Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI (Will these playoffs ever F'ing end?)

[bernmeister]

But they did.. Please don't pretend like you were the voice against giving him a NMC. Nobody wants players getting a NMC, but they do, and sometimes that's the cost to sign the players. It doesn't mean we agree with it, but it already took place. They can't go back in time and undo that. Decisions now are made within reality of what they have, what they can get, and what they can afford to retain. They can't just retain 21+million over 5 years to undo their wrong decision.

NO
I was right to be one of few that vocal then, and I am correct now to say no more.

And yes, they can retain that much
And should

you think the suitors should? would? get real

 

[duhmetreE]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

 

[RangersFan1994]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

Trade one of consistent physical defenseman the Rangers have. Rather trade K'Andre Miller over Schneider. I guess Rangers fans love soft defense that doesn't hit or play defense. What's next resign Ryan Lindgren this summer. It would cost way more than Schneider for Peterka.

 

[n8]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

If you ask Buffalo fans, far off.
But also note, JJP is getting upper $7M to low $8M AAV
We're gonna need to dump cap to accommodate.
Our LW is also flooded.

 

[Machinehead]

Trade one of consistent physical defenseman the Rangers have. Rather trade K'Andre Miller over Schneider. I guess Rangers fans love soft defense that doesn't hit or play defense. What's next resign Ryan Lindgren this summer. It would cost way more than Schneider for Peterka.

Schneider doesn't play defense.

Physicality, I'll give him credit. He doesn't shy away.

But defense? Guys go around him like he's a crossing guard 6 weeks from social security benefits.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Schneider doesn't play defense.

Physicality, I'll give him credit. He doesn't shy away.

But defense? Guys go around him like he's a crossing guard 6 weeks from social security benefits.

Hes better than KAM.

 

[Alluckks]

Schneider doesn't play defense.

Physicality, I'll give him credit. He doesn't shy away.

But defense? Guys go around him like he's a crossing guard 6 weeks from social security benefits.

Which is exactly why I'd have no problem moving him + a winger prospect for Byram

Byram can at least handle larger minutes and move the puck consistently well

 

[haohmaru]

A well managed organization doesn't trade Zibanejad and retain 21M+ in salary for 5 years because Bern doesn't like him
A well managed organization would have listened to bern and not given Zib or any other player a full nmc like this and the bs excuse other teams do it does not cut it. Extensive ntc where warranted must suffice, if not too effin bad, and move on.

As to what's done is done, we either HOPE he straightens out, or we deal him and eliminate that risk. Now.
This is a guy who wigged out and cannot be expected to perform as full player going forward, and admit it, the closer to his mid 30s, the worse this is gonna be.
The worse he gets, the harder he will be to unload
It IS better to be rid of him just to set an example and establish NO MORE BULLSHIT
period.
But if you want to emphasize other considerations the lower his salary = the lower the risk for a suitor = more bidders = drive up the price.
So yr effort to throw shade and mud on me can capitulate to the above logic, which is based on fact.

Full NMC's are a cost of signing upper echelon players. You won't sign ANYONE that's worth a shit without them. This goes back to my realism argument - you aren't being realistic. Eichel trade fell through and didn't happen and the Rangers were locking up a top ~20 center, on a decent contract, for years. The full NMC is part of why he wasn't paid even MORE.

He's not "dealable", doesn't want to be dealt, and finished strong. I agree - hopefully he puts this shit season behind him and has his shit together. That would be best for everyone.

and hang on to Kreider, an asset that really is moveable, because Bern does.
yes, you COULD get a sucker
and yes, you only need one.
BUT
if we are honest as to percentages,
Kreider was damaged goods and there is no reason for any club to pay, let alone overpay, at present.
IF IF IF inexplicably he is crushing it and looks fully healed and has demonstrated that first half of the season, you might get a good offer-> return
but not now
Now you only get chump change offers

And remember, it is possible to LTIR Kreider

And again I think you undervalue Kreider and what he'll return. You did that with Lindgren and with Trouba. The assets that will come back in a Kreider trade will surprise you. He's got the easiest contract to move that has a significant cap hit attached to it and, by reports, the two sides seem to be ready to move in different directions.

