Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

Soucy’s underlying numbers were good with the Rangers and he’s been a good player in his career. 20 games with a checked out and terrible defensive team doesn’t define his career
If he's on the roster opening night, I'm going to root for him and hope for the best. If he plays to his career average level of play, then we have a pretty good core.

I'm not happy with how he looked/played, but you're right that it doesn't define his career. It's either "just a bad stretch," or "the beginning of the end of his career." Next season is important for him. We'll see what he does with it.
 
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If he's on the roster opening night, I'm going to root for him and hope for the best. If he plays to his career average level of play, then we have a pretty good core.

I'm not happy with how he looked/played, but you're right that it doesn't define his career. It's either "just a bad stretch," or "the beginning of the end of his career." Next season is important for him. We'll see what he does with it.

It defies logic they didn’t swap him and KAM at any point after the trade. We’ve been screaming for a KAM-Fox pairing and Borgen and Soucy were teammates and partners at times in Seattle
 
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The next coach has to be willing to trust the youth and punish veterans. If Muse can do that, I think he’s a strong choice.
We had a lot of youth play like cr_p this year as well. Honestly coming off this season only Cuylie really stood out. I think some are putting too much trust in the youth.
 
We had a lot of youth play like cr_p this year as well. Honestly coming off this season only Cuylie really stood out. I think some are putting too much trust in the youth.
Edstrom and Rempe are quite good for 4th liners. Berard had a good season despite being in, out, up, and down the lineup.

Othmann really needs to show something, sure. And he didn't even necessarily play like poop. His eye test was better than his lack of production, at least.
 
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Edstrom and Rempe are quite good for 4th liners. Berard had a good season despite being in, out, up, and down the lineup.

Othmann really needs to show something, sure. And he didn't even necessarily play like poop. His eye test was better than his lack of production, at least.
Edstrom IMO did not show much 9 points in 51 games and a -6 +-. There are better alternatives. Laf is part of the youth and was a huge disappointment not to mention -13. Othmann may not have played that bad but 2 points in 22 games is not gonna cut it. Especially since if we get rid of CK and Zibs where are those goals coming from. This team strugggled to score this year as it was.
 
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Miller may be a mid tier 1C but Fox is def in the top 1/4th of #1 dmen in the league, so I think he should get SOME credit as a star player, even if he isn't a perennial top 3. He's better than McDonagh was at his peak by a decent margin.
Fox is the only real difference maker we have in the station he belongs in. It's not enough.
 
Edstrom IMO did not show much 9 points in 51 games and a -6 +-. There are better alternatives. Laf is part of the youth and was a huge disappointment not to mention -13. Othmann may not have played that bad but 2 points in 22 games is not gonna cut it. Especially since if we get rid of CK and Zibs where are those goals coming from. This team strugggled to score this year as it was.
What do you want a 4th liner to be?
 
Edstrom IMO did not show much 9 points in 51 games and a -6 +-. There are better alternatives. Laf is part of the youth and was a huge disappointment not to mention -13. Othmann may not have played that bad but 2 points in 22 games is not gonna cut it. Especially since if we get rid of CK and Zibs where are those goals coming from. This team strugggled to score this year as it was.
Injury aside, Edstrom had a good season. If you're just boxscore watching, you won't see that.

Laf had a step back season, which sucks. There were more troubling things than just pointing to his +/-.

Yeah, I just said that Otter needs to show something more next season. You're sort of stuck on the hockeydb page thing. LOL

We were 12th in scoring. Not bad, but we do need to do better. We can't just get rid of 20 & 93 without getting any players back, so there would have to be some offense from whoever is brought in. Othmann and Berard aren't enough to replace those two, but they don't "have to be."
 
Edstrom IMO did not show much 9 points in 51 games and a -6 +-. There are better alternatives. Laf is part of the youth and was a huge disappointment not to mention -13. Othmann may not have played that bad but 2 points in 22 games is not gonna cut it. Especially since if we get rid of CK and Zibs where are those goals coming from. This team strugggled to score this year as it was.
As a rookie and 4th liner I think Edstrom did well and was starting to show some his skills before getting injured. He forechecks well, holds onto the puck and can make plays. Maybe his defense needs somew ork but so does most rookies.

