This is Girardi, nothing earth shattering not -21 unless he was on the ice +25 shorthanded.
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This is Girardi, nothing earth shattering not -21 unless he was on the ice +25 shorthanded.
Machinehead
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He probably was. +5 a year is pedestrian for a guy that PK's that much. This is why traditional +/- is a joke. The guy's inhaling minutes where he can't take a minus.
This is the way.
For half the season the so-called "eye test" crowd was spamming the board with "Fox hasn't scored a goal since April or whatever it was." Statistics. Now the same people are questioning whether mph really gets at the fine details of skating speeds. Ok Socrates.
I'm sure they know what they're talking about.
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No one asked for your ice cold plunge in reality. We're on a hockey forum, pasture of the fantasical!
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McRanger92
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Both were + players for their career. What's with the arbitrary 08-12 timeframe?
I always felt like it was shitty to dunk on Girardi and Staal, who were great Rangers and helped this team get the dark ages stink off us. Staal was probably destined for greatness until the concussions and eye injury.
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Well, every scout said Laf was the best player in his draft, and Kakko was the 2nd best player in his draft. You may have something there, teams should start looking in basements for there front office talent.If only sports were that easy. We would not need scouts or coaches. We could just hire some teenagers living in their moms basements with a computer.
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That's crazy bc Brock Faber plays for the Wild not the Rangers, and they really spelled his name wrong
Jokes aside id move mountains to get weegar from calgary
Trolling? It's been the narrative here for a while, I'm just joining in.
#inclusion
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Not every scout said that. Detroits didn't. Did the guys in the basement that don't use their eyes say not to draft Laf number 1?
Machinehead
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If I went past that, it would have been "but he was old then!"
I'm not here to argue about Girardi and Staal. Just extremely odd to say "why didn't bring that up with Girardi and Staal!!" when neither were particularly plus players and Fox absolutely blows them away in GF%.
And that's not a knock on them. They're just not on that level. It's comparing Stepan to Malkin.
Just an odd thing to bring up, and wrong.
Machinehead
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KirkAlbuquerque
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It turns out the Rangers board is not the only crazy board on HF. The main boards asked if Bettman should pull an Adam Silver and trade Brady Tkachuk to a major market. Presumably this tournament turned Brady f***ing Tkachuk into Luka Doncic.
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He was also PPG if not more in the 2022 playoff run. And I think even though he had a bad moment in game 7 against the Devils, he had like 6 points in that 7 game series. His only "bad" playoff was last year when it was well known that he was playing injured.
Can people shut the f*** up about Slavin already? His team had a 9.6% higher expected goal % when he was OFF the ice. That's tied for 151st in the league. Fox is 13% higher when he's ON the ice. That's good for 6th in the league. Mind you this is his "bad season". Somehow on a team that's probably the best in the league in the metric Slavin has an xG% that's below 50% and is 7.3% below Adam Fox in arguable his worst season in the NHL since his rookie year, playing with one of the worst defensemen in the league. Fox does get a lot more offensive zone starts but so does Makar, maybe Slavin would get more offensive starts if he was a better offensive player.
Quick analysis, I tried to control for OZone starts by using regression and using OZone starts as the independent (x variable) and the relative expected goals % as the dependent variable (y variable). I know this doesn't take into account quality of competition. But then again, I'm sure Slavin's D partner is better than Lindgren. Plus, Fox is a top pairing guy so he gets his share of tough competition.
As you can see Slavin underperforms his forecast and Fox overperforms his.
As you can see Slavin underperforms his forecast and Fox overperforms his.
The Fox is the same player crowd because the charts say so sound more delusional than the Trump MAGA people. It's hard to have a discussion with them. He is not the same player. They scour every source looking for some chart or number which shows Fox's game hasn't declined.
Maybe the Aho knee to knee hit from two years ago is still bothering him.
Fox made the stupid statement about the championship game in the 4 Nations in his career and he was dreadful in that game. The Rangers have played some big games in the last 3-4 years. Those games don't count. No wonder why the Rangers never win.
The word is out on Fox. Everyone knows Fox is struggling big time.
www.nytimes.com
Lies. Lies. Those aren't American troops in Baghdad. Those are friendly troops.
Fox's dumb pass led to the game tying goal by Bennett. He puts Miller in a bad spot on the ice. JT didn't want to get his clock cleaned. Marner fakes out Fox out of position and Bennett scores.
The U.S. is in control of the game 2-1. Fox makes a series of dumb plays. 2-2.
Even on the McDavid goal, Fox is not off the hook. All of these people quickly jumped to Fox's defense. Blame Matthews.
Fox skates behind the net going after Marner. Mistake. Fox should be net front presence.
All of these people have a vendetta because they are pointing out the truth about Fox.
Maybe the Aho knee to knee hit from two years ago is still bothering him.
Fox made the stupid statement about the championship game in the 4 Nations in his career and he was dreadful in that game. The Rangers have played some big games in the last 3-4 years. Those games don't count. No wonder why the Rangers never win.
The word is out on Fox. Everyone knows Fox is struggling big time.
Olympic hockey stock watch: Risers, fallers, lines that work and other learnings from 4 Nations
Here are five things we learned about each of the teams involved in 4 Nations that can be applied to their Olympic rosters.
www.nytimes.com
Lies. Lies. Those aren't American troops in Baghdad. Those are friendly troops.
