Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[will1066]

Had an incredibly relaxing work trip all day today which was great, so just catching up on the last 15 pages or so.
Just wanted to say that most of you guys are off the chain insane and it's super entertaining. Thank you all.
Draft and FA is going to be a wild ride

Insane in the Brisbane!

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Ok, but like, here's the thing: people keep propping this up as getting rid of a potential problem contract in Chytil, meanwhile we added $40m with a no movement clause.

People want to give credit to Drury for getting out of bad contracts and creating cap space with some of the moves they made this year. Except when truly examine that, they had a bunch of cap space this past year and still will have cap issues this summer unless they move multiple big contracts.

Like cool, you got Trouba and Goodrow off the books. And they immediately turned around and gave that money to JT Miller and Carson Soucy

Great

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I knew they were never gonna keep Guentzel and as you know, I didn't take last year's team that seriously, so I didn't really want them going for big rentals.

The only reason I mentioned Guentzel is because it annoys me how Trouba has his foot taken clean off his leg and they didn't do any LTIR shenanigans even when they had a legit reason to do so.

Even if I don't think you should be contending, if you decide you are, I'm gonna judge you for not doing it right.

You weren't the one I was calling out with this fyi.

I disagree that adding him would have been the right way to "contend." It would have been adding the biggest name available regardless of whether or not he fit. It wouldn't have been as stupid as giving up a bunch of assets for Elias Lindholm (who wouldn't fit and also isn't good) but it would have still been stupid.

Tossing him on PP2 would have been a complete waste too and thats exactly where he would have ended up (and rightfully, they weren't going to break up what was a top 3 unit in the league.)

I don't know what the Trouba thing really has to do with anything either. Pretty sure they could have fit Guentzel in with out doing any cap shenanigans.

 

[Levitate]

The Rangers pretty much had two options for 1C at the time...trade for Eichel, or re-sign Zibanejad. Zibanejad was coming off some good seasons and the price for Eichel seemed too high. The money for Zibanejad was fine, and he followed up that extension with several good season.
I don't really fault Drury for going that route with the options he had. It was probably the "right" move at the time.

Where it falls apart apparently is the NMC, he should have absolutely not given such an iron clad NMC and I think we see where it has ended up leading us

 

[will1066]

This episode was a fantastic listen. LB and Boyle were spitting fire the entire ep and really nailed it from start to finish, from the criticism of the players to coaching and everything in between.

Boyle was ready to throw hands at Zibanejad.

I was instructed that Mollie was super hot on this episode too.

 

[Machinehead]

You weren't the one I was calling out with this fyi.

I disagree that adding him would have been the right way to "contend." It would have been adding the biggest name available regardless of whether or not he fit. It wouldn't have been as stupid as giving up a bunch of assets for Elias Lindholm (who wouldn't fit and also isn't good) but it would have still been stupid.

Tossing him on PP2 would have been a complete waste too and thats exactly where he would have ended up (and rightfully, they weren't going to break up what was a top 3 unit in the league.)

I don't know what the Trouba thing really has to do with anything either. Pretty sure they could have fit Guentzel in with out doing any cap shenanigans.

It doesn't have to be Guentzel. They just need to start doing cap shenanigans. I'm tired of them not doing it.

They send guys out there to play at 50% with ailments other teams would hold a funeral service for.

 

[Levitate]

It doesn't have to be Guentzel. They just need to start doing cap shenanigans. I'm tired of them not doing it.

They send guys out there to play at 50% with ailments other teams would hold a funeral service for.

tbh I thought that was the whispered reason they let Ramsey go. Apparently not.

 

[haohmaru]

What you're describing isn't "treatment of players"

The McDonagh trade to Nashville is actually a GREAT example of how to handle this properly, and is in stark contrast to how things went with Drury last June. The Lightning GM sat McDonagh down at the team's exit meetings and told him what was up. McDonagh had a full-NTC, and there were deals being negotiated for a few weeks but none had come to fruition yet. Brisebois had set a deadline on when he needed to have the trade done, and if it wasn't going to be done by then, McDonagh would be put on waivers. The player *knew* this. Stamkos was told by the GM he wasn't going to be re-signed before he became a free agent. Marchand was told by the GM he was going to be traded before he was traded.

That's your take on it. My take on it is that McDonagh was told he was going to be moved and, if he didn't like it, he'd be waived if he didn't waive his no trade clause

Stamkos wanted to stay in TB and it didn't happen. The players didn't collapse
Marchand agreed to move, as did Trouba, and those players didn't collapse.

