Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[will1066]

She needs to cut her teeth for a while longer.

This would be an impossible situation for her to walk into on so many different angles.

Yeah Panarin might...

I'll stop

 

[will1066]

The core has uncoachable personalities. No coach will matter a whole lot until Drury figures out how to deal them off the team.

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah Panarin might...

I'll stop

Takes away her whiteboard during a timeout and says ”coach, you can retrieve it from my stall after the game”?

 

[Levitate]

The core has uncoachable personalities. No coach will matter a whole lot until Drury figures out how to deal them off the team.

I mean...if Drury can't move some guys then he needs to tell his coach "you have my full backing to bench guys who aren't buying in and tuning you out, and I'm not holding it against you"

One way or another the team needs to stop being "difficult to coach"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The core has uncoachable personalities. No coach will matter a whole lot until Drury figures out how to deal them off the team.

I don't know if this is true.

No coach has attempted to do anything other than let the veterans off scot free.

When you start taking things away from players, they may be more willing to listen. Panarin in particular loves his cookies.

 

[Kendo]

This is the most non-answer I've ever seen. Who exactly what Drury supposed to get as a #1C? I guarantee to you if he lets zibanejad walk and then buys a $10M x 8 year free agent center who performs the same if not worse than zibanejad you'd be calling for everyone's head...

Bennett is about to get paid nearly as much as Mika. While he's a fun player to watch, the offensive dropoff would only be worth it if there was a cap savings to go along with it.

I could see a scenario where Torts is brought in as a Sather replacement. Basically a special advisor to the owner. I am less anti-Torts than others here. I truly think he instills a work ethic and buy in that few coaches do. He has his shortfalls for sure but a lack of effort is just clearly not acceptable on his teams and he'll call out anyone, no matter their role or cap hit. That would be refreshing.

Torts is near the bottom of my list of HC options. But Torts in a "Special Advisor" role could be incredible. You KNOW he wouldn't hold back when sharing his opinion with Drury.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Bennett is about to get paid nearly as much as Mika. While he's a fun player to watch, the offensive dropoff would only be worth it if there was a cap savings to go along with it.


Torts is near the bottom of my list of HC options. But Torts in a "Special Advisor" role could be incredible. You KNOW he wouldn't hold back when sharing his opinion with Drury.

Sure but his talent evaluation is also shit.
So what opinion is he gonna be sharing that’s worth money?

 

[NYR Viper]

Wouldn't it be something if Drury took this off-season to take a step back, move some guys for futures and develop some young talent with real opportunities and keep his powder dry for next off-season to land a big fish?

Trade Panarin and Kreider this off-season. Play Othmann, Berard, Perrault. Make a decision on KAM. Is he here long term or not?

If someone like Gavrikov is actually available in UFA then make that move. Then take a step back next year.

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
Lafreniere-Trochek-Perrault
Othmann-Parsinnen-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brodz
Kaliyev

Gavrikov-Fox
Soucy-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Jones

 

[savebyrichter94]

The core has uncoachable personalities. No coach will matter a whole lot until Drury figures out how to deal them off the team.

I’m not a fan of everything Drury has done but if anyone has a right to be pissed off isn’t it him? It’s not like he’s deciding for the hell of it to fire coaches, it certainly doesn’t do his image any favors to do so, the reason he has to fire another coach is because the players keep deciding to blame everyone but themselves when things don’t go well, if I was Drury I’d be sick of the Goldilocks bullshit, this coach is too hard, this coach is too soft, there is no just right for these guys

Drury has also given some of these guys some very nice contracts and while they can say they’ve earned them they’ve also made him look like an idiot by rewarding him with whatever this bullshit is, maybe the guy is just happy to be the villain at this point idk

 

[IDvsEGO]

Wouldn't it be something if Drury took this off-season to take a step back, move some guys for futures and develop some young talent with real opportunities and keep his powder dry for next off-season to land a big fish?

Trade Panarin and Kreider this off-season. Play Othmann, Berard, Perrault. Make a decision on KAM. Is he here long term or not?

If someone like Gavrikov is actually available in UFA then make that move. Then take a step back next year.

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
Lafreniere-Trochek-Perrault
Othmann-Parsinnen-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brodz
Kaliyev

Gavrikov-Fox
Soucy-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Jones

Im in agreement. If there’s a year to bottom out hard and bounce back fast, it’s next year.
A top pick next year would’ve been like a top pick in 23’s draft.
I don’t like gavrikov though. I think he’d be another mistake.
Soucy’s numbers with Fox looked good, I see no reason not to give that the shot with a real defense.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't know if this is true.

No coach has attempted to do anything other than let the veterans off scot free.

When you start taking things away from players, they may be more willing to listen. Panarin in particular loves his cookies.

I agree with this but also the team just isn't that good, and they're not producing any young players to take the load off the vets, so naturally coaches are going to lean on the guys who might score. They're judged on wins and losses and nothing else.

Laviolette still sucked, don't get me wrong. He didn't bother with Berard when he had the opportunity to do so. Cuylle had to go on a ridiculous shooting bender to force his way in.

Regardless, whether the next coach is the right or wrong hire, we're going to see a lot of Panarin, Zibanejad, and Trocheck coming over the boards. Who else is gonna produce?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Wouldn't it be something if Drury took this off-season to take a step back, move some guys for futures and develop some young talent with real opportunities and keep his powder dry for next off-season to land a big fish?

Trade Panarin and Kreider this off-season. Play Othmann, Berard, Perrault. Make a decision on KAM. Is he here long term or not?