We're not gonna have big time scorers on the 4th line or something, IMO you want guys who can play like Edstrom and pressure the other team and keep them on their heels even if the scoring isn't going to be regular. I'd rather have that than some stone handed dipshit who "plays defense" but can't forecheck or cycle or do shit in the neutral and offensive zones

I dunno by the time they got Sauce-man I wasn't really watching games closely. What seemed to stand out to me a few times was him getting caught pinching or making poor decisions, but looked a bit like he was unsure what he should be doing. Maybe that's just his game, maybe he just needs a chance to settle
 
Panarin-JT-Laf
Cuylle-Rossi-Othmann
Berard-Trocheck-Anderson
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom
Brodzinski

Gavrikov-Fox
Soucy-Borgen
Jones-Schneider
Vaakanainen

Igor
Quick
I’ve been almost running this exact lineup on puckpedia in different variations. K’Andre for Rossi or Peterka. Sign Gavrikov. Kreider for picks. It makes sense
 
it's just that you say you have all this info and use it to condescend everyone but you never elaborate any specifics
I actually do at times, and I'm sorry if you think I'm condescending. Genuinely.

I know people are hesitant to believe things at times and that's why I let it go for awhile, to let a track record start to develop and show that there is info I share that is accurate in hopes it would develop a runway of sorts but then of course there are the posters (not saying you specifically) that just want to tear down anyone that has info. We all saw this with edge and others. People want more than what can safely be shared and then attack or get mad at people that need to be cautious and limited. Why is it incumbent on the people that do share the info here to do it to the acceptable level of everyone else without regard for themselves? At what point will people here just chase more people/info away like it has to others? This board used to have 3-5 really solid insiders that would each sporadically share info, and where are those people? They all left bc it wasn't worth sharing with the fans here anymore based on the BS they had to deal with.

Edge constantly chose the high road and warned for months he was about done bc of all the shit he would take here, I'm not edge and I'm not really worried about "coaching" people through keeping info coming from me the way he did. He was a true gentleman. At some point I'll probably just stop. After watching people rip others apart for year forgive me if I'm a little more brash than the way others were. In today's times there are more people than ever on this board that don't know what's going on and that are guessing but that post in absolutes and constantly condemn and ridicule other posters BUT they are just flat wrong to begin with and don't even know what they are saying.

You say I'm condescending? For years I have shared little nuggets here without being overt and then for over a year I've tried to share more while this org has gone into disarray, but then I take more shit from people then ever despite being proven correct. On a message board like this it isn't a one to one interaction, so what you read in a response or a post might be taken sourly but it's in response (directly or indirectly) to shit I've taken elsewhere on this board. And I get it with nyr fans, I really do. There is a segment that is passionate and doesn't really know anything about hockey and there are passionate fans that do know the game so they get pissy dealing with the truly clueless average fans that still don't even know how leetch broke his ankle. That level of discourse and conflict has become acceptable bc it's apparently okay for the more knowledgeable fans to shit on the average run of the mill fans, but somehow the next tier of informed people that still care to share info with the fans that are committed diehards get vilified bc they don't do it in a nice or big enough way?

It becomes exhausting to have darts thrown at you all the time and then expected to never fire them back. I still have people on here giving me shit when I post during breakup days saying "you don't know shit bc if you did you would have posted about "x" months ago" when in fact I DID post about "x" months ago. If you wouldn't get pissy and ornery at times then I give you credit and you're a better person than me...
 
Edstrom and Carrick were the only watchable part of the team for like a full 4 weeks this season.
Carrick is a pit bull and his appearance is that of a classic 1990s NHLer which fits the bill perfectly.

You never know how he will do from season to season being a player of that style and 33 years old, but he was a nice surprise.
 
