Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[TheTakedown]

12-4-1 because of Igor.

I remember a cryptic post from an “In the Know” poster here about the Rangers having a bit too much fun after a horrendous effort in Calgary. Never got more info but I do know they got shit pumped in Edmonton the next day. Then the memo from Fuhrer Drury came out that night. I can put 2+2 together.

That makes a load of sense. If you ever come across more info I'd be interested in hearing it

 

[TheTakedown]

The 90 point player is gonna be gone before we're competitive again.

Also, this notion we're seeing recently that Chytil was somehow negative value is big time cope.

You really think this team is a lottery team next year with the core 5 players?

Think again... This team is not built to tank as much as you and some others might think they are primed to be

 

[bhamill]

How funny of Larry Brooks on the latest Up In The Blueseats. As much ink as he's spilled on "Did. You. See. Chris?" he would like to see Kreids finish his career here.

I think we would all have liked Chris to finish his career here. And if he by some chance survives the summer without getting traded and he acceptably (no one is expecting 50 goal Kreider ever again, but 25-35 goals and real, consistent engagement would be nice) turns it around next season, I think most of us would still be up for that.

 

[Machinehead]

I find it odd that the people most harping on culture issues as the root cause of the problems are also the most adamant that team is close to getting back on track.

A couple of holes filled with the right guys can change a roster.

If the culture is as bad as is being implied, doesn't that seem like the kind of thing that needs to be completely fumigated?

I mean, I already know the answer. JT Messier is going to completely transform the organization.

Still seems odd to me.

 

[n8]

Do you all think Kaliyev is going to be let go? I bet most people forgot he was still on the team.

 

[Machinehead]

You really think this team is a lottery team next year with the core 5 players?

Yes.

This team has so many holes that they trigger trypophobia.

 

[bhamill]

Miller's comments scream like he was held hostage by Housley and he is ready for tutelage under a real coach.

Let’s hope so.

 

[n8]

Weird moment during Edstrom's exit interview where they ask him about his injury and he was vague about it "lower body injury" so then they shift their tactics and ask him if he had surgery. Ed looks off to the side, I'm 99% sure he got the nod from someone in PR before answering "Yeah" to which all in the room break out in laughter, presumably acknowledging that exchange. It feels like he would like to talk about it openly but for some reason can't? I can't imagine what types of lower body surgeries would both be considered private or something to not disclose (insurance reasons?) and keep him out that long.

 

[n8]

Miller's comments scream like he was held hostage by Housley and he is ready for tutelage under a real coach.

Assuming K'Andre. What did he say? I tried to watch his interview but fell asleep. He sucked my will to live through the monitor.

 

[Machinehead]

Weird moment during Edstrom's exit interview where they ask him about his injury and he was vague about it "lower body injury" so then they shift their tactics and ask him if he had surgery. Ed looks off to the side, I'm 99% sure he got the nod from someone in PR before answering "Yeah" to which all in the room break out in laughter, presumably acknowledging that exchange. It feels like he would like to talk about it openly but for some reason can't? I can't imagine what types of lower body surgeries would both be considered private or something to not disclose (insurance reasons?) and keep him out that long.

The NHL is just completely f***ing banana bread about injuries.

They talk about them like mobsters planning a hit who know they're on a tapped line.

 

[mrhockey193195]

I find it odd that the people most harping on culture issues as the root cause of the problems are also the most adamant that team is close to getting back on track.

A couple of holes filled with the right guys can change a roster.

If the culture is as bad as is being implied, doesn't that seem like the kind of thing that needs to be completely fumigated?

I mean, I already know the answer. JT Messier is going to completely transform the organization.

Still seems odd to me.

I know I'm in the minority, but the culture issues to me are mostly caused by Dolan & Drury. I'm far less worried about culture issues from the players themselves (although I'm holding my breath with JTM...)

 

[17futurecap]

The NHL is just completely f***ing banana bread about injuries.

They talk about them like mobsters planning a hit who know they're on a tapped line.

And in baseball, anytime a player is put on the DL, we know the body part, in football Adam Schefter has the injury with the guy still in the trainers room during the game, and in basketball Shams the same.

 

[TheTakedown]

I find it odd that the people most harping on culture issues as the root cause of the problems are also the most adamant that team is close to getting back on track.

A couple of holes filled with the right guys can change a roster.

If the culture is as bad as is being implied, doesn't that seem like the kind of thing that needs to be completely fumigated?

I mean, I already know the answer. JT Messier is going to completely transform the organization.

Still seems odd to me.

