Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Bob Richards]

Trading for your former captain is an interesting one. How many times has that happened

 

[Machinehead]

I couldnt believe the people pining for Gorton because the Canadiens got a charity playoff spot( gifted too them by this season's gutless rangers, I might add) and won 1 game against a capitals team we swept a year ago. Gorton and Bobrov are pulling the same shit in Montreal. I totaly agree with you on drury that he's been so/so, but there's some serious drury derangement syndrome among the fanbase. the guy got a 2nd round pick + for ryan Lindgren!

I think people got their boner going for Gorton because Montreal is getting a lot out of Caufield and Suzuki, and their "development!"

Yeah, players Gorton didn't draft are good at hockey. Imagine?

 

[Tawnos]

Trading for your former captain is an interesting one. How many times has that happened

Linden is the only one I can think of. There are several free agents, but trades… not really.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I couldnt believe the people pining for Gorton because the Canadiens got a charity playoff spot( gifted too them by this season's gutless rangers, I might add) and won 1 game against a capitals team we swept a year ago. Gorton and Bobrov are pulling the same shit in Montreal. I totaly agree with you on drury that he's been so/so, but there's some serious drury derangement syndrome among the fanbase. the guy got a 2nd round pick + for ryan Lindgren!

Generally speaking, GMs get too much credit/hate. There are exceptions in both directions but generally they’re cut from the same cloth.

We live in a world where Ryan Lindgren was worth more in a trade than Reilly Smith and that would have been a sentiment shared by most GMs. Only one of those guys is any good and it’s not the one who is valued more.

 

[Mugless]

Mika vs. Drury:

 

[bhamill]

I agree but if they need cap relief do we have to include any pick?

I hope not.

 

[NickyFotiu]

There’s some legitimacy to that when you’re just talking about an individual or two, but it wasn’t in this case. When it’s a whole group that’s mad, that stuff feeds on itself until something effectively breaks the cycle. And having something to do it is harder in the midst of a season. An offseason will hopefully do it.

I think naming Trocheck captain when he was trying to take a hold of the team in December and January could have been that kind of disrupting force. Firing Laviolette could have been too. So there were proactive moves that could’ve been made to try to change things, but none of them were tried. If they’d managed to put together a long winning streak, it could’ve happened then too… but this was also just a really bad season for puck luck. There were so many times where a player didn’t score on a great chance where I thought “last year, that goes in.”

Outside of a couple of guys I think the quitting stuff is a bit overplayed. I think they are getting older, have slowed, had injuries and their effort declined.

 

[bhamill]

Outside of a couple of guys I think the quitting stuff is a bit overplayed. I think they are getting older, have slowed, had injuries and their effort declined.

I'm 63. In my experience, effort is not a thing that just "declines"... the physical stuff? Yeah. Totally. I get that, I've had it happen. Things that used to heal in a few days take WEEKS... But just not trying? To me that is quitting. Maybe I think about it that way BECAUSE I'm old. I don't know.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm 63. In my experience, effort is not a thing that just "declines"... the physical stuff? Yeah. Totally. I get that, I've had it happen. Things that used to heal in a few days take WEEKS... But just not trying? To me that is quitting. Maybe I think about it that way BECAUSE I'm old. I don't know.

I think it does. I don't think the skill deteriates for some players but the willingness to do the unpleasant things does. I'm not talking out right quitting that 1-3 guys may have done in some games but when we age we are more likely to skate hard for a goal than to prevent a goal. Guys just get to a point where thats enough. Shouldn't be in their early 30s though.

 

[bhamill]

I think it does. I don't think the skill deteriates for some players but the willingness to do the unpleasant things does. I'm not talking out right quitting that 1-3 guys may have done in some games but when we age we are more likely to skate hard for a goal than to prevent a goal.

This might be another unpopular opinion, but IMO the minute a player loses the DESIRE to give his best effort, he should consider hanging it up. Mental aging and physical aging are not the same. I'm not saying that about players realizing they cant physically go at 100% all of the time and trying to be smart by conserving, I'm talking about just not being willing. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?" I get THAT. But "the spirit is weak"? Time to go...

 

[Guyute]

Why would Tampa trade McDonagh? They just brought him back and he had a really good year there. I don't see why they would unless they're absolutely desperate for cap space.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This might be another unpopular opinion, but IMO the minute a player loses the DESIRE to give his best effort, he should consider hanging it up. Mental aging and physical aging are not the same. I'm not saying that about players realizing they cant physically go at 100% all of the time and trying to be smart by conserving, I'm talking about just not being willing. "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?" I get THAT. But "the spirit is weak"? Time to go...

