Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[IDvsEGO]

They can sign one of Copp/Strome and be fine with Laf & KAM contracts. In 2 years the bottom 6 will get a new look when Berard, Cuylle & Othmann become full timers on the cheap. Summer of '23 you can also move Lindgren and Chytil if hes still around if theyre desperate for space. Its just not something to worry about now imo. The next 2 playoff runs the Rangers will have their foot on the gas to win.

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I like the concept of foot on the gas now. It's a moment to take advantage of. But that moment is now, not next year when about a dozen current roster players' contracts expire and $11M of that money goes to two raises for players who are already on the team.

I'm looking at capfriendly and thinking that there's no money for a pricey 2C as early as next season, never mind the following. What's the math on this that makes it possible? If Chytil (IF) can handle 2C why sign another? Why let Vatrano walk? Pretty clear that Nemeth and Braun, maybe Reaves, too, have to go even though the coaching staff likes having guys like that on the roster, so will they?

Still curious what folks think 13 & 79 will sign for. Miller looks like he will get a huge deal. Never seen players like this come up for the Rangers, outside of Fox, so for me it's hard to guess. Signing that 2C now would make that even more problematic.

Miller I think is something like 5mx8. He doesn't have the production of fox, and his advanced metrics arent fantastic, but he flashes upside all the time.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

The cap may be flat longer than that. It's all dependent on revenue and escrow payment.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The cap may be flat longer than that. It's all dependent on revenue and escrow payment.

I think the PA and Ownership agreement was that the maximum it could be flat for was 3 years. And that anything longer than that would be considered "forgiven".

 

[McRanger92]

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

They cant sign him to an extension this offseason anyway but giving him a 6 year deal based on a solid 2 weeks of games would not be a smart move imo. I'm encouraged by Chytil's recent improvement but lets see how he finishes out the season and playoffs. The playoffs in particular will give us lots of answers on who we should keep around and who needs to be replaced. Hard to make any concrete statements on the offseason until we see where this run takes us.

 

[IDvsEGO]

They cant sign him to an extension this offseason anyway but giving him a 6 year deal based on a solid 2 weeks of games would not be a smart move imo. I'm encouraged by Chytil's recent improvement but lets see how he finishes out the season and playoffs. The playoffs in particular will give us lots of answers on who we should keep around and who needs to be replaced. Hard to make any concrete statements on the offseason until we see where this run takes us.

Cant they? He signed a 2 year deal last off season, he'll be in the last year of the deal. Cant they extend him once the off season starts?

 

[B17 Apricots]

This is how I'd be looking at it. CapFriendly has our cap space this coming season at 10.7 million. Wouldn't care if takes a pick, unload Nemeths 2.5 to bring that number to 13.2 million.

-2.5mil for Kakko
-5mil for Copp
-2.75mil for Vatrano

Those are the top priorities to me personally. Plenty of room for them.

Now you're sitting at a hair under 3 million in space. Lot of different paths to take. You need a cheap backup, that's a given. That'll bring you down to about 2 million. Blais is an RFA, love the player, but do you commit some of that left over money to someone you're not sure stays in the lineup. I don't really like the risk with some of the depth we've brought in.

You have Motte, Rooney, etc. Dont mind going real cheap on that 4th line. Brodzinski and Hunt look ok in those roles. Do you move out Reaves to free up some more money? That brings you back up to 3.75. Does that set you up for the homerun swing Lindgren for Chychrun? Difference of 1.6 million, still gives you some room. Maybe that's the move you can unload Nemeth in...

Either way, you have 3 players that are priorities

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is how I'd be looking at it. CapFriendly has our cap space this coming season at 10.7 million. Wouldn't care if takes a pick, unload Nemeths 2.5 to bring that number to 13.2 million.

-2.5mil for Kakko
-5mil for Copp
-2.75mil for Vatrano

Those are the top priorities to me personally. Plenty of room for them.

Now you're sitting at a hair under 3 million in space. Lot of different paths to take. You need a cheap backup, that's a given. That'll bring you down to about 2 million. Blais is an RFA, love the player, but do you commit some of that left over money to someone you're not sure stays in the lineup. I don't really like the risk with some of the depth we've brought in.

