Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXVII – Fortnight, Not Fortnite

[LORDE]

Not only that but we are trading Hayes AND Zbad?

That sounds ridiculous and I’m a fan of the tank!

 

[Off Sides]

I actually think Zbad makes some sense to keep even maybe after his current contract ends. So much can happen between now and then yet if these prospects go well, his contract would end right about the time some of them just signed their 2nd contract with others needed them right when his contract ends. At that point if the cap structure and his play still make sense I think he is the one player who's age, talent level, even at that time may warrant an extension.

To me Kreider just misses the cut off unfortunately due to his age being in the possible decline range right when all that would transpire. I do not expect the Rangers to trade him, but by not doing so I do expect them to be facing either them signing him towards whatever he is asking for or having to trade him for the standard 1st and stuff rental return. I don't think even his most ardent supporters are going to like what he ask for in an extension.

I'm not sure Gorton can win any Kreider trade if he is moved alone, he has one year left after this one under contract, he is the type of player that may not be able to return what he is really worth, this deadline, at the draft or next year as a rental. So the options are kind of sign him towards whatever he wants even if that is on the highest side of any comparable contract, or take back less than he is worth as a current NHLer. Yet if it's a more complicated deal that includes both futures and some current NHL thing(s) coming back I think at least the non broken down version of that hypothetical deal could look better.

 

[True Blue]

Golden Axe was the **** back in my day

I used to love that game. Cost a lot of quarters.

 

[True Blue]

To me Kreider just misses the cut off unfortunately due to his age being in the possible decline range right when all that would transpire. I do not expect the Rangers to trade him, but by not doing so I do expect them to be facing either them signing him towards whatever he is asking for or having to trade him for the standard 1st and stuff rental return. I don't think even his most ardent supporters are going to like what he ask for in an extension.

It will probably take 6 years with $6.5m or so per. He is worth it.

 

[Off Sides]

It will probably take 6 years with $6.5m or so per. He is worth it.

I'm going to disagree, he is going to know the Rangers are in the either sign him or take back rental like return situation, He could ask for 8M and 7 years and what are the Rangers going to do?

Where is the cut off where he is asking for too much where the Rangers would rather just take back the 1st and stuff?

 

[True Blue]

Where is the cut off where he is asking for too much where the Rangers would rather just take back the 1st and stuff?

Don't know. Maybe 7 for 7? Whatever they sign him for, they will need to sign ZBad to at least the same contract. $7.5? I would say that Gorton should spend the summer trying to lock it up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

My nephew plays Apex Legends now - so it`s obviously the new thing.

Right now I think Rangers should keep Mats Zuccarello - not worth it unless Gordon get a 1st and nothing less in rental value. He is one of the best in the league when he is on his game - 4-1 victory over Leafs.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Evander Kane's contract is the comparable for Kreider

And with the cap going up in the next two seasons, he would be looking at even more AAV than Kane

Getting him under 7 million would be a steal but why would he do that?

 

[jacko23]

Someone referred to Fortnite as "the best game I never played" because there are no more obnoxious 12 year olds ruining online gaming with games like Battlefield etc, since they're all off playing Fortnite.

I played it to see what the fuss was about. No wonder 12 year old love it. Its more a social hangout than a good game.

 

[Off Sides]

Don't know. Maybe 7 for 7? Whatever they sign him for, they will need to sign ZBad to at least the same contract. $7.5? I would say that Gorton should spend the summer trying to lock it up.

I think the Evander Kane contract is possible if not more. 7x7 with an only 3 team can trade to clause.

7 years would take Kreider to the age of 36. Do the Rangers really want to have Kreider on their cap at ages 33-34-35 maybe even 36 with that type of cap hit and clause?

 

[Trxjw]

If a team wants to pay a premium to add Georgie that's one thing, but I see no issue with him backing up Hank next year while Shesty gets the heavy workload in Hartford.
Worrying about having too many goalies is seriously premature.

As far as Zibby and Kreids are concerned it's business as usual for me. I build with them in the mix unless a team blows me away with an offer I can't refuse.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I look forward to next year's trade deadline when people will be trying to give up assets to get Zucc back here, for his leadership qualities, on a bottom 5 team.

 

[True Blue]

If a team wants to pay a premium to add Georgie that's one thing, but I see no issue with him backing up Hank next year while Shesty gets the heavy workload in Hartford.
Worrying about having too many goalies is seriously premature.

As far as Zibby and Kreids are concerned it's business as usual for me. I build with them in the mix unless a team blows me away with an offer I can't refuse.

Agreed. Silly to start to worry until we can truly see what Shesty can do.

And completely agree on Kreider and Zbad. Yes, everyone is tradeable. But to move one of them, would be a Godfather type of an offer that Gorton just could not say no to. Anything short of that and they stay and become the foundation upon which the next core is built. And, more importantly, it keeps pressure off of the other kids who are not yet ready to step into such prime time roles.

 

[Off Sides]

Why the different arguments for Hayes?

I mean if they are moving him to bolster the future instead of using him to build around, why will that not apply to Kreider next year when he effectively has the same term left as Hayes does right now?

If Hayes was asking for something the Rangers would/will not go to, why would/should they capitulate for Kreider?

Why the different debate about McD? He had a year left played an arguably more important position, why trade him if they are not going to apply that thinking towards Kreider too?

It's not like I want to see them move Kreider, more that I think if the arguments for moving Hayes/McD made/make sense...

