Speculation: Roster Building Thread XII

[bobbop]

Buchnevich is way better than Horvat at every aspect of hockey

Uh…no.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

The dark web

Dagoon?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Buchnevich from LAST year is certainly a far better player than Horvat (.89 ppg), but a center is more important than a winger especially one who can put up 50+ points

 

[MrPodz]

There was a projectuon by jfresh where his model ranks rangers first in standings in our division next season. I personally think we are going to be 3rd or 4th, but its funny because that would take a considerable jump in production from kakko/laf. Whats your point projections for them if all else stays the same(it wont).

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Uhh. Wow?... Seattle gonna throw 12M at him

 

[LokiDog]

Uhh. Wow?... Seattle gonna throw 12M at him

And thus, as a newly minted Washingtonian, Landeskog will be my Kraken jersey. With the C.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I dunno if I can see Landeskog signing with Seattle, but damn if they dont have cap to offer him a mega deal

 

[DanielBrassard]

Buch has been the better player without question. Better play driver, Better on the PK and scored more. The only advantage Horvat has over him is where he can play.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Buchnevich from LAST year is certainly a far better player than Horvat (.89 ppg), but a center is more important than a winger especially one who can put up 50+ points

Horvat could put up 70 playing with Bread.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Horvat could put up 70 playing with Bread.

Buchnevich probably could too, maybe even more.. He played mostly with Zib and Kreider (KZB line)

but yeah I'd always take the center over the winger even if you're losing points. Horvat does everything well and just plays a much more important position.

 

[Avery16]

And thus, as a newly minted Washingtonian, Landeskog will be my Kraken jersey. With the C.

Will the Kraken do even better than Vegas did?

 

[LeetchisGod]

Buchnevich probably could too, maybe even more.. He played mostly with Zib and Kreider (KZB line)

I have no interest in paying Buch long term. Can't use the entire cap on wingers. Perhaps if they didn't pay Kreider it would be a different story, but they did.

 

[Avery16]

Tough seeing a main piece of the McD and Miller trade going for only a 4th.

I’ll feel better about the Gooderow trade after he signs for reasonable $.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Tough seeing a main piece of the McD and Miller trade going for only a 4th.

I’ll feel better about the Gooderow trade after he signs for reasonable $.

Epic amateur scouting fail there.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I have no interest in paying Buch long term. Can't use the entire cap on wingers. Perhaps if they didn't pay Kreider it would be a different story, but they did.

sure but my point is Buchnevich can probably put up 70 points with him too, not that he's more important than a center for this team

 

[LokiDog]

Will the Kraken do even better than Vegas did?

It’s a crap shoot. But just projecting Landeskog as the only UFA they sign, and realistically they could have money to go after others… I have the following without accounting for trades:


Landeskog - Domi - Tarasenko
Appleton - Henrique - Debrusk
Johnsson - Namestnikov - Aube-Kubel
Tanev - Rooney - Nichushkin
McDonagh - Giordano
Soucy - Miller
Bean - Zadorov
Dreidger
Vanacek

And that’s really not bad. You add Matt Beniers at #2, guys like Keifer Bellows potentially as prospects, the potential to flip a guy like Giordano at 50% to a contender. They could definitely be good pretty quickly.

 

[bbny]

Yes and here’s why. Let’s say I’m Boston and I really want Goodrow. I go to Seattle and say let’s do a sign and trade. I’ll give you a better player than you are going to pick otherwise from the Rangers (an admittedly low bar) and I’ll throw in a draft choice or two. I’ve then got three days to try and cut a deal with the player. He becomes your pick from the Rangers and we trade afterwards.

I’m afraid someone could do this to the Rangers. Conversely, if I am the Rangers, I’m looking around the league and wondering who I could do this to.

If someone really wants to do that, let them. We have a few days to talk to him first, and if another team wants to pay more than our best offer then let them. There's a chance here he tells us he is going to test the market anyway, then we lose the slot + a 7th for nothing.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Well not sure we need to worry about it since Pagnotta says the Rangers are close to a deal already with him

 

[LeetchisGod]

sure but my point is Buchnevich can probably put up 70 points with him too, not that he's more important than a center for this team

One of your points was that Buch scored more. Buch had better linemates than Horvat.