It only takes a couple bad apples to ruin a perfectly good apple pie.

Additionally, a few highly-effective and positive influences can make a very big difference on a small group of 20 guys, especially when the majority of these guys are still impressionable and ready to play.

Right now, it's basically 3-4 guys + 2 moronic coaches who truly quit on this team. You excise those tumors and put in some positive influence, then start winning games, and you'd be surprised at how fast things turn around.

 

[Alluckks]

I'm not pissed that he exercised his trade protection, I don't like how entitled & special he acted. But let's be clear, he wasn't doing ANYONE any favors...sounds like you're erroneously thinking he had full trade protection when he only had a 15 team no trade list.

Because he didn't have a full NTC, there was nothing to waive, nor would there be any reason for the Rangers to incentivize him to do so. However, he & his agent strategically maneuvered around it when they began feeding the media his rumored destinations. Larry Brooks on spitting chicklets basically confirmed that he & his agent were the ones that leaked the Detroit rumors & how he didn't want to leave NY, which basically killed his value last summer & preventing Drury from making a deal becuase he had zero leverage. No chance we get anything back for him & we probably have to retain at that point once all the issues about his wife were put out there.

Not only did he relent in December he admitted he quit on the team. So we're back to this issue about him & his teammates punting the season. Trouba is exhibit A. You don't think his friends on the team didn't follow his lead when they were in the midst of a 4-15 collapse, showing absolutely zero heart or effort?

Regardless, Trouba was the one who came out & said that when Drury told him he would be waived, Drury also did the right thing by trading him to Anaheim. California is full of teaching hospitals & winding up in sunny So Cal isn't a bad punishment when you suck at your previous job & quit on your team. I'd call that doing right by him. Anyway, Trouba was the source on that when he did an interview immediately following the trade. Look it up.

You think he did nothing wrong. I & many others think he acted like a self entitled prick... he had a prior history of being a self entitled prick. Your views are very player centric. Usually I am too, but this core can get f***ed. I've never despised an entire team more than this one.

This stuff has been so well documented that I am shocked at people who think otherwise. If you want to think different of Trouba then fine, but it has to start with admitting all these shortcomings, greasy weasel tactics, and honestly ridiculous double standard attitude issues did exist with him in the end. It was a poison pill.

 

[Alluckks]

The 90 point player is gonna be gone before we're competitive again.

Also, this notion we're seeing recently that Chytil was somehow negative value is big time cope.

Saying he had negative value is a farce. However, his value was as volatile as cryptocurrency. We traded him at a good time.

 

[Alluckks]

I find it odd that the people most harping on culture issues as the root cause of the problems are also the most adamant that team is close to getting back on track.

A couple of holes filled with the right guys can change a roster.

If the culture is as bad as is being implied, doesn't that seem like the kind of thing that needs to be completely fumigated?

I mean, I already know the answer. JT Messier is going to completely transform the organization.

Still seems odd to me.

It's both. The culture was ass, which started with a rotting head of vets that were moping with no accountability or care all year, who have blown 3 straight playoff series leads in the last 3 years, and threw a collective temper tantrum when the worst of the worst players got removed just as a start of the purge.

Culture is easier to fix than getting star players. You gotta start somewhere. It isn't just snap your fingers and it all gets fixed.

Do I think Drury is some great GM? Absolutely not. But, he has done some decent things and he isn't going anywhere this year so I'm instead going to focus on what moves can/should be made with the players to get things back on track rather than just changing my name to a character from a tv show and posting "fire drury" 5 times a day.

 

[n8]

It's both. The culture was ass, which started with a rotting head of vets that were moping with no accountability or care all year, who have blown 3 straight playoff series leads in the last 3 years, and threw a collective temper tantrum when the worst of the worst players got removed just as a start of the purge.

Culture is easier to fix than getting star players. You gotta start somewhere. It isn't just snap your fingers and it all gets fixed.

Do I think Drury is some great GM? Absolutely not. But, he has done some decent things and he isn't going anywhere this year so I'm instead going to focus on what moves can/should be made with the players to get things back on track rather than just changing my name to a character from a tv show and posting "fire drury" 5 times a day.

Culture is definitely an issue. I think when Goodrow was ripped out and Trouba survived his assassination attempt, the culture absolutely collapsed. And coming off a crushing loss vs Florida, the burden of the last season's performance just crushed the team.

So yes, culture can recover but we also have to build up the players' mental resiliency so they can face that type of adversity together and bring more Nylander energy instead of Marner-baby-slamming-his-gloves energy which at least shows more emotion then the sad emo K'Andre, Mika, and CK vibes we got this season.