Fox's dumb pass led to the game tying goal by Bennett. He puts Miller in a bad spot on the ice. JT didn't want to get his clock cleaned. Marner fakes out Fox out of position and Bennett scores.
The U.S. is in control of the game 2-1. Fox makes a series of dumb plays. 2-2.
Even on the McDavid goal, Fox is not off the hook. All of these people quickly jumped to Fox's defense. Blame Matthews.
Fox skates behind the net going after Marner. Mistake. Fox should be net front presence.
All of these people have a vendetta because they are pointing out the truth about Fox.
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The Fox is the same player crowd because the charts say so sound more delusional than the Trump MAGA people. It's hard to have a discussion with them. He is not the same player. They scour every source looking for some chart or number which shows Fox's game hasn't declined.
Maybe the Aho knee to knee hit from two years ago is still bothering him.
Fox made the stupid statement about the championship game in the 4 Nations in his career and he was dreadful in that game. The Rangers have played some big games in the last 3-4 years. Those games don't count. No wonder why the Rangers never win.
The word is out on Fox. Everyone knows Fox is struggling big time.
Olympic hockey stock watch: Risers, fallers, lines that work and other learnings from 4 Nations
Here are five things we learned about each of the teams involved in 4 Nations that can be applied to their Olympic rosters.
Lies. Lies. Those aren't American troops in Baghdad. Those are friendly troops.
Fox's dumb pass led to the game tying goal by Bennett. He puts Miller in a bad spot on the ice. JT didn't want to get his clock cleaned. Marner fakes out Fox out of position and Bennett scores.
The U.S. is in control of the game 2-1. Fox makes a series of dumb plays. 2-2.
Even on the McDavid goal, Fox is not off the hook. All of these people quickly jumped to Fox's defense. Blame Matthews.
Fox skates behind the net going after Marner. Mistake. Fox should be net front presence.
All of these people have a vendetta because they are pointing out the truth about Fox.
Its like you didn’t even watch the videos lmao.
haohmaru
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haohmaru
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The Fox is the same player crowd because the charts say so sound more delusional than the Trump MAGA people. It's hard to have a discussion with them. He is not the same player. They scour every source looking for some chart or number which shows Fox's game hasn't declined.
Maybe the Aho knee to knee hit from two years ago is still bothering him.
Fox made the stupid statement about the championship game in the 4 Nations in his career and he was dreadful in that game. The Rangers have played some big games in the last 3-4 years. Those games don't count. No wonder why the Rangers never win.
The word is out on Fox. Everyone knows Fox is struggling big time.
Olympic hockey stock watch: Risers, fallers, lines that work and other learnings from 4 Nations
Here are five things we learned about each of the teams involved in 4 Nations that can be applied to their Olympic rosters.
Lies. Lies. Those aren't American troops in Baghdad. Those are friendly troops.
Fox's dumb pass led to the game tying goal by Bennett. He puts Miller in a bad spot on the ice. JT didn't want to get his clock cleaned. Marner fakes out Fox out of position and Bennett scores.
The U.S. is in control of the game 2-1. Fox makes a series of dumb plays. 2-2.
Even on the McDavid goal, Fox is not off the hook. All of these people quickly jumped to Fox's defense. Blame Matthews.
Fox skates behind the net going after Marner. Mistake. Fox should be net front presence.
All of these people have a vendetta because they are pointing out the truth about Fox.
Holey moley.
Eichel was shadowing McDavid the entire game. Icing. Line change. Can't get Eichel out there. Cooper puts McDavid out there. Who's taking Eichel's spot? Fox? No. Matthews.
Also, it's hockey with the 20 best players on the planet. Binnington bailed out his team on triple A grade A super duper chances 3 or 4 times before Canada won the game. Hellebuyck didn't. Goal isn't on him, however, as a great one once said:
"It's not about the saves you make. It's about the ones that you don't"
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The Fox is the same player crowd because the charts say so sound more delusional than the Trump MAGA people. It's hard to have a discussion with them. He is not the same player. They scour every source looking for some chart or number which shows Fox's game hasn't declined.
Maybe the Aho knee to knee hit from two years ago is still bothering him.
Fox made the stupid statement about the championship game in the 4 Nations in his career and he was dreadful in that game. The Rangers have played some big games in the last 3-4 years. Those games don't count. No wonder why the Rangers never win.
The word is out on Fox. Everyone knows Fox is struggling big time.
Olympic hockey stock watch: Risers, fallers, lines that work and other learnings from 4 Nations
Here are five things we learned about each of the teams involved in 4 Nations that can be applied to their Olympic rosters.
Lies. Lies. Those aren't American troops in Baghdad. Those are friendly troops.
Fox's dumb pass led to the game tying goal by Bennett. He puts Miller in a bad spot on the ice. JT didn't want to get his clock cleaned. Marner fakes out Fox out of position and Bennett scores.
The U.S. is in control of the game 2-1. Fox makes a series of dumb plays. 2-2.
Even on the McDavid goal, Fox is not off the hook. All of these people quickly jumped to Fox's defense. Blame Matthews.
Fox skates behind the net going after Marner. Mistake. Fox should be net front presence.
All of these people have a vendetta because they are pointing out the truth about Fox.
Yes, it's the people who have any evidence to support their views aside for mob-think and twitter not opinions that sound like the MAGA crowd.
haohmaru
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Let's leave politics where they belong and that's certainly NOT here.
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