Soucy’s underlying numbers were good with the Rangers and he’s been a good player in his career. 20 games with a checked out and terrible defensive team doesn’t define his career
Soucy isn't the answer on the first pair but virtually no conclusions can be made on any of the defensemen on this roster regarding their defensive play with how horrid the structure was for this team and the lack of effective coaching that was taking place on that side of the puck. This is one of the biggest reasons I was upset that let lavy and Housley finish the season. The moment I heard Housley was hired I said of f***. I assume they kept lavy and Housley through the year as a solid to peca and muse so neither of those two guys became "tainted" with a bad record in the last 5-10 games that would impact the perception of them and their careers as they move forward. Just bad all the way around.
 
Soucy isn't the answer on the first pair but virtually no conclusions can be made on any of the defensemen on this roster regarding their defensive play with how horrid the structure was for this team and the lack of effective coaching that was taking place on that side of the puck. This is one of the biggest reasons I was upset that let lavy and Housley finish the season. The moment I heard Housley was hired I said of f***. I assume they kept lavy and Housley through the year as a solid to peca and muse so neither of those two guys became "tainted" with a bad record in the last 5-10 games that would impact the perception of them and their careers as they move forward. Just bad all the way around.

Best case scenario Soucy is dealt at the draft for a 4th, but I'd settle for he and Vaak to fight over the 3LD spot depending on who is showing better.
 
I actually do at times, and I'm sorry if you think I'm condescending. Genuinely.

I know people are hesitant to believe things at times and that's why I let it go for awhile, to let a track record start to develop and show that there is info I share that is accurate in hopes it would develop a runway of sorts but then of course there are the posters (not saying you specifically) that just want to tear down anyone that has info. We all saw this with edge and others. People want more than what can safely be shared and then attack or get mad at people that need to be cautious and limited. Why is it incumbent on the people that do share the info here to do it to the acceptable level of everyone else without regard for themselves? At what point will people here just chase more people/info away like it has to others? This board used to have 3-5 really solid insiders that would each sporadically share info, and where are those people? They all left bc it wasn't worth sharing with the fans here anymore based on the BS they had to deal with.

Edge constantly chose the high road and warned for months he was about done bc of all the shit he would take here, I'm not edge and I'm not really worried about "coaching" people through keeping info coming from me the way he did. He was a true gentleman. At some point I'll probably just stop. After watching people rip others apart for year forgive me if I'm a little more brash than the way others were. In today's times there are more people than ever on this board that don't know what's going on and that are guessing but that post in absolutes and constantly condemn and ridicule other posters BUT they are just flat wrong to begin with and don't even know what they are saying.

You say I'm condescending? For years I have shared little nuggets here without being overt and then for over a year I've tried to share more while this org has gone into disarray, but then I take more shit from people then ever despite being proven correct. On a message board like this it isn't a one to one interaction, so what you read in a response or a post might be taken sourly but it's in response (directly or indirectly) to shit I've taken elsewhere on this board. And I get it with nyr fans, I really do. There is a segment that is passionate and doesn't really know anything about hockey and there are passionate fans that do know the game so they get pissy dealing with the truly clueless average fans that still don't even know how leetch broke his ankle. That level of discourse and conflict has become acceptable bc it's apparently okay for the more knowledgeable fans to shit on the average run of the mill fans, but somehow the next tier of informed people that still care to share info with the fans that are committed diehards get vilified bc they don't do it in a nice or big enough way?

It becomes exhausting to have darts thrown at you all the time and then expected to never fire them back. I still have people on here giving me shit when I post during breakup days saying "you don't know shit bc if you did you would have posted about "x" months ago" when in fact I DID post about "x" months ago. If you wouldn't get pissy and ornery at times then I give you credit and you're a better person than me...
What I say in support of this poster, is not a dig at others.

I have found @bleedblue94 to usually often constructive content. Like most of us, he can be passionate about his views. This at worst makes his intense support of his positions "opinionated", not 'condescending'. The latter threshold is only crossed when one arrogantly says 'regardless of accurate objective assessment of my position is correct and prevails over yours'.

Thankfully we don't see much of THAT.
Yeah, we have one guy who defends Zib to the death, despite that by every measure, Zib deserves to get torn a new one.
But even there, that poster, while disagreeing with most of us, has not gone so far as to say I am right and the rest of you are wrong.

So perspective, context, etc

carry on
and thanks @bleedblue94 for adding something worthwhile to what is said here
 

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