Roster Building Thread : Part XVIII ( TDL is March 7th)

[McRanger92]

Some of you guys don't even know your own team's history and it shows.

 

[effen]

Other than Panarin and 2 JT Miller games and funny enough a Will Borgen game, the Rangers have not had a guy be the best player on the ice and drag the team to a win all year. Every non-goalie on the team is a complimentary guy. All of them.

Lafreniere being a complete passenger for 95% of the games this year is the biggest culprit of their failures this year. They needed him (and Kakko and Chytil) to step in when the core aged and not a one of them stepped up.

When you look back at it Laf had 57 points in a year his linemates had 120 and 77 and like three nice playoff goals. Woop de damn doo. Cashed his 50 million and gave up. He goes too.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I guess we're kind of in agreement, but this entire paragraph is basically saying that. Every defenseman on the team has gotten worse under Housley (the forwards have gotten worse defensively too) and if Lavi were as smug as AV and Gallant he'd be despised as much as they were by the time they were fired.

Yeah, that's fair. I know that I'm taking a position on the coaching staff that's more lenient than it would be if the times were different. FWIW, I think that position would be the same right now if it was AV, and his face makes my jaws clench.

I think, to a degree, I feel that narratives that build on HF have some genuine impact on the team (lol), so I do tend to try to contribute to them in a way that has some impact on what I think is best. In this case, that means ignoring that Housley hasn't shown shit, and Lavi has let a weak lockerroom run him over, much moreso than Gallant did.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Other than Panarin and 2 JT Miller games and funny enough a Will Borgen game, the Rangers have not had a guy be the best player on the ice and drag the team to a win all year. Every non-goalie on the team is a complimentary guy. All of them.

Lafreniere being a complete passenger for 95% of the games this year is the biggest culprit of their failures this year. They needed him (and Kakko and Chytil) to step in when the core aged and not a one of them stepped up.

When you look back at it Laf had 57 points in a year his linemates had 120 and 77 and like three nice playoff goals. Woop de damn doo. Cashed his 50 million and gave up. He goes too.

his linemates were also on the PP and he wasn't, so the discrepancy isnt as big as it looks.

But he's been a joke this season, no doubt.

 

[DanielBrassard]

They won the President's Trophy last year. This season was a disappointment but the woe is me stuff from Rangers fans is part of this culture too. We have no patience and are not owed anything just because the team has been around longer than most. Move on from the vets who have been here 7, 8, 9+ years and haven't gotten it done. The younger part of the roster is absolutely salvageable. We'll compete next year as long as this loser mentality is done away with.

The Rangers were arguably one of the worst teams to ever win the presidents trophy. I mean literally everything went their way last season. The amount of comeback wins, the amount of 1-goal games they won. Their goal differential at 5v5 was +1. That’s awful for a team that won the presidents trophy and might be the worst mark ever.

If last season wasn’t the biggest fluke season ever I don’t know what was.

Going back to 2007-2008, the next worst goal differential at 5v5 for a presidents trophy winning team was +9 by the 2008-2009 Sharks.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Even if they pick top 10 this year I’m convinced they will trade it

Drury doesn’t give a f*** about 3-4 years from now when that pick will play. His ass is on the line in the next 18-24 months

Is it though?

How do we know that?

 

[McRanger92]

I get the valid complaints regarding guys like Lafreniere and K'Andre and Fox this year but Id rather look for a bounce backs from a bunch of guys in their mid to low 20s instead of trading them at their lowest value. It's frustrating but its part of seeing the forest for the trees. if the rangers take a step back the next year or 2, these guys will still be very young and under contract. They have to look to unload the contracts of the 30 year old guys who are not pulling their weight before they think about trading 23 year olds. Just my opinion.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers were arguably one of the worst teams to ever win the presidents trophy. I mean literally everything went their way last season. The amount of comeback wins, the amount of 1-goal games they won. Their goal differential at 5v5 was +1. That’s awful for a team that won the presidents trophy and might be the worst mark ever.

If last season wasn’t the biggest fluke season ever I don’t know what was.

Going back to 2007-2008, the next worst goal differential at 5v5 for a presidents trophy winning team was +9 by the 2008-2009 Sharks.

