Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[LOFIN]

I wish Drury used good manners and there were no hard feelings. I assume Drury knew Goody would be picked up by SJ. So what is Drurys option? Not waive Goody and not do what he thinks is best for the team? I like Goody and Im sorry he feels slighted but maybe he also holds some responsibility. He had 8 points in 77 games. I can't imagine other teams were looking to pay him that kind of money.

I don't know if the situation could've been handled better in a way that would've still resulted in Goodrow's full salary being off the books, and that not costing us assets. Maybe it was possible, maybe not. In the end, like I said, it should not have had an effect on how the players acted this season. Be pissed about it for a week or two weeks, then get over it.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don't know if the situation could've been handled better in a way that would've still resulted in Goodrow's full salary being off the books, and that not costing us assets. Maybe it was possible, maybe not. In the end, like I said, it should not have had an effect on how the players acted this season. Be pissed about it for a week or two weeks, then get over it.

That is very reasonable. I agree.

 

[mike14]

My memory is bad so Im probably forgetting something but what did Drury do to Goody that other GMs wouldn't have done?

give him 6 years at $3.6m?

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

give him 6 years at $3.6m?

Most insane contract ever given to a 4th liner in history

 

[NickyFotiu]

give him 6 years at $3.6m?

Then he should be thankful

 

[Tawnos]

I don't know if the situation could've been handled better in a way that would've still resulted in Goodrow's full salary being off the books, and that not costing us assets. Maybe it was possible, maybe not. In the end, like I said, it should not have had an effect on how the players acted this season. Be pissed about it for a week or two weeks, then get over it.

I really think that, had it just been the poor communication and ruthless handling with Goodrow, they would have gotten over it. But then the Trouba stuff in June happened only a few days later, which have the same basic problem. And then I also think they would’ve gotten over both situations if Drury had been able to move Trouba then or at some point in the summer (which wasn’t really Drury’s fault).

Once the season started without Trouba’s situation resolved, you have a snow ball effect that ultimately lost Laviolette the team by December. The problem originally caused by Drury and then exacerbated by Trouba wasn’t gone, so the players weren’t over it. They should have been and they had another opportunity to get over it once Trouba was finally traded. Instead, they didn’t and we got the season we got.

Also, in the end I agree with whoever said it (I think Brooks). If you’re that upset about it as a player, ask for a damn trade.

 

[NYR Viper]

Mike Sullivan is going to love Adam Sykora

He’s going to love quite a few of the young forwards.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah, the difference being that Tampa actually gave McD the heads-up and he could somewhat pick his destination. Where as Drury didn't tell Goodrow anything, and instead knew that he would be picked up by a team which Goodrow specifically had on his NTC.

Why are we still going over the same damn thing here? There is a reason, Drury's methods sparked a reaction from the players not just within the Rangers, but around the league. Now, this doesn't excuse the players for their poor play. They need to get over it, period. But it has been gone over multiple times that what Drury did with Goodrow, and to an extent with Trouba but especially with Goodrow, was pretty unorthodox and definitely not something that has happened in a similar manner around the league, even with GMs that have been "ruthless" in improving their team.

I would say that the trouba situation was more inline with what happened to McD.
Goodrow was so bad that we simply didnt care about any return. Hence waivers.

 

[LeetchisGod]

He’s going to love quite a few of the young forwards.

We'll see. He could be another in a parade of coaches who doesn't prioritize developing our young players.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Most insane contract ever given to a 4th liner in history

its not so cut and dry. Drury messed up with the contract, but his agent definitely tampered.
We traded for his rights, and then the agent leaked "teams would go up to 3m x7.
So Drury messed up, but it wasnt so black and white

 

[Fitzy]

its not so cut and dry. Drury messed up with the contract, but his agent definitely tampered.
We traded for his rights, and then the agent leaked "teams would go up to 3m x7.
So Drury messed up, but it wasnt so black and white

They traded a 7th rounder for his rights.

Letting him go for free would not have been embarassing at all. It was a 7th round pick.

 

[Alluckks]

What do the fancy stats say on Brian Dumoulin? Saw his name being floated as a vet LD

 

[IDvsEGO]

They traded a 7th rounder for his rights.

Letting him go for free would not have been embarassing at all. It was a 7th round pick.

I dont disagree, i said it was a mistake.
But it does change the math slightly.

 

[bhamill]

It's just that whenever this comes up, it's put entirely on the players and it's Dear Leader saving us from the team that he runs.

