Roster Building Thread V (2022-23): Cheese and WINE

[EpicDing]

I thought Jones was a RD at one point. Am I mistaken? Or was advertised as being able to play RD?

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The thing about Edge and Buch is that it's many of the same cast of characters who told us the trade was good at the time because Blais was good who now tell us the trade was good because no better trades existed. Even if Edge's info was incorrect, all you have to do is look at the trade deadline and see lesser players than Buch being dealt for far better returns to conclude that the trade was stupid.

I don't need to speculate that we could have gotten a first in a different package, I'm certain of it.

I think the trade was ok until Blais got Subbaned. We'll never TRULY know how it may have worked out.

Would have absolutely wanted a 1st over a 2nd though, that was inexcusable.

 

[bhamill]

I think the one player where it's possible to get what he does for cheaper, and let's assume the $4.5m number, is Chytil. I'm not saying get rid of him, I'm saying it's possible.

If Laf and Kakko come in at $2.1m, I challenge you to show me the better options.

I'm sure they're out there somewhere but it would be a risk.

And that is without even taking into consideration that they will be getting better, that neither is finished developing or getting stronger. They are the better option NOW and better option for the FUTURE.

 

[McRanger92]

How are we rehashing the Buchnevich trade AGAIN after the week the team just had

 

[bhamill]

Othmann is already in the top 9 even if you keep Kakko and one of Tarsenko/Kane. Either him or Vesey.

You're not keeping both Kane and Tarasenko without cheating. And watch the league finally crack down on LTIR once we do it.

Opening the season with Kane, Cuylle, and a guy who's never played in the NHL is rough for a team that's supposed to be winning.

Othmann also can't skate and Laf/Kakko were ahead of him at the same age every single year. Penciling Othmann in matter of factly is bold to say the least.

I hear you, but if Kane legitimately needs/gets hip surgery how would the league say it is cheating?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The Rangers are going to have to beat 1 of Boston or Tampa if they want it all. I don't think they can beat either team in a 7 game series, but that is more cause I just don't think this team will win the Stanley Cup. Not this roster specifically. I mean the organization as a whole. Like...ever. Haha.

That's the spirit. I got news for you. Tampa isn't getting past Toronto.

 

[bhamill]

I thought Jones was a RD at one point. Am I mistaken? Or was advertised as being able to play RD?

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The thing about Edge and Buch is that it's many of the same cast of characters who told us the trade was good at the time because Blais was good who now tell us the trade was good because no better trades existed. Even if Edge's info was incorrect, all you have to do is look at the trade deadline and see lesser players than Buch being dealt for far better returns to conclude that the trade was stupid.

I don't need to speculate that we could have gotten a first in a different package, I'm certain of it. Drury specifically chose Blais because of the mandate to get tougher. Other narratives are revisionist excuse making.

You self assuredness is STILL speculation by definition since no matter how convinced you are that you are right, you have absolutely zero proof.

How are we rehashing the Buchnevich trade AGAIN after the week the team just had

Because some people are POSITIVE we could have done better!!!

 

[bhamill]

Lafreniere is not getting traded unless its a massive return, it would have to be a hockey trade that is so good it removes the danger of Laf becoming that 90 point player he could be. Kakko isnt getting traded to make room for vets, BUT again he isn't untouchable, I don't think Drury sells low on him, and it's not a Kravtsov situation so its safe to keep him. We'd have to get value, and I don't know if we would, so I don't see it. Chytil has a LOT of potential and is already a 50pt 3C, I could see them trading him, again for the right deal. They aren't looking to be rid of him and they aren't going trade many years of him for a few of a returning TDL vet.
I like most of you see Goodrow on the way out, and depending how he plays till were done this year, he could bring a very nice return.
Don't see the team trading Lindgren away this summer.
Kane and Tarasanko I'm sure will be welcomed back on the right deals and LTIR being available as an option.
Of course a LOT depends on the rest of the season and the playoffs. It could change everything I just typed, but as it sits now...

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

How are we rehashing the Buchnevich trade AGAIN after the week the team just had

This. If you aren't living in the moment right now, not sure you can really enjoy sport.

 

[MrAlmost]

That's the spirit. I got news for you. Tampa isn't getting past Toronto.

Haha. I am a pessimistic optimist. I enjoy the games and I rarely complain about the sky falling, but I also always have this nagging feeling like it will never happen. Doesn't stop me from having fun. Last year was excellent.

 

[mas0764]

You self assuredness is STILL speculation by definition since no matter how convinced you are that you are right, you have absolutely zero proof.

It's no more speculative than the people speculating we didn't get a better offer. The evidence supports the position that there were better deals available.

I don't need to question it. I'm not burying my head in the sand in the face of all available evidence. You can pretend to not know. I know.

 

[Black Tank]

The Rangers are going to have to beat 1 of Boston or Tampa if they want it all. I don't think they can beat either team in a 7 game series, but that is more cause I just don't think this team will win the Stanley Cup. Not this roster specifically. I mean the organization as a whole. Like...ever. Haha.

I used to think like that and then I lived through the 93-94 season.

 

[mas0764]

Moving Lindgren would not be my first choice but I'll entertain it especially depending on what I can get back for him.

 

[bhamill]

It's no more speculative than the people speculating we didn't get a better offer. The evidence supports the position that there were better deals available.

I don't need to question it. I'm not burying my head in the sand in the face of all available evidence. You can pretend to not know. I know.

