Idlerlee
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What exactly is a 1st liner in your book? If Zucc isnt a 1st liner then this team has litterlay 0 1st line players.
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What exactly is a 1st liner in your book? If Zucc isnt a 1st liner then this team has litterlay 0 1st line players.
Essentially we are doomed
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UAGoalieGuy
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Don't tell that to the GMs we are trying to get a kings randsom from.
Although Zucc was 10th in scoring for RW and a healthy Nash is a first line player.
Brassard was 23rd among centers and Stepan was 33rd while missing 10 games. It could be argued that all 4 are first line players when looking at production.
Rangers lack an elite first line player.
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offdacrossbar
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more than anything, this is the single factor that most effects our ability to win games.
the defensive zone coverage was a horror show many nights and the special teams killed us, but this lack of top flight offensive players is a disadvantage bigtime. the pp sucks because there are no finishers. the pk sucks because we lack speed and we have our best pk guys playing top line minutes already.
weve got guys playing way above where they should be because we dont really have a true first line.
kreider. hes got 3rd line hands and head.
jtmiller. 2nd line winger
khayes. 3rd line.
zucc. 2nd line setup winger
brass. 2c
step. 2c
nash. best suited for a 2nd/3rd line role at this point.
fast. not top 6 material.
stalberg. great 3rd liner.
theres a bunch of forwards who would be fine 6-9 on every team but we lack a true 1c and for sure we lack that finisher winger who can take over a game.
ask around the league, i believe you would hear the same. alot less speed than before, older slower defense and no one who can shoot the puck.
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UAGoalieGuy
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I think this is why the Rangers front office leaked through Brooks that they would listen to offers for McD, Stepan, Brassard, Zucc and Kreider.
Rangers have the opportunity to net a large return in a trade of McD. They won't move him except for an overpayment and there are so many teams that would want a player like McD that someone will pay the price.
Drai and the #4. Duchane and the #10. Add a young center with #1 potential and a high pick.
Then move one of the current centers for a young top pairing potential PMD plus. Dumba, Ellis, Vatanen. Or add more offensive depth in a Brassard for Wilson, Kamenev and #17.
Main issue in moving McD is the left side will likely be hurting due to most of the young D being available appear to be righties. I still see them trying to move Staal this off-season as well so depending on returns you really only have Skjei.
Does Nash at 50% net you something like Brendan Smith, Tatar and the #16? What would have to be added if not ?
It doesn`t make sense to leak through L. Brooks - I thought New York Times was a more well known newspaper? 
Anyway, I don`t think Brooks is happy about our current GM.
Yeah, I think we should try to get Stamkos even with his recent injuries - it`s a good start to get that #1 center.
Anyway, I don`t think Brooks is happy about our current GM.
Yeah, I think we should try to get Stamkos even with his recent injuries - it`s a good start to get that #1 center.
RangerBoy
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UAGoalieGuy
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It doesn`t make sense to leak through L. Brooks - I thought New York Times was a more well known newspaper?
Anyway, I don`t think Brooks is happy about our current GM.
Yeah, I think we should try to get Stamkos even with his recent injuries - it`s a good start to get that #1 center.
Rangers brass always use Brooks to leak information.
RangerBoy
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The Garden and has a very good relationship with the NY Post. Both of them share the same common enemy. The NY Daily News. The Rangers have not leaked anything to anyone else.
He had 42 goals in 2014 though with 69 pts, but he need to aim better with his shot next season unless Rangers move him for some pieces.
But I agree, in consider his age and recent injuries - it`s not a good omen to have a bad season for Nash. I`ve a feeling the Rangers org. want to move him over the summer.
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Stamkos with that 10 mill price tag and the blood clots scare the ell out of me. Hope we avoid him.
Yes true `sigh, I am worried about that as well.
Should we aim for Patrick Kane instead?
Any ideas how we can get him to NY?
Yes true `sigh, I am worried about that as well.
Should we aim for Patrick Kane instead?
Any ideas how we can get him to NY?
invent a time machine, go back to before the 06-07 season and break the knees of jagr and lundqvist so we can finish last and get the top pick...thats the only way you are getting kane
Irishguy42
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Yes true `sigh, I am worried about that as well.
Should we aim for Patrick Kane instead?
