Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XVI
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Ghost of jas
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Your last sentence is the difference between previous ‘retools’ and right now. Again even in my most optimistic moments the only player (aside from Cherepanov) that had high end talent from what I could tell was Kreider. Even McDonagh whom I loved as a prospect didn’t appear to be a top end player and ended up exceeding my expectations. Well, now you have Kreider and Zibanejad reaching their full potential and three players in Chytil, Kravtsov and Miller with the ability to become high end players. And, there’s a good chance they’re going to add another one, if not two in the upcoming draft.
Ghost of jas
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Trade both of them.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
what exactly is wrong with this ?
mika
hayes
howden
andersson/strome
if you add kravtsov and panarin plus buchnevich and chytl stay ?
and you subtract zucc and lets say smith and shatty with some retention? god forbid staal plays good enough to have someone take a flier with 50% retained
that middle is good enough to win.
this narrative that hayes isnt good enough is trash. im not saying dont move him but to say hes not good enough is disingenuous at best.
the return better be good though
mika
hayes
howden
andersson/strome
if you add kravtsov and panarin plus buchnevich and chytl stay ?
and you subtract zucc and lets say smith and shatty with some retention? god forbid staal plays good enough to have someone take a flier with 50% retained
that middle is good enough to win.
this narrative that hayes isnt good enough is trash. im not saying dont move him but to say hes not good enough is disingenuous at best.
the return better be good though
I think thats probably because you see him coach with some emotion and get fired up, holding players accountable and thereafter seeing results, that has been calming for you (and me).
Ghost of jas
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Nothing if your goal is to finish the next run without winning a Cup.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
I could see Philly as a team that tries for a big shake up. Too bad were enemies because they could use some of what we'd be selling and they have some really promising young talent in the system.
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Skjei's rookie year is looking more and more like an outlier. I'd deal him in the right circumstances. The strength of the prospect pool on the left side of the defense would make losing him sting less.
Here's an idea that can be interesting:
Skjei to EDM for Adam Larsson. Classic change of scenery trade for both players. Larsson is much steadier in his own end locked in until 2021 with a cheaper contract.
Here's an idea that can be interesting:
Skjei to EDM for Adam Larsson. Classic change of scenery trade for both players. Larsson is much steadier in his own end locked in until 2021 with a cheaper contract.
Off Sides
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Nothing is wrong with that,
Yet I think if Leafs, Sabres, Jets (maybe some other teams I know even less about) fans put their team's version of it up next to the Rangers version, given their current and future prospects/players there would be a noticeable difference in the quality of the rosters both now and going forward.
If those are the up and coming teams, the ones the Rangers will be facing when they are back in the playoffs, it just seems like a familiar up hill battle to me.
Ghost of jas
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Which of the following 2C’s in the Eastern conference is Hayes better than?
Malkin
Backstrom
Taveras
Point
Krecji
If you answered ‘none’ there’s your answer as to why you trade Hayes.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
brady skjei on a 2nd pair where he belongs btw, is fine.
lets discuss what he brings back in value the other way. lateral trades make no sense. esp with 76 who's on a decent deal the will look like a bargain down the road when he finds his game. 5.25/6 is solid value for a 2nd pair guy.
unless its a no brainer, dont see where he brings back enough. larsson for skjei i would certainly look at that.
i continue to lean towards keeping hayes, dumping zuc and moving shattenkirk and smith for cap relief.
lets discuss what he brings back in value the other way. lateral trades make no sense. esp with 76 who's on a decent deal the will look like a bargain down the road when he finds his game. 5.25/6 is solid value for a 2nd pair guy.
unless its a no brainer, dont see where he brings back enough. larsson for skjei i would certainly look at that.
i continue to lean towards keeping hayes, dumping zuc and moving shattenkirk and smith for cap relief.
This is horrendous, no offense.
Larsson is bad.
If Skjei is being moved, I want a forward.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
No chance I would trade Skjei for Larsson. That'd be a downgrade without saving much cap space.
Mac n Gs
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It's only an idea. I think Larsson would fit in this group of defensemen.
Why would you want a forward in a hypothetical return for Skjei? This team badly needs a high end defenseman more than a forward, despite the noted defensive depth in the prospect pool.
Ghost of jas
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Skjei, on his current ontract isn’t the issue at the present time. The problem becomes when you potentially have two younger players who make less than half what he makes who could pass him on the depth chart. Is that a given? No, but those are the mistakes you cannot afford to make if you intend to contend for the Cup. By all means pay your best players. You don’t overpay the non-special/replaceable ones.
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Hayes would be a great fit there. I’ll take Farabee for him
Let's just take Farabee and Jay O'brien and correct that whole thing lol
Lots of good D there and Morgan Frost is a hell of a player too.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Just get the best return possible. We have holes at forward and defense. Adam Larsson is far from that.
Larsson is far from a high end defenseman. He's pretty bad.
I think wing is easily the weakest of the positions on the team, both at the NHL level and in the system. Also a great group of forwards can make up for a sub par group of D (look at the last 3 cup winners.)
I don't think you can make it work the other way.
DutchShamrock
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I think because our cap isnt currently a problem, people forget about managing salaries throughout the roster.
For argument sake, let's assume this version on Kevin Hayes is the real deal and he plays 4 years to this level. That's still, what, 50 points? Good two way play. Nice size, but not a punishing player. What's the price for this? 6 x $6m? More? A NMC for sure.
On a cup team he's your 3rd line center. That's a pricey 3rd. I roll the dice with Howden there. I mean, you have to gamble on the future in a cap world. This is a low risk gamble ultimately. I rather do this and find a better 1st/2nd line center than gamble that Hayes elevates or maintains his play.
Ghost of jas
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Larsson doesn’t move the needle for me. I’m not sure what I’d be looking for if Skjei was to be moved.
Machinehead
Fox Mafia Consigliere
Halfway decent xGF% and proper player usage does wonders for me.
At the end of the day, I do this to be entertained. While there's plenty warts, I haven't felt all season that it's been a chore to watch this team. I want to see the games again.
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