Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVII

[EXTRAS]

How's Barron looked so far and what you expect him to be in the future?

 

[jay from jersey]

Details and facts. Bah. He's been here for more than two years and he isn't McDavid yet. The board has declared him boring, and wishes to elevate Barron to savior of the month.

Seriously, though, at no point, in the entire time he's been here, has Chytil had an extended run with consistent linemates who weren't 4th liners or AHL players. Some of you see "low hockey IQ"---I see a player who needs to act rather than over-think things. He's too tentative because the whole time he's been here, one mistake has meant being banished to 4th line minutes.

We never should have developed him in the NHL. He should have been a staple on the top line in Hartford until at least last year. He needs an extended run with players he won't defer to and get a chance to get on a roll. I'd put him with Laf and either Kakko or Blais, and roll with it for ~20 games.

I’m not 100% Down on chytil, but I think Barron is going be the better long term 3C. He’s smarter, bigger, and a better defender. He’ll also be cheaper, at least for a while.
They both look to shoot the puck when they get it. Both have good wrist shots. Chytil is probably a bit faster with more shake n bake to his game, while Barron is more north/south /board work.
Both need work at the dot.
I’m hoping chytil can be the guy who can grab the 2C spot. But he also needs a long look.
Barron has worked hard to refine his game and finally get to NHL caliber from being a 6th rd pick. Him and chytil are almost the same age. It’s would be a shame that Barron doesn’t get a chance to prove he’s a solid 3C or sent back to 4th line or the A just because chytil needs another development year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Gallant compared Chytil to Lars Eller. Gallant was an assistant coach with Montreal with Eller. He was a valuable player/3rd line center on the Capitals when they won the Cup in 2018. Eller was a former first round by the Blues in 2007. Maybe Chytil won't be the answer for the Rangers 2nd line center issues. The Rangers need to fill that role but money is very tight.

Rangers are going to have to find a way. Having a gigantic hole at 2C isn't winning them any playoff series.

 

[duhmetreE]

I’m not 100% Down on chytil, but I think Barron is going be the better long term 3C. He’s smarter, bigger, and a better defender. He’ll also be cheaper, at least for a while.
They both look to shoot the puck when they get it. Both have good wrist shots. Chytil is probably a bit faster with more shake n bake to his game, while Barron is more north/south /board work

He's also more physical

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers don't see Chytil taking the next step, perhaps they would look to capitalize on his value and trade him. This assumes Barron shows he is capable of being 3C. That would save ~$1.5m on the cap and bring in another asset.

 

[NYR Viper]

How's Barron looked so far and what you expect him to be in the future?

Still getting his feet wet at the NHL level but has looked solid. He's not going to be an offensive juggernaut but expecting 30-35 points at the NHL level while bringing good board play, PK time, the ability to play center ow wing and consistent physical play is going to be his calling card. Think Boone Jenner or Barclay Goodrow-like player.

 

[JohnC]

The org has just been headstrong on making him a center like they did with Hayes. They rarely give things like that up especially the the lack of c depth we have. I like chytil and he has tools but he doesn't effectly apply them consistently. I have no issues moving him in a deal that fits this team going forward.

Chytil and kravtsov is a good start for a package for a quality player...

To be fair, Hayes sucked so bad every time they tried to shift him to wing. He’d become flat out invisible.

I suspect shifting Chytil to wing would have the same effect, but don’t really have anything to base that hunch off of.

 

[bobbop]

That's actually a really good comp.

The 2C will need to be in house or a prospect. It could be someone like Barron or Goodrow.

That's why I also like Kravtsov for Hayton+

I fixed that for you

 

[RangersFan1994]

Still getting his feet wet at the NHL level but has looked solid. He's not going to be an offensive juggernaut but expecting 30-35 points at the NHL level while bringing good board play, PK time, the ability to play center ow wing and consistent physical play is going to be his calling card. Think Boone Jenner or Barclay Goodrow-like player.

I’d take a Boone Jenner type. I was hoping the Jackets would move him, underrated player. If he turns out to be a Andres Lee type down the road, I feel the offense will come. He seems like a very smart player and has shown offense at the AHL level, Rangers do well with late round picks. Still too early to tell.

 

[bobbop]

I just dont see the available cap space.. Even if he takes a RNH type deal.

You are not going to find a bona fide number two center for chump change. Strome could end up being the most efficient financial solution available

 

[rangers1314]

I’d take a Boone Jenner type. I was hoping the Jackets would move him, underrated player. If he turns out to be a Andres Lee type down the road, I feel the offense will come. He seems like a very smart player and has shown offense at the AHL level, Rangers do well with late round picks. Still too early to tell.

Andres Lee has scored 25 goals or more 4 times, including a 40 goal season.

I hope Barron turns into a player too, but that's a very, very lofty goal.

 

[duhmetreE]

You are not going to find a bona fide number two center for chump change. Strome could end up being the most efficient financial solution available

I agree but it'd still take finagling to get him under the cap. Even if he comes in at $5.1M like RNH. It all depends on how Kakko and Blais play this season. If Kakko ( or Blais ) breaks out, we're worse off cap wise.

 

[duhmetreE]

Still getting his feet wet at the NHL level but has looked solid. He's not going to be an offensive juggernaut but expecting 30-35 points at the NHL level while bringing good board play, PK time, the ability to play center ow wing and consistent physical play is going to be his calling card. Think Boone Jenner or Barclay Goodrow-like player.

I think he's look real solid in his limited opportunity. 30-35 can change if he's playing with someone like Panarin. Stylistically, his game is reminiscent of PLD, no? He's big, is good on the forecheck, can skate well for his size, plays physical, is solid defensively and has a good shot. What more do we want?

