Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Would Anaheim trade Mintyukov? He had a down year and they’re pretty loaded on defense.

Zegras + Mintyukov + ________ for Panarin

Zibanejad + Jones for Lindholm + 2nd

Kreider + Soucy for Colton + 1st ‘27

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I like it but I’m meh on Zegras. I’d rather sign Marner if that’s the route we’re going.

Ultimately, we have to save space for next offseason in the event we can sign one of McDavid, Kaprizov, Eichel or Necas.
 
If someone makes an irrational statement that we should limit the icetime of one of the teams top scorers I will challenge that. Whether the player in question is Mika or someone else.

I will also call out the double standard in regards to JT. And I am not the only one calling BS on that.
If a player (any player) is not playing up to expectations a playing time reduction is not unusual. Zibs played 18 minutes a game last season. That was his lowest in many years.

We all age. We all slow down. I have no problem with that. I do have a concern if a player is quitting though and that is why I want the team to speak to Zibs. If Zibs says he was giving 100% then I accept his word. If Zibs says he was not giving 100% because of some sort of Goodrow/Trouba nonsense then I would be concerned. Players jobs are to play not be GM as Brian Boyle and othets correctly pointed out.
 
Willpower and tenacity is a trait that can be trained/increased. It is also a trait that can be depleted.

I feel it’s fairly obvious that it’s been depleted in some of our players.
That is true and why some players careers seemingly just fall off the table production wise. Its like a heavyweight fighter who looks dominant but by the 5th round has punched himself out and has little left to give. Ive seen guys retire 30-40 games in to disappointing seasons after leading their teams in goals/points the previous season. They just realized it was time. Their tank was depleted.
 
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Machine is underrating Trocheck a bit, but he's right that Miller-Tro doesn't set us apart from the pack as a 1-2 combo which is why we need a sterling third line.

A lt of you have good plans to sign a big UFA or make a big trade for a LD and that's good and needed. But we really need both.

1) 3 lines of great depth
2) A new top 2 left D

In order for me to even start to think of considering us a comptitive roster next year. I've yet to see proposals that can do both these things in one offseason, which is not a cause for optimism.

What I wouldn't give for a random Kevin Hayes freebie to descend from heaven and give us an instant rookie ELC contributor in the top 9. Still praying that in the right situation Othmann could give us 20-20 from a solid scoring third line next year. I think that will require a good center, and perhaps one more quality wing on the 3rd as well.

Also... "Ain't nobody signing McDavid. Go on, git"
 
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Machine is underrating Trocheck a bit, but he's right that Miller-Tro doesn't set us apart from the pack as a 1-2 combo which is why we need a sterling third line.

A lt of you have good plans to sign a big UFA or make a big trade for a LD and that's good and needed. But we really need both.

1) 3 lines of great depth
2) A new top 2 left D

In order for me to even start to think of considering us a comptitive roster next year. I've yet to see proposals that can do both these things in one offseason, which is not a cause for optimism.

What I wouldn't give for a random Kevin Hayes freebie to descend from heaven and give us an instant rookie ELC contributor in the top 9. Still praying that in the right situation Othmann could give us 20-20 from a solid scoring third line next year. I think that will require a good center, and perhaps one more quality wing on the 3rd as well.
I understand your point but ideally we would find an elite 1st line center. I know its unlikely but McDavid is a free agent to be so its not impossible. I think a lot of teams are probably trying to see if there is any way they can pry him from Edmonton. I'd promise him unlimited ugly suits ☺️
 
I wish Mika would've taken a few games off to think about things and then come back and play with effort instead of being mired in emotionless play for MONTHS.

I'll take the Miller Approach for $500, Alex.
Sounds like some aggressive cope to me.

I’ve disliked Zibanejad for 2 years now, but I’m not about to start making excuses for the other guy that also quit on his team and gets traded often for being an asshole just because of some homoerotic fantasy about him being an alpha male 🤷‍♂️
 
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Pass on Necas. Will be overpaid for what he brings.
I don't think he's a fit without other pieces in place, but what do you consider an overpayment, and what do you think he brings?

Most players who put up points are going to find themselves making more money than most anticipated because the cap is rising. You can't just pay the players who check off all the boxes. There's not enough of them. He'll get a raise. It won't be Rantanen money, but I think those players are going to start getting near Mark Stone cap pretty soon.
 
Machine is underrating Trocheck a bit, but he's right that Miller-Tro doesn't set us apart from the pack as a 1-2 combo which is why we need a sterling third line.

A lt of you have good plans to sign a big UFA or make a big trade for a LD and that's good and needed. But we really need both.

1) 3 lines of great depth
2) A new top 2 left D

In order for me to even start to think of considering us a comptitive roster next year. I've yet to see proposals that can do both these things in one offseason, which is not a cause for optimism.

What I wouldn't give for a random Kevin Hayes freebie to descend from heaven and give us an instant rookie ELC contributor in the top 9. Still praying that in the right situation Othmann could give us 20-20 from a solid scoring third line next year. I think that will require a good center, and perhaps one more quality wing on the 3rd as well.

Also... "Ain't nobody signing McDavid. Go on, git"

Having a good 3rd line is a quality that is more common in cup winners than C depth.

It is one of the things that really hurt the Rangers last year. I know the 3rd line did work analytically but they combined for 3 goals the entire run. Our "star" player didn't do enough, but neither did they.
 
I don't think he's a fit without other pieces in place, but what do you consider an overpayment, and what do you think he brings?