Any ideas how we can get him to NY?
The cheapest option to get Patrick Kane on the Rangers is to kidnap him, bride him for his cooperation, fake his death and put him into Witness Protection so he gets a whole new name and everything, and then "sign this pretty good player out of Free Agency named Katrick Pane to an ELC because it's his rookie NHL season."
NYR Viper
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Possibly a good buy low candidate. I'm guessing he'll be a throw in on a larger deal the seems make to bolster their blue line.
On a side note, if the Rangers move Klein, which I'm hoping they do, I'd look at someone like Justin Schultz as a bit of a reclamation project. The Rangers were really interested in him coming out of college. RD. He's more of a rover like Dan Boyle than a pure puck mover though.
Darren Helm and Jason Chimera would be solid additions to the bottom 6. Both have tons of speed and excel at retrieving pucks from the corners. Something this team lacked last season.
oh boy, I thought maybe he wants a new challenge? They had an early playoffs exit as well in consider his record year in age of 27.
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I'm fine with adding any of those guys you mentioned, but for no more than two years. No long term contracts to role players.
Whoever signs Schultz will likely have to pay a Stanley Cup finals tax. He may be priced out.
The more we talk and debate about to strengthen our top 6 positions with an elite player - I`m more convinced that our current forwards are good enough for the task next year to win the Stanley cup.
I can foresee that JT. Miller will have a record year in 2016/2017 - and hopefully Buch will have a great impact year.
If Nash stays healthy he will get 30+ goals next season for sure, because it will be very hard to replace a two way player like him with AV as coach.
Nash is great on pk too with his long reach, and he sometimes scores like this season 4v5.
And in my opinion Nash was one of the few players who impressed me this year playoffs.
I can foresee that JT. Miller will have a record year in 2016/2017 - and hopefully Buch will have a great impact year.
If Nash stays healthy he will get 30+ goals next season for sure, because it will be very hard to replace a two way player like him with AV as coach.
Nash is great on pk too with his long reach, and he sometimes scores like this season 4v5.
And in my opinion Nash was one of the few players who impressed me this year playoffs.
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The more we talk and debate about to strengthen our top 6 positions with an elite player - I`m more convinced that our current forwards are good enough for the task next year to win the Stanley cup.
I can foresee that JT. Miller will have a record year in 2016/2017 - and hopefully Buch will have a great impact year.
If Nash stays healthy he will get 30+ goals next season for sure, because it will be very hard to replace a two way player like him with AV as coach.
Nash is great on pk too with his long reach, and he sometimes scores like this season 4v5.
And what happens to nash when we do get to the playoffs?
30 reg season goals.
1-2 playoff goals.
Your best players need to play like your best player in the playoffs.
Nash does not and will not fit that mold.
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Alright because at least three people have "called me out" about my Zuc comments, time to defend myself;
Zuc has points of 59, 49, 61 over the last three seasons. That is not true first line production.
First line production is regularly getting 65+ points and being a factor in most if not all of your teams games.
My definition of a first liner: Kopitar, Kane, Crosby, Tavares, Getzlaf, Ovechkin.
Even in the late 90s the Devils A-Line was putting up 70+ points in the Clutch and Grab Era.
As a goal scorer, you're regularly hitting the 35 goal range like a Sequin or OV.
There is a such thing as a complimentary first liner which is where you compliment or put the cherry on top to combine a lethal first line. Patrick Sharp had that distinction for a number of years.
Zuc is a very good player, but he's more in the category of a Wayne Simmonds, Tyler Toffoli, Brad Marchand to me.
Zuc has points of 59, 49, 61 over the last three seasons. That is not true first line production.
First line production is regularly getting 65+ points and being a factor in most if not all of your teams games.
My definition of a first liner: Kopitar, Kane, Crosby, Tavares, Getzlaf, Ovechkin.
Even in the late 90s the Devils A-Line was putting up 70+ points in the Clutch and Grab Era.
As a goal scorer, you're regularly hitting the 35 goal range like a Sequin or OV.
There is a such thing as a complimentary first liner which is where you compliment or put the cherry on top to combine a lethal first line. Patrick Sharp had that distinction for a number of years.
Zuc is a very good player, but he's more in the category of a Wayne Simmonds, Tyler Toffoli, Brad Marchand to me.
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