Meanwhile, Goodrow didn't know he was going to be waived until he was. Trouba was still under a NMC and Drury did not let him know that he was looking to trade him, and didn't find out until the deal to Detroit was pretty far down the road. It isn't about the fact that Goodrow was put on waivers and it isn't about the fact that Drury was trying to trade Trouba. It's about the fact that Drury treated the players like nothing more than assets, instead of treating them with courtesy and respect. It doesn't matter than both players were underperforming their contracts... they still deserved at least that from Drury.

Again, your take. My take on this is that Goodrow was told there was a deal with San Jose to be made and he declined to waive so the Rangers waived him

Trouba was extended the courtesy of providing his 15 team list after the framework of a deal with Detroit was in place and he, and his agent, cockblocked the Rangers into not being able to do ANYTHING. After that, he eventually did agree to a trade and... the players still sucked.

Rantannen is best buddies with McKinnon and was completely blindsided by his trade. Did McKinnon & Company take all their toys and go home or do they look like a Stanley Cup contender? Is Sakic doing things "courteously"?

-Does it absolve Trouba of the way he handled what came next? Of course not. He's allowed to use whatever methods his contract allows to prevent a move. But if you're going to do it the way he did, you better come into the season prepared to perform. Instead, he further poisoned the room.
-Does it absolve the rest of the team from the responsibility of their poor play the rest of the year? Absolutely not. You can be upset with your boss and still do your work with pride. Maybe it would take a few weeks to get over it, but it shouldn't linger any further than that.

In other words, the original sins that lead to this season were Drury's. The rest of it? That's on the players.

It all just a giant excuse for not putting for the effort and diligence required to win hockey games. Mika and co. are too comfortable and, obviously, don't care about winning enough. They aren't owed explanations by management for trying to make the team better. Drury tried the "nice" approach with Trouba and it bit him in the ass. Everyone is out for themselves.What else is new?

 

[Boris Zubov]

One thing Larry said during the podcast that shocked me was that he thought the rangers are not nearly as talented as the perception is. Didn’t expect that from him.

He read that here from a bunch of our posts.

 

[Tawnos]

The Rangers pretty much had two options for 1C at the time...trade for Eichel, or re-sign Zibanejad. Zibanejad was coming off some good seasons and the price for Eichel seemed too high. The money for Zibanejad was fine, and he followed up that extension with several good season.
I don't really fault Drury for going that route with the options he had. It was probably the "right" move at the time.

Where it falls apart apparently is the NMC, he should have absolutely not given such an iron clad NMC and I think we see where it has ended up leading us

He's had one pretty good season on his extension, not several. He's played 3 seasons.. 91 pts, 72 pts, and 58 pts. And even in the 91 point season, he'd already started showing signs of concern. That was the year he really started playing much more perimeter.

I wanted to re-sign him, but not for 8 years. 5 or 6? Sure.

 

[Machinehead]

He read that here from a bunch of our posts.

The difference is that people here post that hoping we'll get more talent.

Larry says that hoping we'll completely double down on it and acquire Josh Anderson to be the focal point of our offense.

 

[haohmaru]

I'm not a Mika defender but he didn't say that. He said communication was bad. And it was. If you're going to make these big,moves and ship out two very respected voices in the room, have the decency to speak with the team. f***, have the decency to speak with Goodrow who was willing to work with them to find a landing spot, before it goes down. Part of his job as GM is managing the team, he sucks at it. He should have the foresight to consider how his actions are going to effect the team. Here's one thing I'll give the team credit for, they completely see through his fake tough guy act.

This is crap. The GM did speak to Goodrow about waiving his NTC to go to San Jose. The player declined. The Rangers waived the player. How many landing spots do you think there were for a 3.6M player with 4 goals?

If Goodrow was so upset and is such a f***ing presence then why wasn't he coveted at the deadline? Why is he still in San Jose? Because he sucked again this year and is making the same money.

Drury tried to accommodate Trouba and get scorched. He was lucky to move both of these players at all.

 

[Greschner4]

Most likely, the main difference between Drury's dumping of Goodrow/Trouba and the other dumpings (McD, Stamkos, etc.), is that Drury already had the reputation as a douche. It's one thing to be "just businessed" by an otherwise decent GM with some level of people skills. But when a guy you already don't like does it, that's something different altogether.

The message in all of this is that the players can't stand Drury and don't want to bust ass for him. He's easily replaceable, so just ... replace him. He hasn't created an atmosphere where the talent wants to perform, and that's a huge piece of his job description.

So just move on. It's not as though his personnel skills are irreplaceable or anything. Frankly, those suck, too.

