Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[NYRFANMANI]

So, with the return of our old friend cap-hell, one of KAM or Kreids is 100% a goner before July 1st.

Hell, maybe we need to trade both. Cuylle can easily command 5 million on a longer deal. Chris will certainly try to low ball him, but even a bridge deal should get Cuylle 5 million.

Keep 1st this year. Trade Kreider and KAM for 2026 1sts ++.

KAM to Pittsburg for our own 2026 1st? ... man idk

 

[bernmeister]

It's not as simple as ship him away, you have to get value back on a trade. What is the acceptable value going to be? I that's why I floated wallander and a pick, But if you're trading with Vancouver then you're going to be starting the whole process from behind because the Canucks are not going to want to be viewed as fleeced by the rangers by two trades within 4 months. Buffalo it would be a really tough situation to send your first overall pic within the same State. Could they get JJ and power in a deal without having to add a tremendous amount to laffy? Why would Buffalo do that? I mean it's Buffalo, they're usually good for a bad trade every season, but I would assume the rangers you need to add something reasonable to the deal. Could laffy with soucy or borgen work? Larry identified Fox and Schneider as part of the limited core here which kind of points at borgen with a question mark, He has a contract now with term just like laffy and those are something that teens like buffalo and Winnipeg really covet since they can't really attract free agents and sometimes struggle to retain players.

And I look at him as a guy that even if he gets the points doesn't really contribute a whole lot outside of that. He's not really a player that creates space or opens up options for line maids, he's a guy that capitalizes on opportunities created for him. Him at least a player like Larkin can also create opportunities for mine mates. And people are going to immediately point to assist totals but sometimes you create opportunity and options on the ice without actually touching the puck. Is speed makes defensive adjust. He's not top-tierly offense with his ability, what he has tools and attributes that the rest of this team lack and would create a different dimension to the Forward group that exists here. He's also not moving into his middle 30s with term left on his contract right now.

Also I may be in the minority but if there was something to work around laffy and Larkin I would look into that. Zib can go on the rw permanently and fill an area of weakness on this team and you run centers as

Miller
Larkin
Trocheck
Carick

That's solid center depth.

while I reserve right to disagree on any specific thing said, again overall thumbs up for positive, constructive contribution
esp da bold
Zib = telll it like it is

A deal around Laff for Power would make some sense based on their age, contracts, draft position, team needs and performance history.

Then a trade centered around K. Miller for Byfield.

A deal around Byfield for Miller would not make any sense for Kings based on their age, contracts, draft position and team needs.

LA would be interested in trading to NY Doughty and/or Kopitar, but not their 21 years old number one center.

Agree and disagree w/ @kinghock
KAM is a backup plan b or c type target, interest maybe if they lose Gav

Howev need to replace rapidly aging Doughty w/so few RDs as foundation pieces a go to option makes dealing for Byfield an actual thougt
Also moving By can = enuf immediate cap to keep Gav who it is thought walks if not enuf on the table

Zib loves his little girl; opportunity to spoil her 5 yrs of Disneyland is very strong motivation to waive.

Zib at half, Schneider, Emery, Sykora
as a base
for
Byfield, Helenius, pick/prospect

Ks get F who projects at top 6 RW, also = emergency fit at pivot and at 4.25, even w/5 yr term, is attractive
mo important add immediate long term RD so DD can be easy phased out
plus 2 nice prospects

Rs get a 1C pivot
and another behemoth for 3rd line, Eds-Hel-Remp !!!!

sell high on Fox, Shesty, Laf, maybe Tro also
add quality youth, = depth = erase holes

 

[bernmeister]

So, with the return of our old friend cap-hell, one of KAM or Kreids is 100% a goner before July 1st.

Hell, maybe we need to trade both. Cuylle can easily command 5 million on a longer deal. Chris will certainly try to low ball him, but even a bridge deal should get Cuylle 5 million.

Keep 1st this year. Trade Kreider and KAM for 2026 1sts ++.

KAM to Pittsburg for our own 2026 1st? ... man idk

stop pushing KAM, youth out the door
see what CK has in the tank

NO ONE IS PAYING FOR HIM AS IS
STOP THE CK HATE
learn to learn w/da bern

 

[Vitto79]

So if Kreider goes age we thinking that they go for picks and cap dump then sign a ufa ?

Or 1 for 1 for a 3rd line C

Zib to RW

 

[Vitto79]

Trade Soucy for a 3rd and sign Gavrikov or Provorov ?

 

[Vitto79]

So maybe Fowler for Trouba would have been a good idea ? Go figure

 

[NYR Viper]

I think Othmann tops out as a sub 40 point third liner sadly.

I’m okay with that considering he also projects to be the type of guy who is a PIA to play against and brings other elements a team needs.

 

[Profet]

I’m okay with that considering he also projects to be the type of guy who is a PIA to play against and brings other elements a team needs.