If someone like Gavrikov is actually available in UFA then make that move. Then take a step back next year.

Cuylle-Miller-Zibanejad
Lafreniere-Trochek-Perrault
Othmann-Parsinnen-Berard
Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe
Brodz
Kaliyev

Gavrikov-Fox
Soucy-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Jones

If that's the case, he better give up that first round pick this year because this lineup is straight up ass.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’m not a fan of everything Drury has done but if anyone has a right to be pissed off isn’t it him? It’s not like he’s deciding for the hell of it to fire coaches, it certainly doesn’t do his image any favors to do so, the reason he has to fire another coach is because the players keep deciding to blame everyone but themselves when things don’t go well, if I was Drury I’d be sick of the Goldilocks bullshit, these coach is too hard, this coach is too soft, there is no just right for these guys

Drury has also given some of these guys some very nice contracts and while they can say they’ve earned them they’ve also made him look like an idiot by rewarding him with whatever this bullshit is, maybe the guy is just happy to be the villain at this point idk

He could have made a better hire than Laviolette.

Everyone and their f***ing mother knew how that one was going to go. The best part about his hire is that he went semi out side of the box with the hiring of his assistants, but that doesn't speak well at all to the guy who is calling the shots.

If a bunch of people here could have foreseen how this one would go, theres no reason why someone who is a GM in this league couldn't see it too. It was a lazy, "safe" hire because he didn't want to go with someone who didn't have a ton of experience which apparently, is a redeeming quality this time around.

Could have saved himself the trouble and just hired the guy with less experience last time.

 

[bhamill]

How many times has it happened just for the NYR org?

Now that's an indictment on this org for sure but it happens... apparently to us... A LOT

How many times HAS it happened? The only example I know of just a NHL player we were looking to subtract and went by waiver is Goodrow. Now Nemeth was an even WORSE situation. Hahahaha. Just waivers is fine, THAT sucked moose balls.

 

[NYR Viper]

If that's the case, he better give up that first round pick this year because this lineup is straight up ass.

Unless the make a major jump, if this is the plan, I give that pick to Pittsburgh. Agreed.

I also don't think the team is THAT bad. Yes, lots of young players and I'm missing any pieces that come back for Kreider, KAM or Panarin, but I could see them still hovering around the last WC spot.

 

[Tob]

One thing Larry said during the podcast that shocked me was that he thought the rangers are not nearly as talented as the perception is. Didn’t expect that from him.

Some of you aren’t smart enough to see it, but this is the first chess move in a series of 4D chess where Brooksie will advocate for zigger and drury eventually goes out and acquires him

 

[I Eat Crow]

Nothing to do with the trades. Dude really went trough some shit early in the season.

Mika Zibanejad battling bigger demons than his on-ice Rangers struggles: ‘Hardest thing ever’

The game is played on a 200 feet by 85 feet surface of ice, but for Mika Zibanejad, the battle is contested almost entirely within his cerebrum.

nypost.com

He should go on LTIR and enter the player assistance program if he was really struggling that badly. Mental health isn't a joke. I would've respected him a hell of a lot if he got help instead of trying to languish through it and look like ass.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Unless the make a major jump, if this is the plan, I give that pick to Pittsburgh. Agreed.

I also don't think the team is THAT bad. Yes, lots of young players and I'm missing any pieces that come back for Kreider, KAM or Panarin, but I could see them still hovering around the last WC spot.

I think many people focus on young players as a cure all. Just play the kids. My concern is, the kids just aint that good, especially the ones we've already seen a lot of. Honestly, aside from Perault I think some of them might be better used as trade chips. Just way too many misses, not all the team's fault, to give me any hope that the next generation of players will be half as good as the 'core.'

 

[NYR Viper]

He should go on LTIR and enter the player assistance program if he was really struggling that badly. Mental health isn't a joke. I would've respected him a hell of a lot if he got help instead of trying to languish through it and look like ass.

Can someone expound on what is mentioned?

 

[NYR Viper]

I think many people focus on young players as a cure all. Just play the kids. My concern is, the kids just aint that good, especially the ones we've already seen a lot of. Honestly, aside from Perault I think some of them might be better used as trade chips. Just way too many misses, not all the team's fault, to give me any hope that the next generation of players will be half as good as the 'core.'

I liked what I saw from Othmann and Berard. Another full off-season will be good for them. Edstrom and Rempe are easily 4th liners. What other young players are we concerned about?

 

[Machinehead]

I liked what I saw from Othmann and Berard. Another full off-season will be good for them. Edstrom and Rempe are easily 4th liners. What other young players are we concerned about?

The ones that are not top sixers which is probably everyone in the organization aside from Gabe.

 

[NYR Viper]

The ones that are not top sixers which is probably everyone in the organization aside from Gabe.

I see most of them as botom-6 guys though. Cuylle has exceeded those expectations

 

[Machinehead]

I see most of them as botom-6 guys though. Cuylle has exceeded those expectations

That's the concern.

 

[bhamill]

One's stupidity should not be judged on their ability to correct it after the fact.

True but when you are able to correct mistakes in the aftermath it makes moves less of a gamble.

 

[IDvsEGO]

How many times HAS it happened? The only example I know of just a NHL player we were looking to subtract and went by waiver is Goodrow. Now Nemeth was an even WORSE situation. Hahahaha. Just waivers is fine, THAT sucked moose balls.

And we’ve since learnt that the only reason nemeth was so expensive was we wanted the prospect that in that trade who we lost to waivers but Edmonton fans are saying he looks good.