Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[Edge]

For sure. The interest in Zegras/Turcotte plus they are pure centers right?

Well the "who" is the part we're speculating quite a bit more about.

It's been rumored the Rangers want another pick in the top 10.

I talked to a few people today who independently confirmed that, indeed, that's something they really want.

The four centers have been cited as potential targets and make "sense" when looking at the roster and where the Rangers were originally slated to pick.

Zegras has come up a bit more because of rumors the Rangers were high on him and a suspicion that we might be the team McKenzie talked to who him ranked fourth. But that's a little fuzzier.

But for all we know, the Rangers could want to be in the top 10 to take Podkolzin, Boldy or Broberg. I doubt that, but I can't say it's impossible.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think If you can get back into the top 10, it's an easy call tbh, especially if certain guys fall.

You want to accelerate a rebuild? This is how you do it.

 

[bl02]

Eh, every time there's a disappearance there's always some rumblings about injuries. I forget what it was 2016.

Hate to speculate if true but shows character if he's playing thru those injuries. Especially if it was in 2016 when we were playing for something.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Well the "who" is the part we're speculating quite a bit more about.

The four centers have been cited as potential targets and make "sense" when looking at the roster and where the Rangers were originally slated to pick.

Zegras has come up a bit more because of rumors the Rangers were high on him and a suspicion that we might be the team McKenzie talked to who him ranked fourth. But that's a little fuzzier.

But for all we know, the Rangers could want to be in the top 10 to take Podkolzin, Boldy or Broberg. I doubt that, but I can't say it's impossible.

I would have been completely opposed to those guys at 7-10 before but with Kaapo in tow supplementing him with a guy like Boldy or Broberg sounds pretty awesome to me.

Obviously I’d prefer Zegras still but I’d be happy either way.

 

[Off Sides]

Take out the Jets pick

You’re really pushing that package man lmao

I know, I've been pushing it for what feels like forever.

I don't think without the Jets pick it happens (yet if the Rangers get the Dallas or Tampa pick perhaps those in it's place)

These borderline can maybe make the playoffs next year if they improve their NHL team... the teams who would make any Kreider deal in the first place who also have a somewhat early pick are not going to want to move out of the 1st round completely.

 

[Edge]

Hate to speculate if true but shows character if he's playing thru those injuries. Especially if it was in 2016 when we were playing for something.

It's not a strike against him per se, but it's something the Rangers are going to take into consideration when they decide what direction they want to go and/or whether they feel that this is pretty much peak value for Kreider.

I don't know what their answer will be. But I do know that if they are serious about wanting another top 10 pick, Kreider's name is likely at least in the mix of considerations on how they could proceed.

 

[eco's bones]

So who would trade Kakko for Laine, straight up?

Everything I've read or heard about Kakko says he's not just a big offensive threat but a 200' all around player. Laine right now is strictly an offensive player. We saw last year what Laine does when he's in a slump. It's nothing. So no way would I trade Kakko for Laine.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I know, I've been pushing it for what feels like forever.

I don't think without the Jets pick it happens (yet if the Rangers get the Dallas or Tampa pick perhaps those in it's place)

These borderline can maybe make the playoffs next year if they improve their NHL team... the teams who would make any Kreider deal in the first place who also have a somewhat early pick are not going to want to move out of the 1st round completely.

I think we can look at two trades that point to Kreider being able to garner a pick like that on his own.

Stepan and Raanta for 7th and Tony D
Lucic for Miller, Jones, 13th

I’d say Kreider has comparable value to both Lucic/Stepan. They’re all very good 2nd liners/average first liners who fit well in a complimentary role. Overall, I’d probably have Kreider as the best player out of this group, too (at the time of each of their respective trades, obviously Kreider is better than Lucic now).

 

[Off Sides]

We'd read about some of those topics. The average fan would lose interest fairly quickly, especially over a long-enough period of time.

Makes sense why they'd push a certain agenda then.

 

[Tawnos]

Honestly, if Krieder is to be traded, then I would look at a 2020 1st

What's your reasoning on this?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So who would trade Kakko for Laine, straight up?

Winnipeg.

 

[JimmyG89]

I can see a post 7/1 trade. Would allow the team to sign him to an extension. He's not an 8 year kind of player, so there is no harm in that being an issue. I'm sure a team would be willing to trade a 2020 first for Kreider if they knew he'd be locked in with them for the next 5-6 years (extension is either 4 or 5 years).

I'd also like more than just that pick if the team is getting him as more than just a rental. 1st, maybe young NHL player, prospect.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

So who would trade Kakko for Laine, straight up?

Laine is better at shooting.
Kakko is better at everything else and is far from a slouch in the shooting deperatment.

Laine is an incredible goal scorer hut this isn’t close for me tbh. I see Laine as a 35-45 goal guy every year whereas I see Kakko at 30-35 but with 80+ points and high end two way play.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think we can look at two trades that point to Kreider being able to garner a pick like that on his own.