 

[effen]

I find it odd that the people most harping on culture issues as the root cause of the problems are also the most adamant that team is close to getting back on track.

A couple of holes filled with the right guys can change a roster.

If the culture is as bad as is being implied, doesn't that seem like the kind of thing that needs to be completely fumigated?

I mean, I already know the answer. JT Messier is going to completely transform the organization.

Still seems odd to me.

The core is Mika, Kreider, Fox, Lafreniere, and Panarin. You need to lose at least 2 of the 5 and ideally more than that. This is made hard by convenient injury announcements, NMCs, and big contracts. Realistically its hard to turn over that many big ticket guys. I think they can do 2, and I think that'll matter.

 

[effen]

Weird moment during Edstrom's exit interview where they ask him about his injury and he was vague about it "lower body injury" so then they shift their tactics and ask him if he had surgery. Ed looks off to the side, I'm 99% sure he got the nod from someone in PR before answering "Yeah" to which all in the room break out in laughter, presumably acknowledging that exchange. It feels like he would like to talk about it openly but for some reason can't? I can't imagine what types of lower body surgeries would both be considered private or something to not disclose (insurance reasons?) and keep him out that long.

Culture of fear with the press.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I know I'm in the minority, but the culture issues to me are mostly caused by Dolan & Drury. I'm far less worried about culture issues from the players themselves (although I'm holding my breath with JTM...)

I don’t think people realize how shitty losing is especially when there’s expectations. You can have all the intangibles and leaders and grit and all that nonsense and none of it matters when you suck at hockey and lose all season. This was bound to become a complete disaster eventually with Drury making zero good picks or acquisitions to extend the window.

Who was stopping NYR from transitioning some of their core to younger better players like Dallas? People direct all their hate at Mika/Kreider as if they’re the ones who prevented that.

 

[Siddi]

You need me to share a link for you to just listen to reactions of clean out day? Don't be dense, you can find it easy and people have posted some of it even on these boards.

Narrative that Mika wanted a part in roster decisions? Seriously? Have you paid attention to anything going on with this team? Haha

You made a statement claiming that former players universally hammered Zibanejad for his comments.
The only former player who commented on Mikas comment that we know of is Boyle. You either blatantly lied or at best highly exaggerated to further your narrative.

Which is it?

Edit: For the sake of fairness, a second former player commented on Mika, Vally. But that is still a far cry from what you tried to convey in your initial post.

 

[Siddi]

And it’s one of the main reasons JT Miller is here now. Because the locker room of soft crybaby’s like Mika can’t pull themselves together when adversity hits.

Soft crybaby JT Miller was benched and the very next day took his ball and went home crying leaving his team out to dry for a month.

 

[surlysailor]

80% of this roster was put together by Gorton. Who is a "Drury acquisition" outside of Reilly Smith, Barclay Goodrow, and a couple of non-descript bottom 6ers / bottom pair dmen?

There is nobody else. This is GORTONS roster that was put together to its near-final form in 2021-22

Drury had his chance to put his finger prints on this roster, he just didn’t do anything with it. He’s the one that extended Z, shesty, & fox. He botched the Buch trade which left a hole at rw that he’s been trying to fill since, he wasted away draft capital to fix his nemeth mistake. Troch was his only good FA signing. The only players who were signed long term under Gorton was Trouba, Panarin & Kreider.

 

[NickyFotiu]

There are quite a few examples of players who have the output of Miller playing very well in to their mid to late 30’s. He’s not 38 years old.

Since when was 33 (and in fairness he’s not 33 yet…) was a fossil?

Drury turned Mancini, who appeared to not have a good idea of how to play defense at the NHL or AHL level as of yet, Chytil who was a skating time bomb for LTIR and a middling 1st in a shit draft for a player who, should the team 3-4 years from now want to move on from, would likely return more than what he costed this season.

Kreider just had a horrendous season and even he is likely to return comparable to this cost and he’s older and has never had the offensive production Miller has had over his last 3 seasons.

I get it, you don’t like the direction you perceive this to have the team going in but Drury trading for Miller, based on the actual cost, was a no-brained. ESPECIALLY if he has interest in trading Panarin and Kreider this offseason.

JT just turned 32 last month. I guess 32 is the new 33?

 

[RangersFan1994]

The bigger issue is since the Ramsey firing, why do the Rangers, let Schneider and Kreider played hurt so much they couldn't perform to the standards that they are used too. This is a big Drury issue. Rangers need to improve in this area.