The most realistic pieces that the Rangers have in play are Kreider, KAM, Schneider, 12th OA possibly Lafreniere, & possibly Artemi at the deadline. Those are the assets that should be in discussion.
Any/all pieces should be in play IF high enuf return
KAM + Schneid I expect to be worth more to us in most scenarios so worth keeping
bread has to go so he does not walk for nothing and we are not extending him
zib's sorry ass has to go = addition by subtraction

Only Zib's sorry ass can decide if his sorry ass has to go. And, as previously stated, he's still a productive player. I'm not happy with last season but I'm not writing off the rest of his career.

I will not capitulate as to Fox/Shesty kept under any/all circumstances.
Should being moved IF HIGH ENUF offer on the table b'c soon we will be married to them

Not trading the guy you just signed to an 8 year deal that's routinely the best goalie in the playoffs and the 1D that you can't replace.
Garand is fab, but he does not have NHL track record
You sell high on Shesty now, gamble on Garand

PLUS AGAIN, this team HAS TOO MANY FUGGIN HOLES
we need ample quality youth to start going in the other direction

til time permits...

Garand needs to start here as a backup after Quick hangs it up - WAY too much pressure on a young goalie. Most crumble under the pressure and you have a better goalie already in Shesterkin.

 

[Machinehead]

Hes better than KAM.

Not really. They get scored on at identical rates, with Schneider facing considerably weaker competition, especially under Laviolette who pretty much used 79-8 as his shutdown pair.

 

[bernmeister]

Full NMC's are a cost of signing upper echelon players. You won't sign ANYONE that's worth a shit without them. This goes back to my realism argument - you aren't being realistic. Eichel trade fell through and didn't happen and the Rangers were locking up a top ~20 center, on a decent contract, for years. The full NMC is part of why he wasn't paid even MORE.

He's not "dealable", doesn't want to be dealt, and finished strong. I agree - hopefully he puts this shit season behind him and has his shit together. That would be best for everyone.

And again I think you undervalue Kreider and what he'll return. You did that with Lindgren and with Trouba. The assets that will come back in a Kreider trade will surprise you. He's got the easiest contract to move that has a significant cap hit attached to it and, by reports, the two sides seem to be ready to move in different directions.

Only Zib's sorry ass can decide if his sorry ass has to go. And, as previously stated, he's still a productive player. I'm not happy with last season but I'm not writing off the rest of his career.

Garand needs to start here as a backup after Quick hangs it up - WAY too much pressure on a young goalie. Most crumble under the pressure and you have a better goalie already in Shesterkin.

Full NMC's are a cost of signing upper echelon players. You won't sign ANYONE that's worth a shit without them. This goes back to my realism argument - you aren't being realistic. Eichel trade fell through and didn't happen and the Rangers were locking up a top ~20 center, on a decent contract, for years. The full NMC is part of why he wasn't paid even MORE.
disagree
Maybe you won't get the very very highest
but you will get many incl sufficiently high

mo important, you break the cycle

as to Eich, the key there was he properly insisted on a special surgical procedure. There was risk and Sabes wanted suitor to absorb all risk
It was a gamble that paid off for vegas, but it could easily not have

He's not "dealable", doesn't want to be dealt, and finished strong. I agree - hopefully he puts this shit season behind him and has his shit together. That would be best for everyone.
He's dealable at a certain #
Whether or not he wants to be here depends on certain conditions and they can be changed
And NO, he did not finish strong -- some improved scoring totals, yes, but < min effort, no engagement, pissport defense

And again I think you undervalue Kreider and what he'll return. You did that with Lindgren and with Trouba. The assets that will come back in a Kreider trade will surprise you. He's got the easiest contract to move that has a significant cap hit attached to it and, by reports, the two sides seem to be ready to move in different directions.
I said it only takes one so you may be right, and wherever he is I hope his health returns
but on paper, no one should pay upfront

Only Zib's sorry ass can decide if his sorry ass has to go. And, as previously stated, he's still a productive player. I'm not happy with last season but I'm not writing off the rest of his career
Disagree
1. he can be nudged til he breaks
2. he is not that productive
3, he is entering downside not upside
4. move on for reasons stated


Garand needs to start here as a backup after Quick hangs it up - WAY too much pressure on a young goalie. Most crumble under the pressure and you have a better goalie already in Shesterkin.
Gar as backup would be pref, but that is not an option.
After whatev that target day is, that's it, then Shesty has full control

And you are 111% ignoring what Shesty returns

 

[effen]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

50c on the dollar

 

[The Crypto Guy]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

A long way off. A LONG way.

