Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Overcast]

Vancouver is very temperate and has 70 golf courses within 20 miles of the city. I doubt that lines up with your theory.

Florida also has well over 1000 golf courses, more than any other state.

Maybe that was the problem in Tampa. He was playing TOO much golf.

 

[bleedblue94]

Cue that guy telling us they want Boeser. The worst contract waiting to happen in my opinion.

Be careful bc there has been boeser to nyr nonsense floated as well already. All depends how much nyr is able to trade out though.

I still keep wondering if Panarin ends up in minny for the one year. Nyr retains 50 percent and rossi comes back.maybe a draft pick swap included. Depends if Panarin and kaprizov want to play together and the sell job that takes place.

 

[mike14]

Be careful bc there has been boeser to nyr nonsense floated as well already. All depends how much nyr is able to trade out though.

I still keep wondering if Panarin ends up in mommy for the one year. Nyr retains 50 percent and rossi comes back.maybe a draft pick swap included. Depends if Panarin and kaprizov want to play together and the sell job that takes place.

 

[bleedblue94]

You know why JTM had his career years in Vancouver? Because unlike NY and especially Tampa he couldn’t play golf there.

JTM just zeroed in on being his best player. He's always been an alpha and when he was younger he was an arrogant dick. He got older and now he's a dick that demands effort from his teammates. All you need is to watch the leaked video of Alvin last week to get confirmation. I'm fairly confident that Alvin wanted to trade EP but Rutherford wouldn't let him do it which forced them to trade Miller. They literally traded away the guy that works harder, came to camp more prepared and in better shape, and demanded more from his teammates so they could keep the younger players that isn't taking his career as serious. Canucks knew they were heading to a mess (they know what's coming with Hughes) and chose to play the long game, and Alvin has Rutherford willing to take the bullet on this mess if EP completely blows up in their face. Rutherford has even stated it was his decision to keep EP instead of Miller when others in the org felt differently. Miller is not an issue here, he's an attitude that was needed in that locker room and he's a damn good player...

 

[bleedblue94]

Stupid auto correct ha

 

[RangersFan1994]

Sign Cuylle to an 8 year deal now. Long term or bust for him

 

[Alluckks]

Stupid auto correct ha

Mother's day themed auto correct

 

[bleedblue94]

Mother's day themed auto correct

Or I need to wonder what algorithm Google was using on that one haha

 

[n8]

Sign Cuylle to an 8 year deal now. Long term or bust for him

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What's the AAV gonna be?
The 2nd round compensation threshold is what, around $4.685m?
Matt Coronato just signed a 7 x $6,5M extension with 47 points last season so I'm expecting something similar.

 

[IDvsEGO]

What's the AAV gonna be?
The 2nd round compensation threshold is what, around $4.685m?
Matt Coronato just signed a 7 x $6,5M extension with 47 points last season so I'm expecting something similar.

that’s actually a really good/scary comp.
Coronato put up 47 on a bad bad Calgary team. He did it with pp minutes.
Cuylle did it on a medium bad rangers team.
With tiny amounts of pp time.

I’m just not sure we have the cap to go long term like that until after we move ck. Which puts us in a slight bind.

 

[RangerBoy]

I like Rossi but why acquire him to ship him off? Wouldn’t the Rangers rather sign him and develop him?

Rossi doesn't appear to be the type of player a team wins with in the playoffs. He isn't very big listed at 5-9 185. The Rangers really need to build a bigger team built for playoff hockey. Rossi is a talented player and maybe other teams don't care about the playoffs. They are content making the playoffs. It appears Rossi is looking for a big contract. He turned down $25M from Minnesota. Perhaps Rossi doesn't want to stay in Minnesota where it seems nobody has any faith in him. Minnesota could offer him $40M for 5 years and he still might turn it down if the Wild are going to jerk him around. The Rangers need to build a bigger team built for the playoffs.

 

[RangerBoy]

Panarin's money drops in the last season of his contract. $1M base. $7M SB which is not a crazy number. Drury needs to make this deal happen. Panarin gets his contract extension in exchange for waiving his NMC. The Rangers pay the $7M bonus. Anaheim is perfect for Panarin with Quenneville being there now. Quenneville gave Panarin his nickname because Artem Anisimov was called Arty. They can't call Panarin "Arty". It became bread. The Ducks ownership is sick of losing. Verbeek needs to produce. The time for accumulating assets is over. Strome is in Anaheim. Drury and Verbeek have made a major trade involving Trouba.

Perhaps LA becomes an option for Panarin with Holland there now. Maybe Holland hires Woodcroft in LA. The Kings dump Hiller's defense first system. Holland and Woodcroft were together in Detroit and Edmonton. Holland is not on the 5 year plan. He signed a short term deal in LA and he turns 70 later this year. Win now.

 

[McRanger92]

Be careful bc there has been boeser to nyr nonsense floated as well already. All depends how much nyr is able to trade out though.

I still keep wondering if Panarin ends up in minny for the one year. Nyr retains 50 percent and rossi comes back.maybe a draft pick swap included. Depends if Panarin and kaprizov want to play together and the sell job that takes place.

Mika for Rossi makes more sense for both team imo. Mika goes to Minny who needs a top 6 C and has a bunch of Swedes and Zuccarello who he is familiar with. Rossi strikes me as the same type of player as Brassard and Zibanejad were before. Unwanted player by his team who could use a change. Continue the cycle.

Kreider to Boston already seems to be gaining steam in some social media circle. I think both sides fanbases are thinking it. Zacha would be a good fit. Solid 2 way 3C. I think both trades are doable if both the player and management are upfront about it.