You have Motte, Rooney, etc. Dont mind going real cheap on that 4th line. Brodzinski and Hunt look ok in those roles. Do you move out Reaves to free up some more money? That brings you back up to 3.75. Does that set you up for the homerun swing Lindgren for Chychrun? Difference of 1.6 million, still gives you some room. Maybe that's the move you can unload Nemeth in...

Either way, you have 3 players that are priorities

I think Kakko at 2.5m is low unless its a 1 year deal. 5m is about right for Copp, he may even take less to stay with trouba/not be in canada.
Im not sure I love Vatrano at 2.75
I'd rather keep Motte at 2m and open a middle 6 role for a kid.

 

[duhmetreE]

I think the PA and Ownership agreement was that the maximum it could be flat for was 3 years. And that anything longer than that would be considered "forgiven".

when was this?

 

[IDvsEGO]

when was this?

When they made it? I may be mistaken though.

 

[McRanger92]

Cant they? He signed a 2 year deal last off season, he'll be in the last year of the deal. Cant they extend him once the off season starts?

Honestly not sure. I know hes an RFA when this contract is up, i think that factors in.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

It's interesting that people have been saying all year get Chytil some actual NHL talent to play with and he'll be fine. Now that we added that depth he looks great. Him and Copp should be battling for the 2 spot next season

 

[McRanger92]

It's interesting that people have been saying all year get Chytil some actual NHL talent to play with and he'll be fine. Now that we added that depth he looks great. Him and Copp should be battling for the 2 spot next season

Drury has a lot of directions he can go but the best one might be doing his best to run it back with as many of these guys as possible. All these long-term contenders have lots of continuity.

 

[duhmetreE]

Copp gets around 5M per
Kakko gets a 2 year 2.3M per like Chytil. or ideally an extra year for mid-high 2s.
Blais gets a 2 year 1.5M to be on LTIR

Motte wants 2M
Vatrano will probably want 3M+

that's a tough choice. Energy bottom6 PK guy or an actual goal scorer? I'd love to keep them all it's not happening though. It'd be Copp + one of Motte or Vatrano. We do have Othmann and Cuylle close enough... So I'd lean Motte

 

[duhmetreE]

When they made it? I may be mistaken though.

Last I heard escrow needs to be paid off and revenue needs to approach $5B.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Drury has a lot of directions he can go but the best one might be doing his best to run it back with as many of these guys as possible. All these long-term contenders have lots of continuity.

There's also a part of me that's wondering.. Drury was the GM of Hartford. He first hand saw how players like Lias and Kravstov acted, all the while Chytil kept his head down there and played the role that was asked of him. Part of me wonders for that reason Drury may be higher on him than a large portion of the people here are

 

[duhmetreE]

There's also a part of me that's wondering.. Drury was the GM of Hartford. He first hand saw how players like Lias and Kravstov acted, all the while Chytil kept his head down there and played the role that was asked of him. Part of me wonders for that reason Drury may be higher on him than a large portion of the people here are

100%. He also takes his demotions in stride and tears up the AHL.

I'd just hope he adds a touch of physicality to his game.... but with how he's always injured, maybe it's for the best

 

[B17 Apricots]

I think Kakko at 2.5m is low unless its a 1 year deal. 5m is about right for Copp, he may even take less to stay with trouba/not be in canada.
Im not sure I love Vatrano at 2.75
I'd rather keep Motte at 2m and open a middle 6 role for a kid.

Kakkos numbers are no different to Chytil who got 2.3 at 2 years so I'm not sure he's going to get much more than 2.5.

Personally love Vatrano at 2.75. He got 2.5 after a 39 point year. He hasn't really hit that number since so I don't think he's getting much of a raise with a flat cap. He's fast, he hits, and unlike a lot of players on this team he's a shooter. This is the type of depth we need. Hes also a guy that never has gotten too much ice time in the past. So I do wonder that if no one can displace him on that top line next year if he's playing +17 minutes a night are we gonna get another guy whos producing for more than what his contracts worth?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Kakkos numbers are no different to Chytil who got 2.3 at 2 years so I'm not sure he's going to get much more than 2.5.

