Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[TheDirtyH]

If you're getting back a real star player that's cost controlled and in their prime then sure trade Cuylle

If not, don't bother. Not that I think he's gonna be a star himself but why give up the physical guy who can score some goals that everyone always clamors for just because "what if something else?"

I hope this isn't referring to me since I listed 5 reasons, none of which are "what if something else."

 

[NickyFotiu]

Dylan Larkin bickering with Yzerman has my attention. Meeka for Larkin in a problem for problem deal? Rangers have long been rumored to like Larkin. Storied history of Swedes in Detroit could be a selling point for Zibanejihad.

I think most NYR fans would luv that trade. Dylan looked good at the tourney. Nice to have some speed.

 

[McRanger92]

The veterans have trade protection and negative value. You're thinking about this very narrowly and very idealistically.

Ok and trading Cuylle is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why do we need another young project defenseman when we've already got 4 of our own. Its just trading a guy like Cuylle, who we need more of, for a new toy at a position where we have plenty of the same type right now.

 

[Levitate]

I hope this isn't referring to me since I listed 5 reasons, none of which are "what if something else."

I don't think those reasons are particularly good ones right now

I mean, I don't really agree with how you're looking at some of it. You say they're full up on LW but they're trying to get rid of Kreider and Panarin has 1 year at best. Their depth at LW is about to have an axe taken to it.
Berard is a bottom six guy and Othman might not be anything ever. We're not talking blue chip prospects banging down the door here.

is Cuylle untouchable? No, but I don't see any reason to be in a hurry to move him right now either unless you're really getting an established good player who fills a hole in return.

 

[Levitate]

I also don't reallllllly think kreider has negative value or anything...I suspect we'd be surprised what a team might give up for him with the idea of "he was injured last year but still scored 20+ goals and getting out of a weird spot in NY he could provide a lot for a team making a run"

 

[RickChartraw]

Could someone kindly let me know if I've missed the Kreider/Tampa series nugget that was mentioned last week?

 

[McRanger92]

Could someone kindly let me know if I've missed the Kreider/Tampa series nugget that was mentioned last week?

Not that I saw but did something happen on the ice with him in that series? I dont remember him being particularly effective i it but nothing stood out egregiously. Believe @leetch99 referenced it.

 

[TheDirtyH]

I don't think those reasons are particularly good ones right now

I mean, I don't really agree with how you're looking at some of it. You say they're full up on LW but they're trying to get rid of Kreider and Panarin has 1 year at best. Their depth at LW is about to have an axe taken to it.
Berard is a bottom six guy and Othman might not be anything ever. We're not talking blue chip prospects banging down the door here.

Disagreeing with my reasoning is different than dismissing it altogether.

At LW, Perreault and Lafrenierre are both LWers who should be in your top-6. Nor is middle-six winger nearly as difficult a position to reload than top-four defense to top-line forward. The latter being exactly the kind of player I'm proposing moving Cuylle for.

People see a Cuylle trade proposal, close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears, and then say he's not untouchable.

is Cuylle untouchable? No, but I don't see any reason to be in a hurry to move him right now either unless you're really getting an established good player who fills a hole in return.

Is this not a paraphrase of my posts??

Ok and trading Cuylle is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why do we need another young project defenseman when we've already got 4 of our own. Its just trading a guy like Cuylle, who we need more of, for a new toy at a position where we have plenty of the same type right now.

Please tell me more about all of the defensemen we have like Mintyukov. This isn't serious. Cuylle is more similar to Rempe than Mintyukov is similar to any of our defensemen, on the roster or in the system altogether.

But regardless, you don't have to agree. I think Cuylle is a guy who we have plenty of right now. Between Edstrom, Othmann, Berard, and Rempe alone we've got quite a lot of players who play N-S with tenacity and some limited offense. Cuylle is the best of them, no doubt about it. Hence, he'd be the most attractive piece on the market.

Yeah, I also think trading Detroit for their 29 y/o captain in exchange for a worse 32 y/o player in Zibanejad who has expressed he has no intention of waiving his full NMC sounds like an ideal move. Why stop there? I think we should call up LA and see if they'd do Byfield for Zibanejad.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Zib's contract is completely immoveable.

Any trade has to start with the consummate family man uprooting his wife and child to move somewhere else in the country where they would take on a boatload of uncertainties. It a'int happening.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Disagreeing with my reasoning is different than dismissing it altogether.