 

[Takeahnase]

This is the equivalent of the early rounds of the Kumite. Cuylle round house kicks the fighter from France, bows to him in respect, bows to the ref, then takes a seat to wait for his next opponent with one eye trained on Chong Li.

OK USA

 

[McRanger92]

Sign Cuylle to an 8 year deal now. Long term or bust for him

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Id throw a big offer sheet Knies way if we could move out the kreider/Zibanejad money. Even just to f*** over Toronto with the Cap.

 

[McRanger92]

that’s actually a really good/scary comp.
Coronato put up 47 on a bad bad Calgary team. He did it with pp minutes.
Cuylle did it on a medium bad rangers team.
With tiny amounts of pp time.

I’m just not sure we have the cap to go long term like that until after we move ck. Which puts us in a slight bind.

Sign Cuylle for 7x6.5 and you'll be thanking God you did in 2 years. He is a key piece for us on a team of softies.

 

[NYR Viper]

Rossi doesn't appear to be the type of player a team wins with in the playoffs. He isn't very big listed at 5-9 185. The Rangers really need to build a bigger team built for playoff hockey. Rossi is a talented player and maybe other teams don't care about the playoffs. They are content making the playoffs. It appears Rossi is looking for a big contract. He turned down $25M from Minnesota. Perhaps Rossi doesn't want to stay in Minnesota where it seems nobody has any faith in him. Minnesota could offer him $40M for 5 years and he still might turn it down if the Wild are going to jerk him around. The Rangers need to build a bigger team built for the playoffs.

Rossi is a smaller forward, yes, but he's pretty tenacious. I wouldn't just toss him overboard. Age 23, he had 60 points in 82 games with only 16 of those coming on the PP. He drives offense.

 

[NYR Viper]

Sign Cuylle for 7x6.5 and you'll be thanking God you did in 2 years. He is a key piece for us on a team of softies.

Any extension for Cuylle should be for 8 years. If you're going to pay him more now to save on the back-end, make it 8

 

[McRanger92]

Rossi is a smaller forward, yes, but he's pretty tenacious. I wouldn't just toss him overboard. Age 23, he had 60 points in 82 games with only 16 of those coming on the PP. He drives offense.

Marco Rossi scores a lot of goals between the circles. Judging him on his height and weight just means that you havent seen him play. This is the guy for the Rangers. He checks every box. I hope Drury, Guerin and Sullivan have chatted about him in the USA Hockey group chat.

 

[will1066]

OK USA

Thumbs up. Classic

 

[archanfelnsx]

What's the AAV gonna be?
The 2nd round compensation threshold is what, around $4.685m?
Matt Coronato just signed a 7 x $6,5M extension with 47 points last season so I'm expecting something similar.

If Cuylle expects that type of contract, he can sign it elsewhere and the Rangers should not match.

 

[bhamill]

The line in there that resonated with how I've looked at the whole thing is when Joe says that "you have to get your employees to want to want to work." Like he said, organizational failure from top to bottom, including from the players. But I've probably written enough about this at this point

Pride and the drive to win is what is supposed to get players wanting to work. This is exactly the problem with some of these motherf***ers. I’m sure if Drury was a prince and sent each player a personalized greeting and flowers, maybe some Harry and David fruit baskets, on their f***ing birthdays we would have won the Cup… yeah. That’s sarcasm. D’uh.
I’m sorry but that whole narrative is about entitlement. These guys are paid extremely well. Mika is basically paid 100k a game. He’s going to quit on the team, the fans and HIMSELF because he doesn’t like the way the GM handled something? He’s not being paid to like Drury. He’s being paid to play f***ing hockey. Play it, motherf***er or waive your no trade clause and we’ll find you a kinder gentler management team somewhere else. This shit is ridiculous. Hahaha.
Disclaimer: just using Mika as the poster boy. It wasn’t just him obviously. It’s not just a Mika thing.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Cuylle expects that type of contract, he can sign it elsewhere and the Rangers should not match.

I think this may be a scenario where we start to see where solid middle-6 players, especially those who bring other qualities outside of just scoring, are going to be hovering in that $6-8m range pretty regularly. That is also why I am less concerned with JT Miller's contract. He's a 1C now, but if he slides back to 2C it's still a good value deal.

 

[bhamill]

A salary doesn't magically make you like working where you don't want to work.

The salary just guarantees that you show up, and probably even less so the bigger it gets, because a guy like Mika Zibanejad can afford to just quit and never work again if he wanted to.

I'm not attempting to re-litigate who was right or wrong in that situation, I'm just saying you can't write off every potential problem as "oh well, you were paid."

I don't want our players to be motivated by money. Not in this world where the talent is the 99th percentile of the 99th percentile, and preparation/focus are paramount.

That doesn't mean there's an environment where people are always happy, and sometimes they have to tough it out, but you can't hand-wave problems because the players are rich.

The salary isn’t just so you “show up,” it’s so you do your job. You think if some line cook just comes in and goes through the motions, backs up the kitchen, makes subpar food at a snails pace he’s earning his salary? He’s not. And neither did any player who quit on this team over Drury. It’s not like Drury is in that locker room every day making a hostile work environment, if he was I could understand it, even a full revolt (and prefer it to moping and quitting, at least it shows you care), but that’s not the case. How often do they even deal with him? He made a move they didn’t like in a fashion they didn’t like. Welcome to the real world. My heart bleeds for them.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Id throw a big offer sheet Knies way if we could move out the kreider/Zibanejad money. Even just to f*** over Toronto with the Cap.

Id resign Cuylle before I hand put offer sheets. He better be #1 priority