Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[IDvsEGO]

Kreider is getting waived bye bye. I don’t like it but I’ve accepted it. 6.5 million in cap space is the asset

Kreider will not need to be waived.
He can’t block enough teams and there are teams that will move assets for him.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Boo f***ing Hoo at Trouba. Did Guentzl disclose that after he had verbally accepted an offer from the Hurricanes that he was going to sign in Tampa instead? We he nice about it? Did Colorado pull the rug out from underneath Rantannen (payback is a bitch) without telling the player about it?

It's a business. Both parties do what's best for themselves. If players aren't happy, then can ask for a trade and teams usually accommodate this.

And, honestly, if I were the Ducks I'd tell Trouba to stop talking about the Rangers.

Pretty sure trouba hasn’t said shit about the rangers since he left.

He gave a couple final interviews and that was it.
He was fairly professional about the whole thing.

The media blew it up, and hasn’t shut up about it.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Boo f***ing Hoo at Trouba. Did Guentzl disclose that after he had verbally accepted an offer from the Hurricanes that he was going to sign in Tampa instead? We he nice about it? Did Colorado pull the rug out from underneath Rantannen (payback is a bitch) without telling the player about it?

It's a business. Both parties do what's best for themselves. If players aren't happy, then can ask for a trade and teams usually accommodate this.

And, honestly, if I were the Ducks I'd tell Trouba to stop talking about the Rangers.

It is a tough business and I would rather it be more polite but my point is Drury only had 4 choices and out of the 4 choices the only choice acceptable to Trouba was the NYR continue to play him no matter how he played on the ice. That is a ridiculously entitled point of view in my opinion. The only choice Trouba was okay with would be Drury not doing what was best for the NYR.

Leetch was traded. Zooks was traded. McD was traded. I would side with all 3 of those players because they were traded for issues beyond their own play. Trouba was traded because his play was in a steep decline.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider will not need to be waived.
He can’t block enough teams and there are teams that will move assets for him.

Probably I’m just saying there’s a nuclear option the team isn’t afraid to use

 

[haohmaru]

Pretty sure trouba hasn’t said shit about the rangers since he left.

He gave a couple final interviews and that was it.
He was fairly professional about the whole thing.

The media blew it up, and hasn’t shut up about it.

Pretty sure you’re wrong.

This is dated 3/28 - about 4 months after the trade.

Ducks’ Jacob Trouba ‘not going to bad-mouth’ Rangers, but also isn’t backing down after trade

"I don’t feel bad about how it went down," Trouba said of his much-discussed move from New York to Anaheim.

www.nytimes.com

 

[haohmaru]

It is a tough business and I would rather it be more polite but my point is Drury only had 4 choices and out of the 4 choices the only choice acceptable to Trouba was the NYR continue to play him no matter how he played on the ice. That is a ridiculously entitled point of view in my opinion. The only choice Trouba was okay with would be Drury not doing what was best for the NYR.

Leetch was traded. Zooks was traded. McD was traded. I would side with all 3 of those players because they were traded for issues beyond their own play. Trouba was traded because his play was in a steep decline.

And for the cap hit.

Drury needed space to start remaking a roster that he clearly thought wasn’t good enough.

Honestly, once it was clear the Rangers wanted to move on from Trouba then the house of cards started to collapse. Can’t really have a dead man walking be your captain.

 

[McRanger92]

Pretty sure you’re wrong.

This is dated 3/28 - about 4 months after the trade.

Ducks’ Jacob Trouba ‘not going to bad-mouth’ Rangers, but also isn’t backing down after trade

"I don’t feel bad about how it went down," Trouba said of his much-discussed move from New York to Anaheim.

www.nytimes.com

Trouba was bad mouthing the rangers at his intro presser in Anaheim lol

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah. I’m not thrilled with the coercion, in Trouba’s case, but apparently it’s not unheard of, nor prohibited. I still look at the Goodrow thing as 100% fine. No one tried to coerce him, no one threatened him. No compensation from the claiming team. He was simply waived. That being said, Drury doing this isn’t a reason I’d want to get rid of him.

Goodrow and Trouba are still making the same amount of money. They, and the remaining vets whining about it should shut the f*** up at this point. Their play did enough talking

 

[IDvsEGO]

Pretty sure you’re wrong.

This is dated 3/28 - about 4 months after the trade.

Ducks’ Jacob Trouba ‘not going to bad-mouth’ Rangers, but also isn’t backing down after trade

"I don’t feel bad about how it went down," Trouba said of his much-discussed move from New York to Anaheim.

www.nytimes.com

You mean the article that the media wrote right before his first game against the rangers.

As I said, the media kept this going not trouba.

A post trade interview before the game is very common, and theres nothing unprofessional in it.

 

[Fitzy]

Neither side of these spats come out of this looking good, but the reality is that you don't get to quiet quit a full NHL season making 5 million+ dollars because you're upset that these guys negotiated more money over a full NMC and the franchise didn't treat them like they had a NMC out of the goodness o ftheir hearts.