What this team needs is puck skill.

 

[eco's bones]

Cuylle had a great year for us last year. I suspect he's not going to get as much as $5mil though. Rangers could do a one year with him and then sign a multi-year deal with him sometime later this year that would give them another few months to see how he further progresses and give them more time to make cap space going into another cap increase in 26-27. Short of his being offer sheeted I kind of think he'll get somewhere between $3.5 and 4 on a one year and then maybe long term starting in 26-27.

 

[eco's bones]

while I reserve right to disagree on any specific thing said, again overall thumbs up for positive, constructive contribution
esp da bold
Zib = telll it like it is




Agree and disagree w/ @kinghock
KAM is a backup plan b or c type target, interest maybe if they lose Gav

Howev need to replace rapidly aging Doughty w/so few RDs as foundation pieces a go to option makes dealing for Byfield an actual thougt
Also moving By can = enuf immediate cap to keep Gav who it is thought walks if not enuf on the table

Zib loves his little girl; opportunity to spoil her 5 yrs of Disneyland is very strong motivation to waive.

Zib at half, Schneider, Emery, Sykora
as a base
for
Byfield, Helenius, pick/prospect

Ks get F who projects at top 6 RW, also = emergency fit at pivot and at 4.25, even w/5 yr term, is attractive
mo important add immediate long term RD so DD can be easy phased out
plus 2 nice prospects

Rs get a 1C pivot
and another behemoth for 3rd line, Eds-Hel-Remp !!!!

sell high on Fox, Shesty, Laf, maybe Tro also
add quality youth, = depth = erase holes

5 years of Disneyland is some kind of very strong motivation? Where do you come up with this shit?

 

[kovazub94]

Hell, maybe we need to trade both. Cuylle can easily command 5 million on a longer deal. Chris will certainly try to low ball him, but even a bridge deal should get Cuylle 5 million.

What are you smoking?

 

[Beliveau]

As long as we don't trade AP for the 1st OA pick which we then use to draft Laf's younger brother.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Deleted it: This video is already up; #352 Mike Sullivan thread.

 

[Beliveau]

What are you smoking?

You're replying to an all caps username.

 

[Fitzy]

Trade Soucy for a 3rd and sign Gavrikov or Provorov ?

That's a good first step on paper.

Still need to move Kreider for cap with what either would get, and sign a 3C with money we'd have to find some other way.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

You're replying to an all caps username.

what’s wrong with that

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

5 years of Disneyland is some kind of very strong motivation? Where do you come up with this shit?

Dolan buying Staal's house. Multiple players receiving organizational jobs for agreeing to retire (which is cap circumventing and would result in league punishment.) The bern train of ridiculous ideas rolls on.

 

[mas0764]

I’m okay with that considering he also projects to be the type of guy who is a PIA to play against and brings other elements a team needs.

I’m not running him off but he’s very available in a trade for a young centerpiece.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Trade Soucy for a 3rd and sign Gavrikov or Provorov ?

Can we stop naming guys who are in their late 20's... the point is to find guys who fit that profile who aren't UFA's.
Not find them when they're about to fall off a cliff and be overpaid.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m not running him off but he’s very available in a trade for a young centerpiece.

Sure, that’s fair. Almost everyone is available for the right player. All I’m saying is he could be a valuable player

 

[TGWL]

Go get Howard. Simple as.

It's not that simple because you have to beat their pick for losing him, or wait it out and hope that Howard signs to play here after reaching free agency status.

 

[TGWL]

Can we stop naming guys who are in their late 20's... the point is to find guys who fit that profile who aren't UFA's.
Not find them when they're about to fall off a cliff and be overpaid.

Most of those players cost nice prospects and picks. You don't get a Hagel scenario without giving up value, and we don't have much to give up anymore. There's not a whole lot of teams looking to trade young, cost controlled, good players.

Rangers can take a chance on change of scenery players, but if they fail, fans would shit all over it. Contending teams looking to get over the hump may be able to lose a prospect ready player, but we don't have anything that takes them over the hump. So we're really at a point here where it becomes draft and wait, sign in free agency, or trade off the older players and hope a prospect or young player returning hits. Rangers probably need to do all 3.

 

[McRanger92]

It's not that simple because you have to beat their pick for losing him, or wait it out and hope that Howard signs to play here after reaching free agency status.

Unless Howard has a clear preference like Fox he should wait to hit free agency and key teams woo him

 

[effen]

I’m not running him off but he’s very available in a trade for a young centerpiece.

Trading him at this juncture is crazy and should not be done in any reasonable circumstance. He moves his feet which I'm more and more convinced is the single most important attribute a player can have.

 

[effen]

Unless Howard has a clear preference like Fox he should wait to hit free agency and key teams woo him

He's listed everywhere as a LW? The Rangers have LWs coming out of their ears. Who cares.