I agree with you. Its a strange thing in that your mind thinks you can do it but the heart says maybe not. Its like Bread trying to tie a game last year. On offense he felt like he still had legs to tie the game but the minute the puck went the other way he knew he was gassed. Or Phil Esposito. Leads the team in goals and points in an all star year. The very next year he realizes he just doesn't have the hunger anymore after like 30 games and retires. Many people aren't thrilled with the effort of a few of our guys. I suspect 1-2 of them may bounce back a bit but they will never be the guys they were 2 years ago again. I think they lost that hunger. Then again I could be 109% wrong. Wouldn't be the first time lol

 

[n8]

I agree but if they need cap relief do we have to include any pick?

Seriously, the last time they did this, they received an AHL player and an impending UFA so basically gave McD away. Soucy will magically play much better in TB because Rongos.

 

[MrAlmost]

I'm not sure Tampa is in that much of a cap pinch, but if this were something, I would add Othmann and get Howard.

McDonagh and Howard for Soucy, Othmann and a 3rd.

 

[TGWL]

I agree but if they need cap relief do we have to include any pick?

Considering Soucy's rep right now is beer league defensemen, yeah, we probably need to include a 3rd. Maybe Soucy performs better with Tampa, but last year has probably sourced teams and they'd want something added, especially since I think they can find teams interested in McDonagh.

 

[will1066]

The Rangers bringing back JT Miller and Ryan McDonagh, with nothing on the current roster to show for the original trade, should put to bed any notion that Jeff Gorton was a good executive for this team.

That being said, both guys can still play at a high level, and McDonagh is jut about the perfect veteran partner for Fox

Savage

 

[RangersFan1994]

If you have any offer of Zib for Rossi and Hartman and Zib agrees to waive you take that and run. Rossi is small but he can be a PITA and goes somewhere most on this team doesn't go, right to the center of the ice/net. Hartman is another piece I think fans will enjoy and is more than just cap coming back.

Then if you can trade Zacha for Kreider the team has the depth at forward as well as many players that can play center (Rossi, Trocheck, Zacha, Miller, Edstrom, Carrick) in the lineup.

Then use some of that cap space to get a LD.

Cuylle - Miller - Rossi
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Othmann - Zacha - Hartman
Carrick - Edstrom - Rempe
Brodz/Berard

Rempe also has taken faceoffs this past season and did pretty well for his skill set. Cuylle has taken faceoffs in juniors and played some center at times and also did well when he had to step in when someone got kicked out of the faceoff. Having multiple players good at faceoffs can help this organization big time

 

[effen]

Makes a lot of sense, but I think that price tag is optimistic.

People balking at a third round pick is peak comedy. Oh yeah guys. THATS the line you draw in the sand.

 

[NYR Viper]

Considering Soucy's rep right now is beer league defensemen, yeah, we probably need to include a 3rd. Maybe Soucy performs better with Tampa, but last year has probably sourced teams and they'd want something added, especially since I think they can find teams interested in McDonagh.

They may believe that they won't be able to re-sign him so best to move him off and get back someone who they like and they may be able to re-sign a well as open up some cap space to do other things. They aren't in a crunch but they are tight. If they want to be active and improve the roster they don't have that type of cap space

 

[NickyFotiu]

Considering Soucy's rep right now is beer league defensemen, yeah, we probably need to include a 3rd. Maybe Soucy performs better with Tampa, but last year has probably sourced teams and they'd want something added, especially since I think they can find teams interested in McDonagh.

Id like McD but can't do a 3rd

 

[effen]

This is the Adam Fox deal all over again where the entire board was adamant they would never do more than a 4th rounder for his rights, that a 3rd was a bridge too far. For Adam Fox.

 

[NYR Viper]

This is the Adam Fox deal all over again where the entire board was adamant they would never do more than a 4th rounder for his rights, that a 3rd was a bridge too far. For Adam Fox.

Well Adam Fox was just coming out of school at the ripe old age of 21. McDonagh is 37. That's a slight different

And this goes back to my original point. If the Rangers feel like they can re-sign McDonagh to a 2 year deal and think he will hold up, I'm game for this. But if the plan is to drop another 3rd rounder just to get McDonagh for 1 season, I'm out. Too much of that happening...

 

[effen]

Well Adam Fox was just coming out of school at the ripe old age of 21. McDonagh is 37. That's a slight different

It's tripping over dollars to pick up pennies. Like, Soucy and a 3rd is maybe 50c on the dollar for a single year of 37 year old Ryan McDonagh and the discussion here isn't the 50c on the dollar part, it's how can we knock that shit down to 48.5c. Video game brain.

 

[TGWL]

Id like McD but can't do a 3rd

I'm doing a 3rd to never see Soucy on the rink again for our team.

 

[Machinehead]

Why would Tampa trade McDonagh? They just brought him back and he had a really good year there. I don't see why they would unless they're absolutely desperate for cap space.

I get the feeling they might just be looking to shake things up.