He's the president of the organization. He's accountable.

And yes, some valid criticisms came up in those situations.

People point to similar situations where the players got over it and stayed in line. Maybe those situations were handled better by the front office.

Well YEAH. I’m saying he’s accountable for how good his moves are. I just give zero f***s if he’s polite or nice while he makes them. And I certainly have no sympathy for any player on this team who sulked over any of it. f*** em.

 

[bhamill]

Yeah, the difference being that Tampa actually gave McD the heads-up and he could somewhat pick his destination. Where as Drury didn't tell Goodrow anything, and instead knew that he would be picked up by a team which Goodrow specifically had on his NTC.

Why are we still going over the same damn thing here? There is a reason, Drury's methods sparked a reaction from the players not just within the Rangers, but around the league. Now, this doesn't excuse the players for their poor play. They need to get over it, period. But it has been gone over multiple times that what Drury did with Goodrow, and to an extent with Trouba but especially with Goodrow, was pretty unorthodox and definitely not something that has happened in a similar manner around the league, even with GMs that have been "ruthless" in improving their team.

No. They had a trade worked out somewhere on McDs no trade list. That’s why they had to get him to waive his clause in order to make the trade. Otherwise they would have just traded him. They THREATENED him with waivers and the prospect of ending up in an even worse spot if he didn’t agree to the trade so that the team could profit from the deal. It’s WORSE than Drury just waiving Goodrow. It actually did violate the spirit of the contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

What’s the deal with Ross Colton? He’s a scratch tonight in game 7 for Colorado

 

[McRanger92]

What’s the deal with Ross Colton? He’s a scratch tonight in game 7 for Colorado

I’ll be asking this about every forward suggested by can he play C effectively?

 

[NYR Viper]

I’ll be asking this about every forward suggested by can he play C effectively?

It would appear as though he played it last year but not so much this year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

No. They had a trade worked out somewhere on McDs no trade list. That’s why they had to get him to waive his clause in order to make the trade. Otherwise they would have just traded him. They THREATENED him with waivers and the prospect of ending up in an even worse spot if he didn’t agree to the trade so that the team could profit from the deal. It’s WORSE than Drury just waiving Goodrow. It actually did violate the spirit of the contract.

which is why i compare it with the trouba situation.

Goodrow was put on waivers. Is there sometimes a courtesy heads up? Yeah. not in the off season though.

 

[bhamill]

which is why i compare it with the trouba situation.

Goodrow was put on waivers. Is there sometimes a courtesy heads up? Yeah. not in the off season though.

I dont even know if Anaheim was on Trouba’s no trade list. Is there anything besides rumor saying he got the McD treatment? Has Trouba said anything? Is there anything concrete, a confirmed link?

 

[IDvsEGO]

I dont even know if Anaheim was on Trouba’s no trade list. Is there anything besides rumor saying he got the McD treatment? Has Trouba said anything? Is there anything concrete, a confirmed link?

Anaheim was definitely on his no trade list. Trouba's post trade interview made it clear. The rangers needed him to waive it to get the trade through.

 

[McRanger92]

It would appear as though he played it last year but not so much this year.

Anyone who found success on Cooper’s Tampa teams imo would fit with Sullivan’s type imo. Always was a tenacious forechecked. 3C maybe in a change of scenery deal?

In a similar vein, I’d really like to see what Edstrom can do at C. Speed and size.

 

[bhamill]

Anaheim was definitely on his no trade list. Trouba's post trade interview made it clear. The rangers needed him to waive it to get the trade through.

I know it’s a while back, so you might not be able to, but can you point me to a source? Not doubting you, and if not no worries, I’m just interested now. Anaheim and LA would seem to me to be places that could accommodate his wife’s career, so I would have thought those two in particular wouldn’t be on it. Guess it doesn’t matter at this point.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I know it’s a while back, so you might not be able to, but can you point me to a source? Not doubting you, and if not no worries, I’m just interested now. Anaheim and LA would seem to me to be places that could accommodate his wife’s career, so I would have thought those two in particular wouldn’t be on it. Guess it doesn’t matter at this point.

I'll see if i can find it, but the post interview he gave, where he was explaining how it went down. He said the rangers gave him an option, sign this and go to anahiem or go on waivers.

 

[bhamill]

I'll see if i can find it, but the post interview he gave, where he was explaining how it went down. He said the rangers gave him an option, sign this and go to anahiem or go on waivers.

Thanks bud.