without an all star at center.

 

[LORDE]

While watching the cup I'm wondering do we need a all star level center. I can not remember the last time a team won the cup without an all star at center.

I hate to be debbie downer... but we need that, and a whole lot more.

 

[TheTakedown]

If Luke Schenn is seriously being looked at as a main piece for Barrie, the Rangers should be offering up Klein. Both Klein and Staal are much better hockey players than Luke Schenn.

I'd absolutely do Klein and a prospect for Barrie no problem. Hey maybe they'll take glass too

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

This tweet by Lebrun would seem to indicate otherwise. Check that final sentence.

It could be read that immune means they are protected due to their NMC so they are automatically protected.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Do we know if its two NHL seasons before players have to be protected? So if there's an expansion draft for 17-18, Skjei, Buch, Lindberg, Hrivik, McIlrath would all be protected?

Will the NHL make a minimum number of players that need to be exposed? Because if you have the right situation, and we might, we might be able to protect essentially the whole team.

If its 7 forwards. Stepan, Kreids, Miller, Brass, Zucc, Hayes, Fast. Buch, Lindberg, Hrivik should all be protected. Glass is a UFA. Maybe Jensen gets left unprotected? I can't think of anyone else.

If its 3 defenseman. Staal should be immune to the draft. Girardi might be. McDonagh, Girardi, Klein is the three, and if Girardi is immune, it becomes two. If Yandle somehow comes back, I'd assume he comes back with a NMC for 2017-18. It would probably mean the Rangers don't have to protect him, and the Rangers would probably be fine adding a NMC for that season since its highly unlikely they'd want to trade him after that season.

If its 1 goalie, Hank should be immune, so that leaves Raanta to protect.

I don't think we'd be the only team with this situation. There probably are a few other teams with this situation. Maybe the NHL makes a minimum number of players on your roster that have to be left unprotected?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It could be read that immune means they are protected due to their NMC so they are automatically protected.

Maybe.

 

[TheTakedown]

That 25% rule is so stupid.

Hope it's gone.

Fantastic. That's a dumb rule

 

[NickyFotiu]

I hate to be debbie downer... but we need that, and a whole lot more.

I realize our fans are down on our team now but we are not as terrible as it feels.

We may have the goalie. We may have the the allstar dman but we don't have the all star center.

 

[TheTakedown]

Do we know if its two NHL seasons before players have to be protected? So if there's an expansion draft for 17-18, Skjei, Buch, Lindberg, Hrivik, McIlrath would all be protected?

Will the NHL make a minimum number of players that need to be exposed? Because if you have the right situation, and we might, we might be able to protect essentially the whole team.

If its 7 forwards. Stepan, Kreids, Miller, Brass, Zucc, Hayes, Fast. Buch, Lindberg, Hrivik should all be protected. Glass is a UFA. Maybe Jensen gets left unprotected? I can't think of anyone else.

If its 3 defenseman. Staal should be immune to the draft. Girardi might be. McDonagh, Girardi, Klein is the three, and if Girardi is immune, it becomes two. If Yandle somehow comes back, I'd assume he comes back with a NMC for 2017-18. It would probably mean the Rangers don't have to protect him, and the Rangers would probably be fine adding a NMC for that season since its highly unlikely they'd want to trade him after that season.

If its 1 goalie, Hank should be immune, so that leaves Raanta to protect.

I don't think we'd be the only team with this situation. There probably are a few other teams with this situation. Maybe the NHL makes a minimum number of players on your roster that have to be left unprotected?

But this sort of setup allows a team to protect more than the 10 skaters + 1 goalie allowed -- it actually ends up creating a loophole itself to protect additional players.

I think NMCs take up one of the 10 protection slots available

 

[NYR Viper]

The team needs more than a top end center. They need to reallocate the money from Girardi, Staal, Nash and Boyle and put it towards players who can help carry the play consistently. The issue this team is going to have also, is replacing the young cheap pieces that are now off of their ELC's that every successful team has.

So their are multiple issues. Both are going to be difficult to fix quickly.

 

[darko]

Let's be real, even if Girardi can be exposed, no expansion team is going to take him haha

2 words - cap floor.

 

[NYR Viper]

So many teams, successful teams, have shied away from trading away the farm at the deadline. They do their shopping in the offseason. Pittsburgh brought in Kessel. Bonino. Got Hagelin in a hockey trade. SJ got Burns in a trade years ago. Patience.

This idea that teams need to sell of first and seconds in order to go deep is fictional. If your team has that big of a hole where you feel you need a player like that, you didn't do a good job building the team in the offseason. Knee jerk reactions are expensive.

If high picks are involved, the team needs to receive long term assets. They don't need to be picks and prospects, but they need to be pieces that help get the organization where they want to be both now and in 5 years. That takes vision. Is this organization capable of that?

 

[wafflepadsave]

I am all for moving Kleiner for the right price; he certainly has value around the league given his play, handedness and cap hit.

As far as McI - I agree he has more to learn and hopefully still improve his footwork (he will never be fast or that agile but he can probably be better or at least take better angles with players who have speed coming down the outside). Ideally, he is a 3rd pairing guy but given some normal growth and improvement; I think he can survive with Yandle on the 2nd pairing. They ere very good in limited time together.

Hopefully management has him taking skating lessons all summer!