Actually the reality is we got what we got. It's a reasonable take to believe the team would take the best offer... that's occam's razor. The team wants the best deal it can get... the simplest conclusion is that's what they settled for.
But anyway, other people speculating we couldn't have got more doesnt make your speculation any less of a speculation. You cant "win" an argument just by proclaiming you are right. You just "know"... that sounds like every religious fanatic ever.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Haha. I am a pessimistic optimist. I enjoy the games and I rarely complain about the sky falling, but I also always have this nagging feeling like it will never happen. Doesn't stop me from having fun. Last year was excellent.

The cup is just so hard to win. So many things have to go right and the east will be a bloodbath. There are 20 other teams in this league that have either never won a cup or who have longer droughts than the Rangers. It's the hardest trophy to win in all of sports IMO.

 

[bhamill]

Moving Lindgren would not be my first choice but I'll entertain it especially depending on what I can get back for him.

Well, that's ALWAYS the thing. Even Gretzky has been traded, no one is untouchable if it's in the team's best interests.

 

[MrAlmost]

Gotta let the Buch trade go fellas. It's over now. Turns out it wasn't great. Too bad. They happen to every team.

Lindgren, Trouba, Kreider and Trocheck are not getting traded. Gotta rip that band-aid off too.

We are not getting Zegras. That one is probably the most ridiculous and it comes up every 3 days.

 

[McRanger92]

Gotta let the Buch trade go fellas. It's over now. Turns out it wasn't great. Too bad. They happen to every team.

Lindgren, Trouba, Kreider and Trocheck are not getting traded. Gotta rip that band-aid off too.

We are not getting Zegras. That one is probably the most ridiculous and it comes up every 3 days.

We'd be a worse team right now with Buchnevich lol. He's become criminally overrated.

 

[Fitzy]

99% of us would move Goodrow before Lindgren and I think we're right on that.

We will re-sign Motte for cheap and try to find someone to go between he and Vesey for cheap.

Unless NYR flame out in the first two rounds (Which certainly could happen) I don't see major wholesale changes coming. Just tinkering. And that I think is part of the difficulty of having a dialogue on this because there's so much we still don't know about how the season will turn out.

 

[MrAlmost]

99% of us would move Goodrow before Lindgren and I think we're right on that.

We will re-sign Motte for cheap and try to find someone to go between he and Vesey for cheap.

Unless NYR flame out in the first two rounds (Which certainly could happen) I don't see major wholesale changes coming. Just tinkering. And that I think is part of the difficulty of having a dialogue on this because there's so much we still don't know about how the season will turn out.

We are going to win the Cup and save the league from Cap hell. Increase will be 4.5, we will keep the band together, Goody included, and win it again, thus exploding the cap and the league will rejoice that finally the upper limit is in line with reality.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Listen.

Is this team talented enough to win a Cup? Absolutely.

Does this team have the depth necessary to win a Cup in all areas. Sure.

On paper (and what weve seen on the ice lately) this team is 100% a contender.

But, the playoffs are a different animal. Games are close. Four seven game series. 16 wins. Series could be won or lost off a skate blade or a missed call or opportunity. Injuries could derail you. And the same goes for Bruins. You need a little lady luck along the way to go along with competing at the highest level.

We've seen great teams, president trophy winners who looked like shoe-ins for the final get ousted in the first round. Things happen. Its not as cut and dry as the roster on paper. Thats what makes it the most difficult trophy in sports to win.

 

[bhamill]

Listen.

Is this team talented enough to win a Cup? Absolutely.

Does this team have the depth necessary to win a Cup in all areas. Sure.

On paper (and what weve seen on the ice lately) this team is 100% a contender.

But, the playoffs are a different animal. Games are close. Four seven game series. 16 wins. Series could be won or lost off a skate blade or a missed call or opportunity. Injuries could derail you. And the same goes for Bruins. You need a little lady luck along the way to go along with competing at the highest level.

We've seen great teams, president trophy winners who looked like shoe-ins for the final get ousted in the first round. Things happen. Its not as cut and dry as the roster on paper. Thats what makes it the most difficult trophy in sports to win.

Yup. VERY difficult. Boston is the Odds Favorite in LV right now at an average of +362 with just a 22% chance of winning... after setting records getting to 100 points.

 

[DanielBrassard]

We'd be a worse team right now with Buchnevich lol. He's become criminally overrated.

No

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We'd be a worse team right now with Buchnevich lol. He's become criminally overrated.

He's a great regular season player.

Then the playoffs start and he becomes a ghost.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

How are we rehashing the Buchnevich trade AGAIN after the week the team just had

We'll win the cup and people will be complaining about the Buch trade and that we lost our first rounder as a result of making the ECF. It's absurd.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Yup. VERY difficult. Boston is the Odds Favorite in LV right now at an average of +362 with just a 22% chance of winning... after setting records getting to 100 points.

The one thing Im confident in is the core of this group (in addition to Tank and Kane coming in) are gamers.

The whole team tends to rise to the occasion for big games, big moments and react to adversity in the right way. They have to be at the top or near it in comeback wins over the past two seasons and its largely the same group, only older.

Say what you want to say about them almost biting it in the first round last year, but they did come back from 3-1 down and they won a huge game 7 on the road against a very well coached and prepared Canes team.

That experience should help them, but one look at Igor, Mika and Kreids after they lost that series to Tampa tells you all you need to know.

They want it bad. Thats all you can ask for.

A lot has to happen to win it all. The boys will be ready and willing to lay it on the line.