Most players who put up points are going to find themselves making more money than most anticipated because the cap is rising. You can't just pay the players who check off all the boxes. There's not enough of them. He'll get a raise. It won't be Rantanen money, but I think those players are going to start getting near Mark Stone cap pretty soon.
He's a finesse winger who puts up points at a good but not elite level. He's never scored 30 goals and only has one season of point per game production. We have a better version of that in Panarin and that wasn't good enough to get us where we want to go.
 
He's a finesse winger who puts up points at a good but not elite level. He's never scored 30 goals and only has one season of point per game production. We have a better version of that in Panarin and that wasn't good enough to get us where we want to go.
Panarin's contract is expiring. I don't think there's a single player that's going to be good enough to get us where we need to go when the team has no structure and plays with half effort. I'm saying sign Necas or break the bank on him, because obviously you take the more elite players over him when you have that option, but those opportunities don't come around that often. Teams will have to sign more than just elite players, and those elite players are going to cost even more.
 
Sounds like some aggressive cope to me.

I’ve disliked Zibanejad for 2 years now, but I’m not about to start making excuses for the other guy that also quit on his team and gets traded often for being an asshole just because of some homoerotic fantasy about him being an alpha male 🤷‍♂️
Where is there evidence that either Tampa or Vancouver traded JTM because he was an asshole? He was an immature kid & he acknowledged he needed to grow up once he got to Vancouver, but it hasn't been an issue since. However the posters on this board who didn't like him 8 years ago have perpetuated this fallacy.

Tampa had cap issues & got a bigger return for him than they gave up. The coach, GM & President in Vancouver have all come out & supported him with what went on there. They chose to keep the younger guy, but it sounds like to a man they all regret the choice they made.

He's not a perfect player, but he's a proven elite scorer in this league & bringing him in for the assets we gave up was a no brainer. You can argue that team is aging out & we're not a contender with or without him, but even if that's the case, in a year or two, we'll still be able to deal him for more than we paid.
 
I guess but getting rid of mika contract wont be easy .
His salary isn't the issue...him refusing to waive is the problem. If Trouba can be traded without retention, they can find a taker for Mika, especially with a rising cap. He unfortunately doesn't want to leave, because, "he earned his contract".
 
His salary isn't the issue...him refusing to waive is the problem. If Trouba can be traded without retention, they can find a taker for Mika, especially with a rising cap. He unfortunately doesn't want to leave, because, "he earned his contract".
The earned his contract is an interesting thing. Zibs aside, if a player does earn his contract does he have to also live up to the standards of it each year to stay a NYR? Can a player earn a contract in 2021 and then decline each year but still feel entitled to a certain amount of playing time every year as a NYR? I feel the contract guarantees money but not playing time or a spot on the roster.
 
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Machine is underrating Trocheck a bit, but he's right that Miller-Tro doesn't set us apart from the pack as a 1-2 combo which is why we need a sterling third line.

A lt of you have good plans to sign a big UFA or make a big trade for a LD and that's good and needed. But we really need both.

1) 3 lines of great depth
2) A new top 2 left D

In order for me to even start to think of considering us a comptitive roster next year. I've yet to see proposals that can do both these things in one offseason, which is not a cause for optimism.

What I wouldn't give for a random Kevin Hayes freebie to descend from heaven and give us an instant rookie ELC contributor in the top 9. Still praying that in the right situation Othmann could give us 20-20 from a solid scoring third line next year. I think that will require a good center, and perhaps one more quality wing on the 3rd as well.

Also... "Ain't nobody signing McDavid. Go on, git"
Why do you not mention Zibanejad or maybe I missed something here you’re trying to address?
 
The earned his contract is an interesting thing. Zibs aside, if a player does earn his contract does he have to also live up to the standards of it each year to stay a NYR? Can a player earn a contract in 2021 and then decline each year but still feel entitled to a certain amount of playing time every year as a NYR? I feel the contract guarantees money but not playing time or a spot on the roster.
Players earn the right to negotiate and sign a big contract. Rarely do players actually earn that contract they're about to sign in full. The organization hopes it works out or you benefit from most of the contract given out. For players, yeah, a lot of them view it as they already earned it. Nobody wants to be shitted on by the media, and everybody wants to be playing.

But there's no performance reviews here for teams getting out of their signings. I think it's easier to justify putting a lot of money in the press box or glued to the bench when you have a roster of players taking advance of their minutes.
 
The Oilers opened the favorite to win the Stanley Cup at 6/1. That implies something around an 11-12% chance to win the cup. It's not 14.3% because there is vig. Let's say 12%.

If the Oilers were the favorite, with those odds, every year for five consecutive years (which is highly unlikely) they would be 47% to win at least one Stanley Cup in that period.

You are vastly underestimating just how likely it is for a team to win. Even if you are the best team in the league you are nowhere close to being a guarantee to win anything in your window.

Again, in any given year you are correct, but if McDavid doesn't win a Cup while paired with Draisaitl over the course of his enture Oilers tenure then it can be looked at as nothing but an abject failure by the Oilers management. They had the best player in the game and the best pair of forwards in the game for quite a long time.

It's more than simple betting odds.
 
You do know that nearly all teams (with the exceptions of examples like AZ who did not have the $ to properly do anything) are "aiming for winning a Cup", right? I mean, they all think that their plan is the correct one - just like you do. Only one team aims right every year though.

Actually, I don't really think that most teams are doing all they can to win a Cup.

Many franchises are more about making money.
 

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