At LW, Perreault and Lafrenierre are both LWers who should be in your top-6. Nor is middle-six winger nearly as difficult a position to reload than top-four defense to top-line forward. The latter being exactly the kind of player I'm proposing moving Cuylle for.

People see a Cuylle trade proposal, close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears, and then say he's not untouchable.

Is this not a paraphrase of my posts??

Please tell me more about all of the defensemen we have like Mintyukov. This isn't serious. Cuylle is more similar to Rempe than Mintyukov is similar to any of our defensemen, on the roster or in the system altogether.

But regardless, you don't have to agree. I think Cuylle is a guy who we have plenty of right now. Between Edstrom, Othmann, Berard, and Rempe alone we've got quite a lot of players who play N-S with tenacity and some limited offense. Cuylle is the best of them, no doubt about it. Hence, he'd be the most attractive piece on the market.

Yeah, I also think trading Detroit for their 29 y/o captain in exchange for a worse 32 y/o player in Zibanejad who has expressed he has no intention of waiving his full NMC sounds like an ideal move. Why stop there? I think we should call up LA and see if they'd do Byfield for Zibanejad.

When did Zib say he would never waive his NMC?

Feels like I have heard other guys in multiple sports were immovable and then they were moved.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Zib's contract is completely immoveable.

Any trade has to start with the consummate family man uprooting his wife and child to move somewhere else in the country where they would take on a boatload of uncertainties. It a'int happening.

Lots of family men move. Does Zibs even live in the NY area in the off season?

 

[McRanger92]

Disagreeing with my reasoning is different than dismissing it altogether.

At LW, Perreault and Lafrenierre are both LWers who should be in your top-6. Nor is middle-six winger nearly as difficult a position to reload than top-four defense to top-line forward. The latter being exactly the kind of player I'm proposing moving Cuylle for.

People see a Cuylle trade proposal, close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears, and then say he's not untouchable.

Is this not a paraphrase of my posts??

Please tell me more about all of the defensemen we have like Mintyukov. This isn't serious. Cuylle is more similar to Rempe than Mintyukov is similar to any of our defensemen, on the roster or in the system altogether.

But regardless, you don't have to agree. I think Cuylle is a guy who we have plenty of right now. Between Edstrom, Othmann, Berard, and Rempe alone we've got quite a lot of players who play N-S with tenacity and some limited offense. Cuylle is the best of them, no doubt about it. Hence, he'd be the most attractive piece on the market.

Yeah, I also think trading Detroit for their 29 y/o captain in exchange for a worse 32 y/o player in Zibanejad who has expressed he has no intention of waiving his full NMC sounds like an ideal move. Why stop there? I think we should call up LA and see if they'd do Byfield for Zibanejad.

Cuylle for Minyukov is a horrible trade for the Rangers. At least the Rangers would be winning my hypothetical Mika for Larkin deal lol. neither are happening.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Lots of family men move. Does Zibs even live in the NY area in the off season?

For at minimum three quarters of the year they do. I have no idea what the other three months look like for them.

Does it matter though? He's said himself he's not going anywhere. I'm just trying to put a reason to it to make it easier for people to grasp.

 

[n8]

If playing alongside Trouba, Lindgren, and Borgen hasent rubbed off on Key yet, i wont hold my breath he's gonna start playing with an edge eventually.

Mikkola was a sandpaper guy with STL before we got him, but he was still raw and working on skating and timing. Still worked on it with us, showed some glimpses. I think he just found consistency within his role on a very good FLA roster.

If anything. It shows his smarts to scale back sandpaper play that can take you out of position, until he learned the finer tools of NHL level defence, then reintroduced that skill set after figuring out his foundation that keeps him playing minutes.

NYR goofed letting him go.

I get yeah and you are probably right but Trouba and Lindgren were tough on the ice but soft spoken softies as people. Key needs that angry JT energy but even JT is slowly turning into a marshmallow here with our broke ass locker room culture. This team could really use an outside leadership coach. Let Tony Robbins become a minority owner in the team. He left his mark on both TBL and the GS Warriors as minority owners of those teams.

 

[NickyFotiu]

For at minimum three quarters of the year they do. I have no idea what the other three months look like for them.

Does it matter though? He's said himself he's not going anywhere. I'm just trying to put a reason to it to make it easier for people to grasp.

