Series Talk: [C1] Winnipeg Jets vs. [WC2] St. Louis Blues (Series Tied 3-3)

[cbcwpg]

I get Jets fans being angered about it and wanting retribution. It’s been a highly physical series. There are a ton of hits all over the ice. Faksa tagged him real good too. It’s gamesmanship between Arniel and Montgomery. This is all par for the course for what has been a very good playoff series.

Just don’t see it as more than 2 mins, when all the emotion and intensity of the situation is removed from it. He did not leave his feet. Scheifele was squared up to it when the hit delivered. It was late though.

Respect to the Jets and Jets fans. Your team played a very strong game. They executed very well for a situation where the goalie is shaky. It was very difficult for the Blues to get anything solid set up throughout the game, especially in the first 2 periods other than about 2 mins preceding the Blues 1st goal.

Tell me again how he didn't leave his feet. 40 seconds into the video.

 

[Buffdog]

Scheifele touched the puck and was eligible to be hit.

He made contact with the puck and tried to chip is past Parayko along the boards. Watch the replay of the hit, you can clearly see the puck change speed and direction after Scheifele swings his stick at the puck.

Touching the puck doesn't mean having possession of it. You're welcome to look the rule up since you don't seem to be familiar with it

The same criteria would apply for blowing down a delayed penalty. Possession implies under control

 

[SLAYER]

Caillou and Thomas better have their heads up, Jets won't be happy.

 

[GoBluz24]

I just don't want to see hand shaking in St Lou. Let it happen in the Peg, regardless of who wins the series.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

I think Helle is due for a statement game. He'll steal the next one on the road without our best forward in the lineup, to win the series and put the playoff narrative to bed.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

It was obvious he left his feet, you would need to be blind to disagree.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Touching the puck doesn't mean having possession of it. You're welcome to look the rule up since you don't seem to be familiar with it

The same criteria would apply for blowing down a delayed penalty. Possession implies under control

So players can deflect and tip pucks all they want and never be eligible to be checked?

If that’s the case then Stanley’s hit on Kyrou was clear interference too.

 

[stl76]

Touching the puck doesn't mean having possession of it. You're welcome to look the rule up since you don't seem to be familiar with it

The same criteria would apply for blowing down a delayed penalty. Possession implies under control

According to rule 56.1 - Interference:
…
“Possession of the Puck:
The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.”

 

[Buffdog]

According to rule 56.1 - Interference:
…
“Possession of the Puck:
The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.”

Then parayko had possession after schief, and schief is off limits

 

[STL fan in MN]

A few years back, Scheifele hit Evans of the Canadiens on a similar play and received a 4 game suspension ( and in that case the player actually had the puck on his stick when contact was made ). This time Scheifele's on the receiving end , does not have the puck at all, and the player that hits him, gets nothing.

I don't care who you cheer for, but no one should be happy with how inconsistent the NHL is when it comes to handling these matters.

Looks like Schiefele made head contact with Evans. Schenn, while he left his feet and was thus charging, didn’t make contact with Schiefele’s head. That’s one difference. The other is Schiefele popped right back up and appeared fine whereas Evans was clearly knocked out cold on contact and stretchered off. Fair or not, those optics matter in the eyes of DOPS.

 

[Buffdog]

So players can deflect and tip pucks all they want and never be eligible to be checked?

If that’s the case then Stanley’s hit on Kyrou was clear interference too.

Deflecting a puck where you want it to go means you controlled it. Schief did not

 

[Buffdog]

Looks like Schiefele made head contact with Evans. Schenn, while he left his feet and was thus charging, didn’t make contact with Schiefele’s head. That’s one difference. The other is Schiefele popped right back up and appeared fine whereas Evans was clearly knocked out cold on contact and stretchered off. Fair or not, those optics matter in the eyes of DOPS.

Schief hit Evans shoulder to chest.. his head snapped back from inertia

 

[Finnflash]

Hey me changing my feelings on Provel has changed the momentum for the series.

You should all go out and buy some Provel today. It’s the best.

 

[stl76]

Then parayko had possession after schief, and schief is off limits

Deflecting a puck where you want it to go means you controlled it. Schief did not

You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth here. If Scheifele didn’t control the puck then neither did Parayko. So by your logic, the player in possession of the puck was Jake Neighbours who rimmed the puck around?