The original poster was talking about how the Rangers are never competitive. Regardless of the underlying numbers, they've been more than competitive.

And I'm also aware that every good thing the Rangers ever did was a fluke.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Yeah I’d say Cooper is like the current pinnacle of coaching in the NHL. Even then not that hard when you have Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Vasi, and then the myriad of insanely good depth players on top of those guys

Yeah, T.B is a case where you have a real good coach and real good front office working in concert. Even when they make mistakes (Jeanott), they admit their mistake, correct it and move on as quickly as possible.

 

[DanielBrassard]

The original poster was talking about how the Rangers are never competitive. Regardless of the underlying numbers, they've been more than competitive.

And I'm also aware that every good thing the Rangers ever did was a fluke.

Competitive but never good enough, so frankly in the end it’s all the same shit anyway. When will this team ever be excellent? They’ve been excellent a couple times in the past 30 years. Tired of the mediocrity.

You don’t think a team with the worst goal differential in the last 20 years of a presidents trophy winning team isn’t flukey? Be objective.

 

[majordomo]

The Rangers may not be able to waive Kreider considering he has a NMC for his entire contract per CapWages (different on PuckPedia so who knows which is correct). CapFriendly listed him with a NMC for the whole deal and a modified NTC the last 3 years so I'm assuming that's correct.

If the last three seasons have a modified NTC, he can be waived.

 

[McRanger92]

Competitive but never good enough, so frankly in the end it’s all the same shit anyway. When will this team ever be excellent? They’ve been excellent a couple times in the past 30 years. Tired of the mediocrity.

You don’t think a team with the worst goal differential in the last 20 years of a presidents trophy winning team isn’t flukey? Be objective.

It really doesn't matter what I think about last season. If the Rangers 5v5 goal differential was better it still wouldve guaranteed nothing.

I root for enough losing teams to know that it's never as bad as we make it out to be in the moment. Also that it's hard to win and win consistently. I know in 93 they had a similar season to this one coming off a President's trophy. Im not saying we're winning the Cup next year but I am saying none of us know whats going to happen. regardless of who is in charge more changes are coming and I consider that a good thing and a necessary, because i do love the franchise and what's become of the culture is deplorable...

 

[SA16]

If the last three seasons have a modified NTC, he can be waived.

Not if it's a NMC with a modified NTC. Can't be waived but can only be traded to 15 teams. That's what both CapFriendly and CapWages have.

 

[effen]

his linemates were also on the PP and he wasn't, so the discrepancy isnt as big as it looks.

But he's been a joke this season, no doubt.

He's the #3 guy on every line he's on. Sam Carrick lugs the puck better than he does.

We know he has largely no speed but the bigger issue skating wise is he has absolutely terrible agility and evasion. I realized he hugs the boards and endlessly goes wide because he's easily swallowed up by anyone marking him so his only way to create separation is to run away from the middle of the ice.

 

[EdJovanovski]

First practice since before the trade deadline LMAO

 

[majordomo]

Not if it's a NMC with a modified NTC. Can't be waived but can only be traded to 15 teams. That's what both CapFriendly and CapWages have.

You can't combine the two...you either have a NMC or NTC. CK had NMC the first 4 years of contract -- which means he could not be traded, waived or sent to the minors without his permission. The NMC changed to a modified NTC in year 4 -- which means he can be traded, waived or sent to minors...however, he can only be traded to the teams on his list. It's the same situation as Goodrow.

 

[SA16]

You can't combine the two...you either have a NMC or NTC. CK had NMC the first 4 years of contract -- which means he could not be traded, waived or sent to the minors without his permission. The NMC changed to a modified NTC in year 4 -- which means he can be traded, waived or sent to minors...however, he can only be traded to the teams on his list. It's the same situation as Goodrow.

Yes you can. It happens all the time. https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/nmc-m-ntc

 

[Siddi]

I have been inspired to come up w/a solution to what to do about Kreider.

I am not sure, but I think if a guy 111% retires due to injury [as opposed to a buy out and the guy becomes a free agent], I think there may be some flexibility that could serve us here.

