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Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

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SnowblindNYR said:
They haven't hit and that's the point. And Kakko has yet to have a season anywhere close to Lafreniere. And Lafreniere prior to the extension had a fantastic start to the season after a breakout season last year and just like everyone he sunk. He would have done a lot better in Seattle than he's doing here.
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I don’t think we know that. As of right now it’s obvious what the outlier was.

But yeah back to square one. The Rangers are in this position because their highest paid guys are not performing as such, and the ones with NMCs may not be movable. And of course we can’t attach draft compensation to move these guys because it’s already been traded away. Therefore, either embrace the suck and expect more seasons like this, or be prepared to make some very tough decisions. That’s it
 
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Savant said:
I don’t think we know that. As of right now it’s obvious what the outlier was.

But yeah back to square one. The Rangers are in this position because their highest paid guys are not performing as such, and the ones with NMCs may not be movable. And of course we can’t attach draft compensation to move these guys because it’s already been traded away. Therefore, either embrace the suck and expect more seasons like this, or be prepared to make some very tough decisions. That’s it
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And yet Kakko still hasn't had anything close to the season Lafreniere had. And that's beside the point, two highly touted top two picks have become what second liners at best? This is the holy grail you're chasing?
 
SnowblindNYR said:
And yet Kakko still hasn't had anything close to the season Lafreniere had. And that's beside the point, two highly touted top two picks have become what second liners at best? This is the holy grail you're chasing?
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Kakko wasn’t getting carried by Panarin and Trocheck, (both having all star seasons) either.

Being bad the right year helps, but the holy grail is having a POHO/GM that makes the right picks and right trades and a coach that can develop the talent. It’s very clear it’s a process problem with the Rangers. They’ve been able to hide behind Igor, but with everyone in free fall that’s becoming a lot less easy to do
 
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I'm ready to trade Schneider too.

I'm not seeing a top 4 RHD. Looks more and more like he's a 3rd pairing guy. I get he is 22, but I don't see defensive improvements from him. He should be starting to "get it" and it looks like he is further from it.

If you want a ticket at a young center, it'll start right here.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
I'm ready to trade Schneider too.

I'm not seeing a top 4 RHD. Looks more and more like he's a 3rd pairing guy. I get he is 22, but I don't see defensive improvements from him. He should be starting to "get it" and it looks like he is further from it.

If you want a ticket at a young center, it'll start right here.
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Schneider is fine. Make the other 8 trades first.

The Crypto Guy said:
Start making the f***ing trades already and get the team ready for next season. Team is so f***ing awful. No way we earned that win today.
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The guys that know they won't be here are just going through the motions and waiting to be moved. The guys that know that they won't be moved are just going through the motions and waiting for a new group to settle in and start over. It's lame as hell to watch.
 
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JimmyG89 said:
I'm ready to trade Schneider too.

I'm not seeing a top 4 RHD. Looks more and more like he's a 3rd pairing guy. I get he is 22, but I don't see defensive improvements from him. He should be starting to "get it" and it looks like he is further from it.

If you want a ticket at a young center, it'll start right here.
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He also is one of the few players who probably has the trade value to be used in a deal for a player we really could use. I know you mentioned center but even LD or wing would be fine.
 
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Savant said:
Kakko wasn’t getting carried by Panarin and Trocheck, (both having all star seasons) either.

Being bad the right year helps, but the holy grail is having a POHO/GM that makes the right picks and right trades and a coach that can develop the talent. It’s very clear it’s a process problem with the Rangers. They’ve been able to hide behind Igor, but with everyone in free fall that’s becoming a lot less easy to do
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If you actually watched them play, Lafreniere wasn't carried by anyone. Give me a break. Just because he sucks this year doesn't give you license to make shit up. All three were great offensively last year. And once again, if both Lafreniere and Kakko end up hitting you still have two second liners, MAYBE Lafreinere can be an average first liner. That's two top 2 picks who were NOT wrong picks, both were universally considered to be the pick where we picked them and they have not resulted in anything close to the players that would make you a cup winner as the best players on a team.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
If you actually watched them play, Lafreniere wasn't carried by anyone. Give me a break. Just because he sucks this year doesn't give you license to make shit up. All three were great offensively last year. And once again, if both Lafreniere and Kakko end up hitting you still have two second liners, MAYBE Lafreinere can be an average first liner. That's two top 2 picks who were NOT wrong picks, both were universally considered to be the pick where we picked them and they have not resulted in anything close to the players that would make you a cup winner as the best players on a team.
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again. The rangers botched this and need to look into the mirror of why they botched it.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
The UFA's are obvious moves but Panarin needs to be right behind them.