Call me crazy, but if you can't judge hockey talent and can't manage hockey talent, and hockey talent pretty much can't stand you and doesn't want to work hard for you, NHL GM probably isn't the job for you.

 

[Siddi]

There's a lot of lack of understanding that two things can be true at once. Hell, even three things can be true at once!

Drury f***ed up.
Laviolette f***ed up.
Most of the players on the team f***ed up.

So far, Laviolette is the only one whose faced any consequences for it, and I do find that frustrating. Zibanejad was the only player on breakup day who was even willing to hint that it wasn't just the players that screwed up this year. He was the only one willing to express anything remotely close to the full truth. Everyone else was just player-speak. And while I totally understand that people don't want to hear it from him after the year he had, at least it wasn't just the same old platitudes that we got from Fox and Trocheck.

Preach!

Meanwhile we have insane people creating a narrative around Mika demanding to be AGM.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The difference is that people here post that hoping we'll get more talent.

Larry says that hoping we'll completely double down on it and acquire Josh Anderson to be the focal point of our offense.

He also read that here. I'm half kidding. Pretty sure someone brought up his name recently. LOL.

 

[bhamill]

tbh I thought that was the whispered reason they let Ramsey go. Apparently not.

I thought I heard it was because of leaks.

 

[Graves94]

I would want Lou Lams as the President of the Rangers. His days as GM are over, but I'd want him in the organization to bring back order, accountability and much need stability to this team.
He was good friends with Sather, so...

 

[Greschner4]

I've typically found in life that, "He didn't communicate well with us" is usually just a nice way of saying, "None of us can stand him."

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This is crap. The GM did speak to Goodrow about waiving his NTC to go to San Jose. The player declined. The Rangers waived the player. How many landing spots do you think there were for a 3.6M player with 4 goals?

If Goodrow was so upset and is such a f***ing presence then why wasn't he coveted at the deadline? Why is he still in San Jose? Because he sucked again this year and is making the same money.

Drury tried to accommodate Trouba and get scorched. He was lucky to move both of these players at all.

This is false. Drury had a deal in place with his old college buddy who's team had the first pick in the waiver wire. It wasn't a trade. He didn't need Goodrow to do anything. Sneaky.

 

[haohmaru]

He's had one pretty good season on his extension, not several. He's played 3 seasons.. 91 pts, 72 pts, and 58 pts. And even in the 91 point season, he'd already started showing signs of concern. That was the year he really started playing much more perimeter.

I wanted to re-sign him, but not for 8 years. 5 or 6? Sure.

Mika had 62 this year.

 

[Machinehead]

He also read that here. I'm half kidding. Pretty sure someone brought up his name recently. LOL.

Somebody wanted to trade Mika for him which is one of those moves that like, just completely ignores the loss of 40 or so points. I tend to not like those moves.

 

[haohmaru]

This is false. Drury had a deal in place with his old college buddy who's team had the first pick in the waiver wire. It wasn't a trade. He didn't need Goodrow to do anything. Sneaky.

San Jose was on Goodrow's 15 team list. He still isn't "owed" anything.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

San Jose was on Goodrow's 15 team list. He still isn't "owed" anything.

Homie, you keep changing your story. Yes, SJ was on his list of teams he couldn't be traded to. So to get around that, because he sucks at his job, Drury simply waived Goodrow and oh, what do you know San Jose had first dibs.

 

[Siddi]

Most likely, the main difference between Drury's dumping of Goodrow/Trouba and the other dumpings (McD, Stamkos, etc.), is that Drury already had the reputation as a douche. It's one thing to be "just businessed" by an otherwise decent GM with some level of people skills. But when a guy you already don't like does it, that's something different altogether.

The message in all of this is that the players can't stand Drury and don't want to bust ass for him. He's easily replaceable, so just ... replace him. He hasn't created an atmosphere where the talent wants to perform, and that's a huge piece of his job description.

So just move on. It's not as though his personnel skills are irreplaceable or anything. Frankly, those suck, too.

Call me crazy, but if you can't judge hockey talent and can't manage hockey talent, and hockey talent pretty much can't stand you and doesn't want to work hard for you, NHL GM probably isn't the job for you.

Easiest fix in the world.

@Pawnee Rangers said it best. People are pro Drurys because they want him to remove players they hate. It is not even about what is good for the team anymore.

 

[zlev]

Somebody wanted to trade Mika for him which is one of those moves that like, just completely ignores the loss of 40 or so points. I tend to not like those moves.

nah he also had us getting Brendan Gallagher, too. that's 35 points for only 6.5mil AAV.