 

[bbny]

Well not sure we need to worry about it since Pagnotta says the Rangers are close to a deal already with him

I read that signings are frozen until Thursday.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I read that signings are frozen until Thursday.

I mean it doesn't mean it would be "official" but if Goodrow already has a handshake deal it doesn't make any sense for Seattle to take him

 

[EdJovanovski]

Except at being a 6ft 215 center who is 53% in the dot and has 119 more points at the same age. Horvat averages 51 points per 82. Buch averages 53. They’re both about .9 hits per game, except Bo is significantly stronger/heavier. Bo is a better net front presence.

It also comes down to position of need. Bo is a perfect 2C for us. Buch is crowded out simply because we can’t afford to invest so much on the wings. Horvat has 2 more years at 5.5. We’d be lucky to get Buch signed for 6.

Fun trivia, Horvat and Buchnevich are 12 days apart in age.

I am dozing off but I can formulate an irrefutable argument that Buch is the superior player in every facet of the game tomorrow. Your stat is biased in Horvats favor as Buch was in the KHL. Buch has a higher career point per game than Horvat.

Horvat’s career has been up and down and isn’t showing any notable improvement. Buchnevich has been on an upward trajectory the whole time. Horvat paced for 56pts this year, Buch paced for 72! Buch had the BEST PK analytics of any forward in the entire NHL. The only player better on the PK is Hedman. These players are not comparable I don’t care if Horvat is a center. Buchnevich is on a whole nother level offensively, defensively, and when it comes to providing memes.

 

[LokiDog]

I am dozing off but I can formulate an irrefutable argument that Buch is the superior player in every facet of the game tomorrow. Your stat is biased in Horvats favor as Buch was in the KHL. Buch has a higher career point per game than Horvat.

Horvat’s career has been up and down and isn’t showing any notable improvement. Buchnevich has been on an upward trajectory the whole time. Horvat paced for 56pts this year, Buch paced for 72! Buch had the BEST PK analytics of any forward in the entire NHL. The only player better on the PK is Hedman. These players are not comparable I don’t care if Horvat is a center. Buchnevich is on a whole nother level offensively, defensively, and when it comes to providing memes.

Well, even accounting for the time Buch was in the KHL, their career PPG is pretty much identical. They play different games. But it doesn’t actually matter. Even if Buch is superior, and I love Buch - I’d give a kidney for us to ditch Kreider somehow and keep Buch - we have 18M tied up just in Kreider/Panarin and will need to give Kakko, Kravtsov and Laf new deals. The money needs to be spread to other positions. Buch may be irrefutably better, but it isn’t by an astronomical or even (necessarily) significant amount. We NEED a top six center. We don’t need a sixth winger.

 

[2014nyr]

if buch for horvat is on the table i do that without a second thought...buch is arguably better but we're loaded with wingers and he's going to cost too much. as someone mentioned maybe if kreider wasn't signed but with him the cap space is too valuable.

horvat is a big boy and fills a massive need as a c. now you have a 2c that can play big boy hockey. might not have the offensive instincts strome does but i'll take that for a guy who can give you production/make you competitive against heavier/high end teams. if panarin doesn't like that pairing, bump him up with mika and i guess krav to give you a more high octane scoring line and then throw laf and kakko around horvat to give you a bigger, more physical scoring line that can bully some teams down low. that would be a great balance to have in the top 6.

also...idno whats going on in van. i know they're up against it cap wise but seems like basically everyone is on the table there. locker room must have been a dumpster fire this year with their struggles coming off the bubble run. know they had injuries and covid issues but still...seems like more than that, esp if they're really shopping the guy they just put the c on.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Well, even accounting for the time Buch was in the KHL, their career PPG is pretty much identical. They play different games. But it doesn’t actually matter. Even if Buch is superior, and I love Buch - I’d give a kidney for us to ditch Kreider somehow and keep Buch - we have 18M tied up just in Kreider/Panarin and will need to give Kakko, Kravtsov and Laf new deals. The money needs to be spread to other positions. Buch may be irrefutably better, but it isn’t by an astronomical or even (necessarily) significant amount. We NEED a top six center. We don’t need a sixth winger.

If we REALLY want to move Kreider im sure we could force him out somehow. Never should’ve signed him though
But I am still of the belief Kravtsov is a center idc how sacreligious that is