Nonsense. Scheifele played the puck and was eligible to be hit.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Then parayko had possession after schief, and schief is off limits

Except that’s not ever how it’s worked. Schenn would still have ~ 2 seconds to deliver a hit because Schiefele was still eligible to be hit at that point. Someone else touching the puck within that 2 second window doesn’t automatically change how that works and make Scheifele ineligible to be hit.

Deflecting a puck where you want it to go means you controlled it. Schief did not

I think you’re splitting hairs and getting hung up on the word “possession”. How it’s always worked is if you touch the puck you’re eligible to be bit. Scheifele touched the puck.

And even if you want to argue he didn’t touch the puck or that someone he didn’t touch it enough to be eligible to be hit, Schenn still didn’t hit him in the head so it’d be 2 for interference, not a 5.

 

[Daximus]

Full credit to the Blues they were hunting Schief for the last 4 games and finally did the deed in game 5. I'll imagine they will focus their intentions on Morrissey and try and take him out of the series next.

 

[Buffdog]

Except that’s not ever how it’s worked. Schenn would still have ~ 2 seconds to deliver a hit because Schiefele was still eligible to be hit at that point. Someone else touching the puck within that 2 second window doesn’t automatically change how that works and make Scheifele ineligible to be hit.

I think you’re splitting hairs and getting hung up on the word “possession”. How it’s always worked is if you touch the puck you’re eligible to be bit. Scheifele touched the puck.

And even if you want to argue he didn’t touch the puck or that someone he didn’t touch it enough to be eligible to be hit, Schenn still didn’t hit him in the head so it’d be 2 for interference, not a 5.

Head contact has nothing to do with 2 vs 5

And on top of that, there doesn't even have to be a penalty on the play for it to warrant supplemental discipline

 

[bluesfan94]

Tell me again how he didn't leave his feet. 40 seconds into the video.

Posting a still after contact is so disingenuous because that isn't and has never been what leaving your feet means

Edit: just kidding, it shows as a still for me because of my work firewall.

 

[STL fan in MN]

Schief hit Evans shoulder to chest.. his head snapped back from inertia

Maybe. With as fast as Scheifele’s going in there and as fast as Evans went flying it’s hard to tell. I see you ignored my 2nd point though. Probably because you know I’m right and want to ignore that part.

 

[bluesfan94]

Touching the puck doesn't mean having possession of it. You're welcome to look the rule up since you don't seem to be familiar with it

The same criteria would apply for blowing down a delayed penalty. Possession implies under control

You don't have to have controlled possession of the puck to be eligible to be hit. I can prove it. How many times behind the net is the puck rimmed around a defenseman, knowing he's about to be hit, chops at the puck instead of trying to control it? It happens a dozen times a game. All of those result in a hit. None of those are penalties.

But hey, I'm glad you've become a hockey fan for these playoffs. The more you watch, the more you'll learn.

 

[Whitesnake]

 

[cbcwpg]

Posting a still after contact is so disingenuous because that isn't and has never been what leaving your feet means

It's a freaking video, not a still... play the video and tell me he didn't leave his feet.

 

[Buffdog]

Maybe. With as fast as Scheifele’s going in there and as fast as Evans went flying it’s hard to tell. I see you ignored my 2nd point though. Probably because you know I’m right and want to ignore that part.

2nd point?

You post didn't have any points lol

 

[Buffdog]

You don't have to have controlled possession of the puck to be eligible to be hit. I can prove it. How many times behind the net is the puck rimmed around a defenseman, knowing he's about to be hit, chops at the puck instead of trying to control it? It happens a dozen times a game. All of those result in a hit. None of those are penalties.

But hey, I'm glad you've become a hockey fan for these playoffs. The more you watch, the more you'll learn.

I'm 49. I've played since I was 4 (up to and including college hockey), coached more teams that I can count and reffed for 15 years

So yeah, casual gan here lol

 

[bluesfan94]

I'm 49. I've played since I was 4 (up to and including college hockey), coached more teams that I can count and reffed for 15 years

So yeah, casual gan here lol

Impressive they let you ref given your tenuous relationship with eyesight and the rules