 

[NYR Viper]

People shouldn’t be angry with Drury in the same way that people shouldn’t have been angry with how Trouba handled last offseason. It’s either you’re mad at both or neither. It’s business and both sides are trying to do what’s best for them.

 

[McRanger92]

People shouldn’t be angry with Drury in the same way that people shouldn’t have been angry with how Trouba handled last offseason. It’s either you’re mad at both or neither. It’s business and both sides are trying to do what’s best for them.

The people angry with Drury for being “mean” are the teenage daughters of season ticket holders with bedazzled Trouba “New York or Nowhere” jackets. It’s a business. There are more than enough contracts and trades to criticize Drury for. The players don’t get to skate on criticism because they read the blind praise of them on Twitter and Instagram.

It’s all so tiresome. What’s the path forward? That’s what the focus should be on.

 

[NYR Viper]

The reason to trade Kreider is to both recoup some assets for future use as well as to open up a wing spot. The teams depth is at wing. It makes little to no sense to continue allocating that type of cap space to that position with Berard, Othmann and Perrault as well as Cuylle and Lafreniere here. He’s also the simplest to move based on his limited NTC.

The reason to trade Panarin is basically the same thing as Kreider’s plus he has one year left and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to extend him here. Let him go somewhere that wants to extend him and recoup some assets for future use.

Zibanejad I think will be the toughest to move. Down year. Wasn’t playing center as much this season. 5 years left. This one is going to need to be more of a hockey trade.

Teams that are looking to move their chips to the center of the table or teams looking to take the next step are likely destinations. LA. Minnesota. Colorado. I’d say there may be an outside chance for teams like Utah, Tampa, Chicago and Anaheim. Some of these teams are going to want to change things up and drive for that next step, be it the playoffs or contending.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The reason to trade Kreider is to both recoup some assets for future use as well as to open up a wing spot. The teams depth is at wing. It makes little to no sense to continue allocating that type of cap space to that position with Berard, Othmann and Perrault as well as Cuylle and Lafreniere here. He’s also the simplest to move based on his limited NTC.

The reason to trade Panarin is basically the same thing as Kreider’s plus he has one year left and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to extend him here. Let him go somewhere that wants to extend him and recoup some assets for future use.

Zibanejad I think will be the toughest to move. Down year. Wasn’t playing center as much this season. 5 years left. This one is going to need to be more of a hockey trade.

Teams that are looking to move their chips to the center of the table or teams looking to take the next step are likely destinations. LA. Minnesota. Colorado. I’d say there may be an outside chance for teams like Utah, Tampa, Chicago and Anaheim. Some of these teams are going to want to change things up and drive for that next step, be it the playoffs or contending.

I think LA and Colorado make the most sense from a hockey perspective, but I dont think can make the cap work. but as you said Utah and some of the younger teams might actually make sense.

 

[McRanger92]

I think LA and Colorado make the most sense from a hockey perspective, but I dont think can make the cap work. but as you said Utah and some of the younger teams might actually make sense.

Drury better be on the horn with his former Cup teammates Sakic and Blake. Bill Guerin/USA Hockey connection with Minny too. Those are our best bets to move the veterans imo.

 

[n8]

Boo f***ing Hoo at Trouba. Did Guentzl disclose that after he had verbally accepted an offer from the Hurricanes that he was going to sign in Tampa instead? We he nice about it? Did Colorado pull the rug out from underneath Rantannen (payback is a bitch) without telling the player about it?

It's a business. Both parties do what's best for themselves. If players aren't happy, then can ask for a trade and teams usually accommodate this.

And, honestly, if I were the Ducks I'd tell Trouba to stop talking about the Rangers.

Did he say something new? The article posted above was from December.
EDIT: I see an Athletic article people are saying is from March?
So tired of hearing about Trouba. Living rent free in Ranger fans minds still.

 

[Vitto79]

Would Kreider have Minnesota and LA off his 15 team no trade ?

Could use a 3C like Hartman or just picks

 

[n8]

I hope Sullivan turns all our young wings into Bryan Rusts and Jake Guentzels but I doubt it.

PHRASING

There's certainly a way Sullivan and Drury can literally make that happen.
Lafreniere + Berard traded to PIT for Bryan Rust
Perrault + Othmann + Cuylle to TBL for Guentzel

 

[Profet]

Why is "TWENTY" in quotes and capitalized? That's how long he's been playing. And they won with him at (wing).

He's a GENERATIONAL winger, not a "franchise" winger.

MacKinnon is a GENERATIONAL center and he's won one in 12 years, is playing with a guy on a level that the Caps have never had (Makar), and just got bounced in the first round.

Are centers "more important" than wingers in the overall scheme of things? Sure.

The point of my post wasn't to debate the finer points of building a Cup winning team but rather that A LOT has to go right along the way no matter what your personnel is. Look at the Avalanche - two of probably the top 10 players in the game playing a team without two of its best players and their shaking hands after round one.