I know thats an offseason move but it needs to happen. More important than moving the Bromance or anyone else that you may deem to be a problem.
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I've pushed for the Panarin move for over 2 years. His selective effort and obvious indifference is infectious, not in a good way. Laffy continues to be impressionable and tries to play like Panarin without having the same level of skill or skating. It's hard to watch
 
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I wouldnt be so quick to trade Lafreniere and Schneider, who have regressed. They are young. The logical thing to do would be to trade the UFAs and guys over 30 (obviously JT and Troch are sticking around) and reform the team that way. We've already traded enough youth in Kakko and Chytil , for reasons I mostly agree with, but thats the reality.

Panarin, Mika and Kreider really need to go. Lindgren is in that group as well.
 
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JohnC said:
👏 Stop 👏 trading 👏 u-25 👏 players 👏because 👏 they’re 👏 not 👏 perfect
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This isn't to move for another veteran, but they should be trying to get a legit 3C with upside around the same age as Laf.

Schneider is just that piece that can do that with. You have to give to get. Maybe you can get it in a Panarin deal, but who else is getting you a future top 6 C that is 22-23 in a Panarin trade? They're probably using that player. In the offseason, his value is even less.

Mika or Kreider is not getting you that. Lindgren is not getting you anything close to that. Unless it's a prospect swap, which rarely happens, where is their next C coming from? Free agency?
 
5 games until deadline. In the recent past Drury has been active the week before. I believe this is the year to attempt to move Panarin to a contender if the right return is there. He is 33 and the Rangers need to reset this core.
 
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SA16 said:
It is a pretty hard argument to say they screwed up their last "rebuild" when it led to them making the conference finals two times in three years. Even a successful rebuild does not lead to like 20 years of sustained success.



Washington has a rookie GM and a second year head coach. How can you say they are both among the best?
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They expedited the rebuild when they weren't ready to be a top contender. This core group has topped out, Eastern Conference Final.

If they hadn't bleeped up the younger players they drafted and/or misevaluated them, they wouldn't be in the spot they're in now, scrambling to get into a Wild Card spot (today's win not withstanding)
 
SnowblindNYR said:
I feel like his style fits neither of those teams. Then again a worse and probably softer Gaborik contributed on that 2014 Kings team.
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My take is that LAK need an elite powerplay weapon if they want to ever beat EDM. Kings defensive strength could hopefully mask Panarin's lackadaisical play when he doesnt have the puck. Also I think he would potentially waive to go there.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
I feel like his style fits neither of those teams. Then again a worse and probably softer Gaborik contributed on that 2014 Kings team.
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I feel like the Kings could use someone of his style though.

You can't have 12 of the same forward (realistically speaking.) Some variety in the mix is going to be necessary no matter what your identity is.

I don't think he's the right player even with in his "style", but someone will want to take a shot at him if the Rangers can get the ok to move him. He'd probably fit better in Florida where he can be the 4th guy where as he'd probably still be looked at as "the" guy in LA (or at the very least, a close #2.)

He can't be the guy, we know this.
 
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BTW, as great of player as Toews was, I know the Hawks won three cups with him as their top center I feel like he could have been replaced by a number of players and they would have had the same result. I also think Keith (I believe a second round player) was more important to that team. Toews wasn't this Crosby level player that you need a top pick for.
 
Trading Panarin is an obvious move but it’s not going to happen. Every trade in this league is telegraphed and the smoke builds for weeks/months before it happens. I have heard not one peep about Panarin being moved.
 
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