 

[NYR Viper]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

I think Schneider for Byram is closer in value than Peterka but I could be wrong. RD is a premier position compared to wing

 

[TGWL]

NO
I was right to be one of few that vocal then, and I am correct now to say no more.

And yes, they can retain that much
And should

you think the suitors should? would? get real

I don't even know what that means. I think suitors should what?

Again, nobody wanted him to have a NMC. Stop pretending you were one of the few. Anybody that said "We should sign Zibanejad" didn't say, sign him at him that cap/term with a NMC.

 

[dshea19]

Regarding O’Brien: I don’t know anything about him, but people passed on Jason Robertson because of his wheels. The real question, at the end of the day, is can he play impact hockey? That is always the draft gamble. I’m not advocating for him to be drafted. I’m just saying that some players don’t let their perceived weaknesses hold them back. Too many drafts where people are calling some players home runs, then the players never put it together. Kakko and Laf were can’t miss stars who are serviceable players but far from stars.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

In 2022 I felt like Bjorkstrand would’ve been a nice cheap replacement for a few years to alleviate the Buch hole. Ehlers would be the next one

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't even know what that means. I think suitors should what?

Again, nobody wanted him to have a NMC. Stop pretending you were one of the few. Anybody that said "We should sign Zibanejad" didn't say, sign him at him that cap/term with a NMC.

seriously. We assumed regression in Mika's game at the back end, but he had been playing insanely good hockey before signing that contract. We're lucky it wasn't higher.
He was a legit 1c, maybe not in terms of physicality, but he was playing good defense, and putting up points.

 

[NYRnine94]

If people want to trade Schneider and/or Miller then ok, who replaces them? Whether you think they are good or not, they are starters on this team and we need replacements if you move them. I guess you can get a dman back, especially if you go the Byram route but he just replaces Miller. Still need a RD unless you're signing someone.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

If people want to trade Schneider and/or Miller then ok, who replaces them? Whether you think they are good or not, they are starters on this team and we need replacements if you move them. I guess you can get a dman back, especially if you go the Byram route but he just replaces Miller. Still need a RD unless you're signing someone.

Easy with kandre. You sign Provorov and deangelo.

Provorov-Fox
Schneider-Borgen
Vaak-DeAngelo

Deangelo coming back to nyr is alot more realistic than people think

If you move schneider its likely for a LHD

 

[NYRnine94]

Easy with kandre. You sign Provorov and deangelo.

Provorov-Fox
Schneider-Borgen
Vaak-DeAngelo

Deangelo coming back to nyr is alot more realistic than people think

If you move schneider its likely for a LHD

What makes you think we would sign DeAngelo?

 

[n8]

I wonder if Seattle has fond enough memories of Soucy to trade Oleksiak for him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Report: New York Rangers May Add Russian Goalie Coach to Staff

The New York Rangers consider adding famed Russian goalie coach Rashit Davydov, instrumental in Igor Shesterkin’s career, pending his family decision

rg.org

Interesting

 

[Fitzy]

how far off is Schneider for Peterka?

Schneider is in that John Moore territory when Moore was part of the package for Yandle. He's probably worth an early 2nd. The league really likes Peterka. I think a lot of teams see him as a consistent PPG wing on a good team with assets that don't register on the stat sheet. Schneider is probably half that value at best.

Miller for Peterka probably has the Rangers adding a piece, at least from my computer chair.

But I also don't get the Schneider hate. He's perfectly fine as a 3rd pairing guy here for what he's being paid.

 

[Siddi]

seriously. We assumed regression in Mika's game at the back end, but he had been playing insanely good hockey before signing that contract. We're lucky it wasn't higher.
He was a legit 1c, maybe not in terms of physicality, but he was playing good defense, and putting up points.

Truth!

Would have been 1 mil+ higher AAV if not for the NMC. Mika left money on the table to stay a Ranger for the rest of his career.