32 teams in the league. 3.1% chance your team is going to win the Cup. Those are horrendous odds. Look around at some of the franchise around the NHL - Leafs haven't been to a final, much less won the Cup, in 58 years. Canadians longer drought than us. Vancouver, Buffalo, Columbus, Utah/AZ, and on and on have never won a cup. Islanders 40+ years. Detroit no playoffs in almost a decade.

The NHL is a hard league. There's no magic formula to success. A lot can throw the train off the rails. Look at the Rangers this year. Cup favorites going into the season and it was a complete disaster.

If we're talking about center depth, how many teams have Miller/Zibanejad/Trocheck/Carrick level of center depth? And this team couldn't even make the playoffs. Are any of them Mackinnon level elite? No, but two of them have had 90+ point seasons. 3 of them 70+.

Being the last team standing in the NHL is a very difficult thing to do. And, of course, the two times the Rangers have has a 1OA or 2OA they made the pick that every team in the league would've made and end up with the short end of the stick.

Yes... winning the cup is incredibly hard. Even with generational talent at center and defense.

What I'm saying is that it's damn near impossible without it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Kreider for Zacha.

 

[CTRanger]

Pretty sure you’re wrong.

This is dated 3/28 - about 4 months after the trade.

Ducks’ Jacob Trouba ‘not going to bad-mouth’ Rangers, but also isn’t backing down after trade

"I don’t feel bad about how it went down," Trouba said of his much-discussed move from New York to Anaheim.

www.nytimes.com

This is the media bringing it back up again, not Trouba out of the blue.

 

[Tawnos]

You would think a player was required to submit his list on July 1st. If I was a GM I’d ask for every player who had a list to submit it July 1st whether I was planning to try to trade them or not.

Trouba was required to submit his list on July 1st. The problem stemmed from Drury trying to trade Trouba before July 1 when he was still under NMC. And again, without giving him a heads up about it first, which players on the team were already upset about him doing the same to Goodrow (the transaction part of it wasn't the same, but the lack of communication was). If I was a GM looking to trade a guy in June whose NMC turns into an M-NTC on July 1st, I'd ask him what his list is going to look like and first try to find a deal to a team that wouldn't be on it, before moving onto more ruthless, but valid options.

So what happened afaik is that drury approached trouba before he submitted the list.
Trouba asked for time and then gave the list blocking the teams drury gave. Covering himself.

No, that's not accurate. Drury tried to trade Trouba at the draft in June, without a heads up, while he was still under a NMC set to expire July 1 and got far down the road in trade negotiations with Detroit. The existence of negotiations that far down the road leaked out into the media. Trouba said wtf and then to Drury "no, I'm not interested in waiving for Detroit. I'll submit my list on July 1st." I'm sure there was some work from Drury at that point on the teams not on the list, but none of them had the cap space or interest in acquiring him, which was by design on Trouba's part.

People shouldn’t be angry with Drury in the same way that people shouldn’t have been angry with how Trouba handled last offseason. It’s either you’re mad at both or neither. It’s business and both sides are trying to do what’s best for them.

I was angry at both, for sure. Neither one handled the situation well. Drury's communication was very poor, and showed a lack of respect to the captain of his hockey team, even if the actions themselves were perfectly within his rights. Trouba's response, while also perfectly within his rights, was petty and personal. And then he failed to come into the season in a good mindset, which was totally in control.

At this point, though, I'm just feeding on my continuous annoyance that so many hockey fans forget that players are human beings.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

1. Zib to the Wild for Hartman, Heidt and a 2026 3rd.
2. Kreider to the Avs for Colton and Behrens.
3. Sign Garikov
4. K. Miller (Moved to the Right) for Peterka
5. Perrault starts in the minors

Cuylle - Miller - Peterka
Panarin - Trocheck - Laff
Colton - Hartman - Othmann
Carrick - Edstrom - Rempe
Berard/Brodz/Parssinen

Garikov - Fox
Schneider - Borgen
Soucy - Vaak/UFA vet
UFA vet/Vaak

 

[haohmaru]

This is the media bringing it back up again, not Trouba out of the blue.

Absolutely incorrect. Part of that article was interviewing him before the Ducks played the Rangers in March. On March 28th. Hence the article.

“I’m not reading about myself every day in the newspaper, reading about my family. So that’s nice. Yeah, obviously just very different situations but I’ve enjoyed coming here and kind of – relaxing isn’t the right word, but kind of having the time to take a breath and enjoy where I’m at. Kind of have a little bit more of an appreciation of where we want to go.”

 

[haohmaru]

Did he say something new? The article posted above was from December.
EDIT: I see an Athletic article people are saying is from March?
So tired of hearing about Trouba. Living rent free in Ranger fans minds still.

He did - it was before the Ducks played the Rangers.

And, yeah, enough about the Trouba/Goodrow effect. It's positively an embarrassment for this organization the way the players responded to this. And to themselves.