Stepan and Raanta for 7th and Tony D
Lucic for Miller, Jones, 13th

I’d say Kreider has comparable value to both Lucic/Stepan. They’re all very good 2nd liners/average first liners who fit well in a complimentary role. Overall, I’d probably have Kreider as the best player out of this group, too (at the time of each of their respective trades, obviously Kreider is better than Lucic now).

Stepan had term, Lucic had reputation.

They both have reputation over Kreider really.

If Kreider goes, I think it will be for Arizona's pick+ or Carolinas+Fox.

IF they want to get back into the top 10? They'll need to package picks together, which I'm not opposed to doing at all.

We have plenty of quantity already, But Kakko+ one of Cozens/Zegras/Dach?

That changes everything, including my mind on what they should do this summer.

 

[Off Sides]

I think we can look at two trades that point to Kreider being able to garner a pick like that on his own.

Stepan and Raanta for 7th and Tony D
Lucic for Miller, Jones, 13th

I’d say Kreider has comparable value to both Lucic/Stepan. They’re all very good 2nd liners/average first liners who fit well in a complimentary role. Overall, I’d probably have Kreider as the best player out of this group, too (at the time of each of their respective trades, obviously Kreider is better than Lucic now).

Stepan had term, actually Raanta had a year left too IIRC, that 2017 draft, I am not surprised Arizona was not in love with their #7, and they seemed to also have reason to not love ADA.

The other deal I do not remember, and don't have the motivation to break down, yet there were more moving established players involved and I think much of that deal was Quick was hurt and returning or they had some reason to get rid of Jones? again if IIRC

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Stepan had term, Lucic had reputation.

They both have reputation over Kreider really.

If Kreider goes, I think it will be for Arizona's pick+ or Carolinas+Fox.

IF they want to get back into the top 10? They'll need to package picks together, which I'm not opposed to doing at all.

We have plenty of quantity already, But Kakko+ one of Cozens/Zegras/Dach?

That changes everything, including my mind on what they should do this summer.

I think one could argue that Stepan’s term/cap hit hurt his value more than it helped.

Of course Lucic had that “big bad mfer” rep to go along with being a good player but I suspect that there are certain teams who are drooling over the aspect of adding Kreider and are willing to pay out the nose. Edmonton and Anaheim stand out to me.

I think Kreider for 8+cap would be doable for sure.

 

[bl02]

I think one could argue that Stepan’s term/cap hit hurt his value more than it helped.

Of course Lucic had that “big bad mfer” rep to go along with being a good player but I suspect that there are certain teams who are drooling over the aspect of adding Kreider and are willing to pay out the nose. Edmonton and Anaheim stand out to me.

I think Kreider for 8+cap would be doable for sure.

I think one could definitely argue that especially after watching his skating in the 2017 playoffs.

 

[will1066]

To me, the market is going to look at the more recent trades as comparables rather than go back more in time to Stepan or Lucic trades.

I think it's more practical/realistic to look at what Hayes garnered.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I can see why we want Adam Fox....he looks like he could be David Quinn's son. Hahah

Well, he looks more like Mike Babcock than Quinn, but whatever

 

[Off Sides]

Nah Arizona wants/wanted player with term, especially those who were on front loaded deals.

Which bring me back to part of my point, they are not going to love the 1 year left of Kreider, no team will at least until he is a pure rental, which in turn makes me believe the Rangers would have to add to him, so that team is hedging the bets they will not be able to extend him, by not moving all the way out of the 1st round. And if they can extend him they are going to want some cap space to do so, hence the taking back of some cap hit.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Honestly, if Krieder is to be traded, then I would look at a 2020 1st

We won't know what that pick is though. The idea of moving CK at this draft, is the Rangers have someone in their crosshairs. I don't dislike the idea of adding more 1st's next year though. If Zucc re-signs in Dallas we'll have three by trading CK.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think one could argue that Stepan’s term/cap hit hurt his value more than it helped.

Of course Lucic had that “big bad mfer” rep to go along with being a good player but I suspect that there are certain teams who are drooling over the aspect of adding Kreider and are willing to pay out the nose. Edmonton and Anaheim stand out to me.

I think Kreider for 8+cap would be doable for sure.

IF he had term? maybe.

I dont think @Off Sides is off though. Depends on where the Winnipeg pick will be.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Nah Arizona wants/wanted player with term, especially those who were on front loaded deals.

Which bring me back to part of my point, they are not going to love the 1 year left of Kreider, no team will at least until he is a pure rental, which in turn makes me believe the Rangers would have to add to him, so that team is hedging the bets they will not be able to extend him, by not moving all the way out of the 1st round. And if they can extend him they are going to want some cap space to do so, hence the taking back of some cap hit.

Arizona may have been looking at players with term, but I can’t imagine many other teams were. I suspect that his market was not as strong as I think Kreider’s is/will be.

Obviously that’s just speculation, though. We’ll see what happens. I think some of you might be surprised at what we get if we do in fact trade Kreids.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not to mention we'll still have our own 1st which will likely be pretty high.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Not to mention we'll still have our own 1st which will likely be pretty high.

Blasphemy. WE GOING TO THE CUP.