Personally love Vatrano at 2.75. He got 2.5 after a 39 point year. He hasn't really hit that number since so I don't think he's getting much of a raise with a flat cap. He's fast, he hits, and unlike a lot of players on this team he's a shooter. This is the type of depth we need. Hes also a guy that never has gotten too much ice time in the past. So I do wonder that if no one can displace him on that top line next year if he's playing +17 minutes a night are we gonna get another guy whos producing for more than what his contracts worth?

Kakko and Chytil have similar point numbers, except that Kakko was a 2nd overall pick. That alone adds value. Kakko also has much better possession numbers. So there’s an easier projection to points.

 

[Blais to Win]

Kakkos numbers are no different to Chytil who got 2.3 at 2 years so I'm not sure he's going to get much more than 2.5.

Personally love Vatrano at 2.75. He got 2.5 after a 39 point year. He hasn't really hit that number since so I don't think he's getting much of a raise with a flat cap. He's fast, he hits, and unlike a lot of players on this team he's a shooter. This is the type of depth we need. Hes also a guy that never has gotten too much ice time in the past. So I do wonder that if no one can displace him on that top line next year if he's playing +17 minutes a night are we gonna get another guy whos producing for more than what his contracts worth?

I hope he continues it and I'd think he could get the chance at that number. Seems like a great teammate, too.

I just want to restate my question from earlier - does the organization think it's worth it to pay Strome or Copp their ask and term if they see Chytil in the role of 2C as soon as next season? Maybe this was answered already by McRanger92 who speculated it would be about seeing how things go this postseason.

 

[JimmyG89]

I'm trying to dump Nemeth as soon as the season is over. No need on the team at this point. There was the slow build up for guys like Jones and Robertson that many thought. Same for Schneider. Jones showed himself well this season. Schneider has too. It would not shock me if Robertson did the same thing if given the chance. Those 3, and Nils splitting time in Hartford and New York has probably helped all of them. Next season there is no reason to expect they're all competing for spots (if all are in the organization)

If this team truly wants to contend next season with the cap additions, it's probably best to move Nemeth AND Lindgren. I'm pawning Nemeth off to whoever has space and is not on his no trade list. Would not mind adding Lindgren to a deal to get a forward with term if Copp and Strome are not here for the long term.

Add 5.5M in room to keep things tidy up front. Promote Jones or Robertson, whoever is better in camp, and sign a veteran that costs no more than 1.5M for the 3rd pairing. Promote Miller to play with Fox. Ideally Jones is playing with Trouba. Schneider gets the veteran since he is still young and learning. Maybe Robertson beats out the vet.

It sucks they let him walk, but I would absolutely bring back Brendan Smith if he is signing for 800K like he did in Carolina. Easy 6/7D that isn't complaining if he sits. We know he's tough and willing. Probably still has his house around here.

 

[mas0764]

Kakko is an interesting case. Hes not getting more than a bridge deal from the Rangers, and if he really wants to sign an offer sheet, i could see him being traded in a package for another C. Lafreniere & KAM have clearly jumped him in the pecking order, im more worried about those future contracts than Kakko's.

Lafreniere didn't jump him, he was always better.

I'm not sure I agree on KAM though.

 

[mas0764]

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

Great idea but I don't think we can afford it unless we are passing on Copp and Strome.

 

[mas0764]

I think Kakko at 2.5m is low unless its a 1 year deal. 5m is about right for Copp, he may even take less to stay with trouba/not be in canada.
Im not sure I love Vatrano at 2.75
I'd rather keep Motte at 2m and open a middle 6 role for a kid.

I'm not sure Vatrano is affordable at 2.75m with Copp getting 5 and Kakko getting 2.5.

 

[Bruner4329]

I think the move is to sign chytil to a 6 year deal this off season. Something like 4mx6 if possible. I have a feeling if he moves to 2c he's going to absolutely break out.

The cap is flat for 1 more offseason, and we'll be tight for one of them but then if he's locked up to a deal like that, and he breaks out we've got a huge value piece.

Next off season we've got KAM and Laf to deal with.

Having our entire top 6 signed to multi year deals would be huge.

So we are going to pay a guy who has basically been a disappointment so far $4 million for 6 years when the money could be spent a lot wiser. That would be a huge mistake