Say we buy Kreider out immediately, every penny.
We give him a contract as a specialty coach so he can hang with the team and try to help Rempe and some of the other big guys knocking on the door in a season or 2.
We also say IF and when his back is 111% sufficiently healed, THEN and in that event, we will give him a full chance to return as a player. It is agreed this cannot take place until calendar year 2026 at the very earliest, and may be longer if league rules require same.

Now we did the right thing by one of our best ever Fs, and we recover full pop on CK salary.

Side benefit is it sends message to shesty, zib etc we are breaking it up, this can be easy, or it can be rough

Is there any NHL rules/protocol that dramatically disallows the above scenario?

You do realize that Zibanejad is ahead of Kreider in being "one of our best ever Fs" with 200 games less played?

 

[haohmaru]

First practice since before the trade deadline LMAO

I hope they practice passing.

 

[haohmaru]

You do realize that Zibanejad is ahead of Kreider in being "one of our best ever Fs" with 200 games less played?

You'll got a more nonsensical response if you address this to your nearest wall.

 

[Siddi]

You'll got a more nonsensical response if you address this to your nearest wall.

I dont know man. I still carry some hope that I will get through to him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I want him to stay for the retool. We kinda know he has zero f***s trading or getting rid of players, no matter who you are. If we get a new GM he may be stupid and try to work with the country club boys and cater to them, then we solve zero problems.

No thanks, why would we want him in charge of any other moves especially when he's turned this team into a dumpster fire? Kreider is gone, Mika may or may not be because of his trade protection, that's all that's left. I for one don't want him in charge of a Kreider trade given all the "guys they have been targeting for a while" can't get into this shit lineup. Kreider should have a good return, as much as he's sucked this year I think most around the league realize he's not 100%. I could see us getting a Rick Nash type haul for him, I dont want Drury in charge of that. Drury should have been gone before the Kakko trade. He actually should have been gone when we started the season with Trouba on the roster, he bundled that big time by not getting his no trade list before making a deal. He's toast and I want another gm.

 

[kovazub94]

This season has been a disaster of epic proportions. I don't think it's going to be a complete clean out but I can see major major changes and I'm not sure too many players are going to be safe. My guess is Igor will be if only because of the massive deal he signed and probably not Quick either. Will Cuylle I would think is safe. Probably JT Miller. Anyone else on the main roster could move. I don't think Laviolette is coming back even if we do make the playoffs. My guess is Drury has less than a 50% chance of coming back. Laviolette will probably get a new job down the line. If Drury gets axed I think his days as an NHL GM will be over. He'll never get another.

Even with a disaster of a season, after two trips to ECF in the last 3 years I think Drury will get another shot if he's able to sell Dolan on his vision going into the next year but I don't think he will survive past Christmas if it falls below expectations. I bet Drury will try to sell that this horrible season is not a true indicator but an outlier where everything that could go wrong - did go wrong, that the actual base line for this group is already solidly being a playoff team, that most hard work has already been down and with only a couple of remaining changes - the team will be a contender next season. If Dolan buys this - Drury will stay

Similarly I think Drury will get another shot at GMing elsewhere.

 

[zlev]

Be careful what you wish for in regards to firing Drury. There is a high likelihood the replacement is worst. It's going to be Holland or Chiarelli. I kinda like Brendan Shanahan if we're looking for a Rangers connection in a guy with executive level experience.

anyone is better than Drury. this guy is so far out of his depth it's unreal. give me literally anyone else.

edit: ok, anyone except Lou

 

[kovazub94]

If this team drafts this upcoming draft (13 or better) no way can they trade or let go of Panarin unfortunately.
Having no first rounder in 26 and risk of letting the Penguins get a top 10 pick or worse!
They probably feel the same way about 93 ugh!

The team has to be competitive next year. That is exactly why I did not want the JT Miller trade because of the possibility this team would miss the playoffs this year and possibly be worse next year which is looking more and more likely. Teams around us getting better next year as well. Plus we keep playing our future guys like Berard and Othmann 4th line minutes and scratching them.

What does it (possibility of being worse next year than this) have to do with JTM - who got here essentially for Chytil?