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I've never been particularly enamored with Chytil's upside. I've always given him the benefit of the doubt because he's young. He looks like a 3C to me. I just don't see the overall hockey sense to become anything more offensively.

He can be a really good 3C, though.

Totally agree and there's not anything wrong with that.

Being the 3C on a contender is an important and big role. I do see the hockey sense being limiting, a lot of holding when he should pass, not seeing players cutting to pass to, forcing shots when passes are there. He's good and I think he can be a 20-20 guy as 3C, which is extremely valuable, but I'm not sure I really see him becoming a true 2C.

However, I DO think he is a center and should stay in the middle.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Our division is ridiculous.

The Metro division has only 4 regulation losses in 34 games played against other divisions this season. (23-4-7)

Goal differentials:

Metro +36
Atlantic -10
Central -23
Pacific -4

Teams .500 or above:

Metro: 8/8
Atlantic: 5/8
Central: 4/8
Pacific: 4/8

This is why getting off to a good start and banking points early is very important this year, we could be dead in the water with a bad start.

 

[duhmetreE]

"I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a different kind of feel in that situation," Trouba said. "Teams you've been on in the past, you kind of get the feeling of, ‘Oh, no.’ On this team, it’s definitely not an ‘oh, no’ feeling. It’s, ‘Let's shut this thing down and close it out.’ We know what to do. It's not really overthought. Everybody knows their job, so do your job and we'll be fine."

NY Rangers return from road trip with budding sense of 'cohesiveness'

 

[RGY]

Strome deserves more respect than he gets, our offense looks a lot less dynamic without him

Our offense didn’t look great when Strome was playing either. And he was off to a horrid start defensively. If Panarin isn’t going then neither is Strome.

The bottom line is Panarin and Zibanejad need to get to going.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think he's look real solid in his limited opportunity. 30-35 can change if he's playing with someone like Panarin. Stylistically, his game is reminiscent of PLD, no? He's big, is good on the forecheck, can skate well for his size, plays physical, is solid defensively and has a good shot. What more do we want?

It's possible, but I really don't see that high of offensive output. That's not to say he will be ineffective just that I don't see the high end offensive skill required to consistently put up 50-60 points even playing with good wingers. I could be wrong but the way he plays just reminds me of those really effective 3C's who can chip in but aren't line drivers and can play all over the place effectively.

 

[Fitzy]

Gotta get that shot volume up- NYR bottom of the league in shots per game to start the season.

That the PP which should, by the end of the season, be over 20% is currently 12.5 can get a lot of the blame.

As others have noted, there isn't a team in the metro right now below .500. WTF

 

[tomobson]

Our offense didn’t look great when Strome was playing either. And he was off to a horrid start defensively. If Panarin isn’t going then neither is Strome.

The bottom line is Panarin and Zibanejad need to get to going.

The faster GG realizes Strome can't play defense the better. He can't be trusted late in the game and he can't deal with the extra open ice in 4v4/3v3 situations.

 

[jay from jersey]

How's Barron looked so far and what you expect him to be in the future?

It’s hard to get in a rhythm with Reaves and McKegg only playing 7-8 minutes a night on 4th line. From what I’ve watched from him so far he’s solid. He pays attention to detail, throws his body around a bit. Everything you want to see. If he had some wings that could get him the puck in some prime shooting positions, we’d see that dirty wrister more often.
He’s not perfect. Still needs some face off work, but he’s def part of the long term solution here. And it’s very apparent to me that Gallant/Drury don’t want him playing anything else then center at this time.
If there’s an injury or a trade, I wouldn’t be afraid of him being flanked by 2 vets like Goodrow/Blais/ or even Kakko on his right for the rest of the season. He’s not a young guy that will hurt you if you have to insert him in the top 9.
I’m my opinion, keeping him in Hartford beyond this year would bf counter productive. Keeping him their this entire year is borderline overkill.
He doesn’t need to be a PPG scoring center down there to prove he’s ready for NHL duty. That’s not his game.

 

[Ola]

On 2c, I still feel that Yanni Gourde is the perfect fit. I think the last thing we need is some passenger that only will produce if they are handed things on a silver platter in the O-zone. Ziba and Chytil have a ton of size. Many of our wingers are better fits with dynamic speed at center ice.

Drury should stay in constant contact with Francis and Seattle. Its a tough start for Seattle. They could be out of contention quite soon. Make a deal around Nils for Gourde. Francis needs a RHS on the blueline.

This team would be a contender:
Laf-Zib-Kreider
Panarin-Chytil-Strome
Goodrow-Gourde-Kakko
Reeves-Rooney-Blais
Hunt

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gotta get that shot volume up- NYR bottom of the league in shots per game to start the season.

That the PP which should, by the end of the season, be over 20% is currently 12.5 can get a lot of the blame.

As others have noted, there isn't a team in the metro right now below .500. WTF

Devils will take care of that soon enough.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

You are not going to find a bona fide number two center for chump change. Strome could end up being the most efficient financial solution available

WHAT!?! HELL TO THE NO. First off Strome is making basically $5m aav. His next contract will be even more money coming in around the 7m aav range. No way in hell is he worth that nor can you tell me that there arent better options out there for that price tag.

Strome is not a #2 center. He may put up points but we have beaten this horse to death already. Strome adds nothing to this team. Not good on faceoffs, poor defensive play, bad hockey IQ, and physically a p***y. No no no

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

What planet are some of you on where Chytil isn’t a center? Lol