 

[17futurecap]

Lebrun wrote up every team in a buyers/sellers column:

New York Rangers: Step right up, the Rangers knew from Day 1 in October this was their trade deadline destiny, fulfilling a plan that started a year ago with a very public rebuild plan. The pending UFAs for sale include Kevin Hayes and Mats Zuccarello as the more promising items. Hayes would be a beast of an add for a contender looking for size and enough skill to play in a top-six role. Hard-hitting blueliner Adam McQuaid is also a pending UFA and will likely be moved. After that, the Rangers are listening on signed players, a guy like Vladislav Namestnikov, 26, as an example. He’s signed for another year at $4 million. He’s yours for the right price. Having the necessary cap room for July 1 and a possible run at the likes of Panarin and/or Erik Karlsson (unless he stays in San Jose) are possibilities.

LeBrun: The buyers, sellers, and TBD teams ahead of the...

 

[Gardner McKay]

Zibanejad isn't going anywhere. It was maybe a question at the start of the season but he's solidified his place on this team long term.

His NMC will kick in during the summer and we won't have to hear this garbage for another 3 years

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[LaffyTaffy]

I think signing Erik Karlsson is becoming a real possibility

 

[Off Sides]

The goalies?

I would think if Hank is being started less and less, eventually he may not want to stay around. Not that I think he'd want to be traded, more so I wonder if at some point he would retire? Is his last season with 5.5M left owed really worth him staying around should he be backup at that point considering he already would have over ~103M in career earnings?

 

[True Blue]

Why the different arguments for Hayes?

I mean if they are moving him to bolster the future instead of using him to build around, why will that not apply to Kreider next year when he effectively has the same term left as Hayes does right now?

For me, it comes down to the NMC/NTC. Simply put, I believe that Krieder will be worth it, but Hayes will not. And this is from the camp of someone who likes Hayes and am more leaning to this level of play being the new normal. I think that Kreider offers something unique that Hayes does not.

 

[True Blue]

I think signing Erik Karlsson is becoming a real possibility

Based on what?

 

[Off Sides]

For me, it comes down to the NMC/NTC. Simply put, I believe that Krieder will be worth it, but Hayes will not. And this is from the camp of someone who likes Hayes and am more leaning to this level of play being the new normal. I think that Kreider offers something unique that Hayes does not.

What about McD, he offered something no other defender could have offered.

More so I think if they are going to start down a path of rebuilding it has to be more about the future players than those who are going to be in the danger of decline area right around when those future players are all going to get more and more expensive.

Sure they need to shelter/mentor them, yet they are probably going to be taking back some NHLers this deadline if last deadline was an indicator, plus they have some vets left over, and there are always the cheap and short term left over vets who do not get signed in the beginning of free agency.

I guess where we differ, I don't think Kreider at ages 33-35 or even 36 with a clause is going to be worth it and I think by that juncture the Rangers are going to be wishing they had that extra cap space they may have used on Kreider.

This is all different if the plan is to really sign some expensive UFAs this summer, if that is the case then I do think Kreider could be one of them. How they truly compete given they'd need a whole top pair D, maybe even a 2nd pair too, plus several other top 6F and depth players even if they sign a couple expensive guys, I'm not sure I see that going well.

 

[eco's bones]

The issue with Georgiev is Shestyorkin is supposed to come to North America next season. He isn’t coming here to play in the AHL. Shestyorkin sees time in the AHL to begin the season. He isn’t going to be there forever. Trying to find enough time for 3 goalkeepers is difficult especially with Lundqvist expecting to play a majority of the games.

If you look carefully, there are teams which need a long term answer in goal. Calgary. Edmonton. Ottawa. Carolina. Detroit. Florida if they don’t sign Bob. Columbus without Bob. LA without Quick who gets traded. There are not that many other options available.

Not against trading Georgiev but IMO we need to get at least a mid 2nd rounder for him or equivalent to that prospect. He's going to be a good goalie--maybe even a very good goalie. If we can't get that for him now I would hold on to him.

 

[Avery16]

ICYMI:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/10/caps-and-restrictions-are-not-needed-for-every-little-loophole/

A year ago, the Predators ruled 2017 first-round winger Eeli Tolvanen off-limits in trade talks following the teenaged Finn’s breakout Olympics. They had seemed willing to consider the possibility of sending Tolvanen to the Rangers in a rental deal for Rick Nash, but placed the winger under quarantine following the Pyeongchang Games.
Now, though, we are told Tolvanen is being used as bait while the Predators, who have already obtained bottom-sixers Brian Boyle and Cody McLeod, hunt big game of the Artemi Panarin-Mark Stone variety.
Tolvanen for Mats Zuccarello? Not likely.

Mike Richter had just six seasons in which he played 50 games or more. He did not play in an NHL playoff game after the age of 30. But at his peak, he was Hall of Fame worthy. Indeed, Richter may have delivered the three most dominant, big-game periods of hockey within a three-year stretch I can recall...
If this were the mid-’90s, and your team was playing a big game, Richter was your goalie. Richter was your man.

Always felt this way.

 

[Tawnos]

ICYMI:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/10/caps-and-restrictions-are-not-needed-for-every-little-loophole/




Always felt this way.

What's kind of amusing about that whole blurb about Richter is that game 3 wasn't even Richter's best performance of that World Cup.

 

[LORDE]

Based on what?

Exactly. If anything I'm more convinced he stays w SJS