Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVIII
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Mac n Gs
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Semantics here, but isn't it only top-3 protected? If ARI goes on a skid, the Devils could still end up with two top-15 picks in a loaded draft class.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
Of course they did.
They'll also tell you that JP and Jost are worth a hefty price tag as well.
First rounds picks are all that they've had to cling to for so long that it's like parting with children for some of their fans.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Guys... I always thought that's what lottery protected meant. It's protected if they win the lottery. When it's been different, it's been said a different way. i.e. "top-10 protected"
The only thing I can say in Kreider’s defense is that when he has steamrolled players, the referees called penalties to the point of keeping him passive.
On the other hand, he doesn’t seem to be able to adjust his speed or body position to make cleaner hits either. He could quite possibly learn to bend down a bit hit cleanly to please the refs.
Drop the 4th OA from his record and he's a solid, physical middle 6-er.
I'd take a shot at him.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Edge
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At the end of the day, the same reasons why there is the hesitation to move Kreider, and concerns about replacing him, is exactly why someone else wants him.
They don't have that depth piece or wing for their center. They want that depth or wing for their center.
Chris Kreider, without having a real hot streak yet this season, is pacing at 20 goals and 45 points. And that includes going without a goal for the first 10 percent of the season. Since that time, he's right back where he's been the last few years --- a roughly 28 goal, 50+ point pace. So no, his value is not going to drop because he went goal-less the first 8 games of the season.
The asking price will be a first and a B-prospect. Teams know this. Everyone expects it. Maybe you have a slight bidding war and the prospect becomes a bit more enticing, or maybe it comes down to which pick the Rangers think will be higher (look at what happened with Winnipeg's last season). Or maybe someone gives the Rangers a younger player that they like more than a late first.
Kreider's value and market really isn't hard to determine or establish. It will be there.
They don't have that depth piece or wing for their center. They want that depth or wing for their center.
Chris Kreider, without having a real hot streak yet this season, is pacing at 20 goals and 45 points. And that includes going without a goal for the first 10 percent of the season. Since that time, he's right back where he's been the last few years --- a roughly 28 goal, 50+ point pace. So no, his value is not going to drop because he went goal-less the first 8 games of the season.
The asking price will be a first and a B-prospect. Teams know this. Everyone expects it. Maybe you have a slight bidding war and the prospect becomes a bit more enticing, or maybe it comes down to which pick the Rangers think will be higher (look at what happened with Winnipeg's last season). Or maybe someone gives the Rangers a younger player that they like more than a late first.
Kreider's value and market really isn't hard to determine or establish. It will be there.
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Yeah if there is one thing JG has done since the letter, it's open up several avenues.
Established player? We have the assets for that (see Trouba)
Rental Players for sale? We've been doing that.
Packing picks in order to move up? We've had and will probably continue to have the volume to do that at least for one more draft.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
And he'd fit right in line with the age range, and the Rangers mentality of, "We didn't draft him 4th overall."
I wouldn't mind having Bennett on our squad. Hell, I'd love to see him next to Lemieux on the third line.
Shesterkybomb
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I'd even be happy if he just used his speed to get in on the d and separate them from the puck, I'm not looking for him to decapitate anyone just use his speed and size to get the puck and force dmen into making quicker more panicked decisions.
romba
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You heard it here first folks:
Ck + Rangers 3rd round pick 2021
For B- prospect + three 5th rounders that become firsts (2019,2020,2021) if trade partner wins the cup that year.
If CK resigns with the team then an extra 4th rounder gets thrown in. If CK resigns with Rangers 3rd round pick sent over becomes a 2nd.
Rangers of course resign CK in the offseason 7 mil/season.
Am I doing this right? Is that enough conditionals to satisfy Rangers brass?
Ck + Rangers 3rd round pick 2021
For B- prospect + three 5th rounders that become firsts (2019,2020,2021) if trade partner wins the cup that year.
If CK resigns with the team then an extra 4th rounder gets thrown in. If CK resigns with Rangers 3rd round pick sent over becomes a 2nd.
Rangers of course resign CK in the offseason 7 mil/season.
Am I doing this right? Is that enough conditionals to satisfy Rangers brass?
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
I'm continually surprised by the resistance to adding players who haven't put it all together yet. Especially considering how many guys our roster is comprised of who didn't put it all together with their old team. Zibanejad, Strome, Lemieux, and ADA were in very similar situations to guys like Jost, Puljujarvi, and Bennett not that long ago. Of course its not a guarantee that those players take steps forward, there are plenty of examples where guys didn't, but the Rangers thus far have done a very good job of identifying those players.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think he's a solid third line option.
I think if he was taken 24th overall, people wouldn't have a problem. But at 4th overall, one pick after Draisaitl, and with Nylander, Ehlers, Larkin and others still on the board, it's not going to be a beloved pick.
Tawnos
A guy with a bass
Agreed on that point. Bennett can still take a step forward, but I'd hesitate to say he *is* a middle-6 guy. His production is pretty low. He's only hit 30 points once. Last year he paced it. This year, he has 5 points in 21 games.
That's the kind of thing we see out of Fast, who is a 3rd line option when we don't have enough top-9 depth, but he's best suited to the 4th.
Off Sides
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I can get behind the Nylander idea, he would fit the team as a primary player, or at least he has the talent to do so.
Yet the other stuff, like adding more to the Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Lias, etc grouping, I guess I don't see the value there given they already have a grouping of those players.
I'd rather have the picks and hope some other team ends up in a situation where they have to move someone they do not want to. At that point two 2nd round picks looks pretty good to them.
These deemed expendable prospects/players as add-ons at the deadlines by those who are renting, were deemed expendable for reasons beyond that they just had not put it all together yet. If the Rangers were renting, who would they make expendable, would it be Chytil or Lias for example.
Yet the other stuff, like adding more to the Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, Lias, etc grouping, I guess I don't see the value there given they already have a grouping of those players.
I'd rather have the picks and hope some other team ends up in a situation where they have to move someone they do not want to. At that point two 2nd round picks looks pretty good to them.
These deemed expendable prospects/players as add-ons at the deadlines by those who are renting, were deemed expendable for reasons beyond that they just had not put it all together yet. If the Rangers were renting, who would they make expendable, would it be Chytil or Lias for example.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
And ultimately, that's somewhat of the internal debate.
Do you take the dinette set or go for the mystery prize behind door number one.
But the whole putting it all together debate always gets dicey. Everyone has their players who they like and think can put it together, and an equally long, if not longer list of players they think won't.
So when you have guys like JP, Jost, Bennett, etc. there's going to be more variation in opinions.
I think picks are sexier to our fanbase, but I really don't think they are the preference of the organization this time around.
I do think if they get younger players, who haven't lived up to their potential, you're more likely to see some negative reactions around. Never mind the fact that the same outcome would be considered a success for a pick in the 24-31 range, it's a bit of a perception thing.
I think there's some hope in believing that there's a chance the pick could be a home run, even if it's relatively small, rather than more or less knowing that a player is more or less what they're going to be, with maybe a decent chance to be a little more, but not quite a home run.
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I'm confused who we're adding to that group though.
I mean if we talk Jost and Bennett, they're ahead of Howden and Lias at this point. They're a known quantity, as oppossed to the latter two for whom we still don't know at this point.
On defense, I don't know if I see us adding more depth defenseman.
Irishguy42
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JimmyG89
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I would claim either winger and send Haley packing. At least these guys are decent tweeners, if not 4th line types.
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