Can you please post a link to Zibs saying he isn't going anywhere? I have never seen it. Not saying it didn't happen but you know how rumors are on here. Thanks in advance

 

[Machinehead]

I would pick Will Cuylle up and carry him on back to Philadelphia for Michkov.

It's not realistic and by no means am I saying I would actively shop Cuylle for something realistic. I wouldn't.

But that's a trade that would be very silly to turn down.

EDIT: Misread it. It says Mintyukov. I'd consider it but I'm less bullish on that.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Cuylle for Minyukov is a horrible trade for the Rangers. At least the Rangers would be winning my hypothetical Mika for Larkin deal lol. neither are happening.

I'd prefer Zibanejad for Byfield and a first

 

[TheDirtyH]

It's not realistic and by no means am I saying I would actively shop Cuylle for something realistic. I wouldn't.

*Mintyukov* not Michkov, though I'd make that trade too.

 

[kovazub94]

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But regardless, you don't have to agree. I think Cuylle is a guy who we have plenty of right now. Between Edstrom, Othmann, Berard, and Rempe alone we've got quite a lot of players who play N-S with tenacity and some limited offense. Cuylle is the best of them, no doubt about it. Hence, he'd be the most attractive piece on the market.
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This is a bit of a faulty logic. The reason for a pushback on trading Cuylle is because he's the only wing at the moment with his attributes in the top-6 group. Listing guys who have his physicality (which actually none of them have to the same degree to begin with) or N/S style of play doesn't help the top-6 group if he's moved.

Edit: it would be a better argument if you said that one of these guys or anyone else coming up through the ranks (for instance Laba) would fully replace Cuylle in the top-6.

 

[Machinehead]

I might call an Uber in that scenario but I'm not carrying anybody.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Can you please post a link to Zibs saying he isn't going anywhere? I have never seen it. Not saying it didn't happen but you know how rumors are on here. Thanks in advance

I don't have any social media to easily grab a link, but pretty sure the new york post had it on Twitter. If you Google 'Mika Zibanejad NMC', and check out the top hit Reddit thread, it's in there.

He basically said he's not going anywhere, and he knows what his contract says or something like that.

 

[Fitzy]

I would pick Will Cuylle up and carry him on back to Philadelphia for Michkov.

It's not realistic and by no means am I saying I would actively shop Cuylle for something realistic. I wouldn't.

But that's a trade that would be very silly to turn down.

EDIT: Misread it. It says Mintyukov. I'd consider it but I'm less bullish on that.

When you ask for the original for Xmas and end up with the off brand knockoff.

"f*** Jerry we traded for J. Staal, I just thought it was the good one"

 

[Levitate]

Disagreeing with my reasoning is different than dismissing it altogether.

At LW, Perreault and Lafrenierre are both LWers who should be in your top-6. Nor is middle-six winger nearly as difficult a position to reload than top-four defense to top-line forward. The latter being exactly the kind of player I'm proposing moving Cuylle for.

Perreault is a RW. Laf has been playing RW for the past two years. He could move back, I dunno.

People see a Cuylle trade proposal, close their eyes and put their fingers in their ears, and then say he's not untouchable.

Is this not a paraphrase of my posts??

Please tell me more about all of the defensemen we have like Mintyukov. This isn't serious. Cuylle is more similar to Rempe than Mintyukov is similar to any of our defensemen, on the roster or in the system altogether.

I don't consider Mintyukov an established star talent?

I think I'm just pushing back on this feeling that "oh we have this one guy who has some value we should trade him while he has value". I've never been a huge fan of trying to cycle through players by selling at high value points because the returns often are unknown and getting rid of useful players because they have value hinders buildin ga team overall

for the right deal i'm fine with Cuylle being moved but I also think he's a player that we'll be saying "why don't we have a player like that" once he's gone. Value to the team is sometimes more than value on the trade market

 

[Machinehead]

When you ask for the original for Xmas and end up with the off brand knockoff.

"f*** Jerry we traded for J. Staal, I just thought it was the good one"

"I got you an outfielder from the Giants."

"You got Franklin?"

"Not those Giants."

 

[Levitate]

I don't have any social media to easily grab a link, but pretty sure the new york post had it on Twitter. If you Google 'Mika Zibanejad NMC', and check out the top hit Reddit thread, it's in there.

He basically said he's not going anywhere, and he knows what his contract says or something like that.

well his contract also doesn't say he's required to be in the lineup or that he play PP/PK or a certain set amount of minutes