Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[GAGLine]

Staple suggested the Rangers trade Othmann and Kreider for Frederic and Brazaeu a few days ago. A few months ago, Staple suggested Othmann and a first round pick for Mario Ferraro. Brazeau is 27 and was a minor leaguer until this season. Take it easy. Or the Rangers would need to add to a Kreider for Frederic deal.

Staple is an idiot. Is he seriously suggesting that we'd have to pay to dump Kreider?

 

[Vitto79]

Definitely should call up Othmaan
He’s deserving

Plus Berard but I doubt they do 2 kids at a time

See what Lindgren at 50 can get
Vesey for a pick and flip for a LD

 

[leetch99]

I recall that when the Rangers acquired Mikkola that he was a 'bad' defenseman. Also, people used to shit on Kulikov if I'm not mistaken.

Our front office did not have anybody studying the X-YZ /2 charts and graphs and overnight sleeping patterns of our D back then .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No one is saying this

Laviolette is saying this.

They have no bearing on the decision but a half dozen guys just killed a bunch of brain cells defending Lindgren a few pages ago.

They're dwindling, but he has his staunch defenders.

 

[TGWL]

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The perfect 3c moved to wing on his own team.

gotta play Lindgren though

That forward thought the puck was going to the right side point player. Needless to say it was that very moment he knew he f'd up.

 

[McRanger92]

Staple suggested the Rangers trade Othmann and Kreider for Frederic and Brazaeu a few days ago. A few months ago, Staple suggested Othmann and a first round pick for Mario Ferraro. Brazeau is 27 and was a minor leaguer until this season. Take it easy. Or the Rangers would need to add to a Kreider for Frederic deal.

that's a bad trade for the rangers unless they are getting an unprotected first in 25 or 26 back from Boston. Brazeau is a good player though. Dont care that he's a late bloomer, he is always causing havoc in the crease and can really skate for a big guy. would be a great young replacement for kreider on the 3rd line. Another Cuylle type.

 

[NYR Viper]

Definitely should call up Othmaan
He’s deserving

Plus Berard but I doubt they do 2 kids at a time

See what Lindgren at 50 can get
Vesey for a pick and flip for a LD

It should be both and just split them up.

Othmann is going to be the type of kid that you need to let marinate a bit. He's going to have flashes where he shows a lot and other times when he is going to lose his man and cause a chance against. He's not 'polished'. In saying hat, the energy and ability to get pucks to the net is going to be a positive long term. He's also a nasty POS.

 

[Guyute]

Staple should stop creating trade proposals

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers would arguably be giving up the two most valuable players in that Boston deal lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staple should stop creating trade proposals

He always shows his Islander ass when he does.

 

[McRanger92]

Staple is awful with his trade proposals but 2 things caught my eye from that article in particular.
1. Seemingly Kreider doesn't have Boston on his NTC, which we all kind of assumed, but thats his most likely destination if he leaves the Rangers. the issue is Boston has no cap space to take him on unless they move a contract (Marchand?) or LTIR someone.

2. Perreault is expected to sign after BC's season is over. I guess our place in the standings will define if he debuts this season or next. Still encouraging that he'll be in the fold going forward.

 

[MrAlmost]

I really hope we trade Smith and vesey over this break and call up Berard and Othmann. Then work on Lindgren.

Kreider to Boston might make sense, and for frederic. But we would not be adding to get the lesser players. That's silly. Wonder what his ask would be. Frederic and Brazeau for Kreider? Seems light. Brazeau is interesting, but would he be 4th line with Carrick and Ed next year? That would be a good line. But he is about to cash in on what might be an aberration of a season.

I'd do Frederic and a first for kreider, but would rather just trade him for picks.

Panarin-Miller-Laf
Cuylle-Z-Kaliyev
Othmann-Tro-Berard
Brod(Ed next year)-Carrick-Rempe

Old centers, but young wingers to go out there and do the hard work. That could be a fun team and with Perreault in next year, maybe Panarin is out? But likely just plug in Perreault for Kaliyev and be better still.

Come on Drury. Trade Smith and Vesey. Get this shit going.

 

[McRanger92]

I really hope we trade Smith and vesey over this break and call up Berard and Othmann. Then work on Lindgren.

Kreider to Boston might make sense, and for frederic. But we would not be adding to get the lesser players. That's silly. Wonder what his ask would be. Frederic and Brazeau for Kreider? Seems light. Brazeau is interesting, but would he be 4th line with Carrick and Ed next year? That would be a good line. But he is about to cash in on what might be an aberration of a season.

I'd do Frederic and a first for kreider, but would rather just trade him for picks.

Panarin-Miller-Laf
Cuylle-Z-Kaliyev
Othmann-Tro-Berard
Brod(Ed next year)-Carrick-Rempe

Old centers, but young wingers to go out there and do the hard work. That could be a fun team and with Perreault in next year, maybe Panarin is out? But likely just plug in Perreault for Kaliyev and be better still.

Come on Drury. Trade Smith and Vesey. Get this shit going.

Rather Brazeau than Frederic, even if he isnt a C. He'd be easier to extend based on Frederic's reputation alone. Faster and bigger. I worry about Frederic's skating and how players like him are consistently overpaid on the open market. His career high in points is the same as Kakko. I didnt want to pay Kakko either so saying I like Frederic just because he participates in more staged fights would be a bit disingenuous.

Brazeau is the crash the net bowling ball type. he's huge and difficult to move. he scores at the crease and can play netfront on PP2. Undervalued player we will be celebrating Drury for if he inquires and extends him at a fair price.

Berard-Edstrom-Brazeau 3rd line next year.

 

[bl02]

I want Perreault no where near this team this year with basically two corpses getting pp time over him.
Bring him in next year or after Panarin is gone preferably.

 

[Raspewtin]

Frederic's one of those guys where the idea of him is better than he actually is

 

[Larrybiv]

It should be both and just split them up.

Othmann is going to be the type of kid that you need to let marinate a bit. He's going to have flashes where he shows a lot and other times when he is going to lose his man and cause a chance against. He's not 'polished'. In saying hat, the energy and ability to get pucks to the net is going to be a positive long term. He's also a nasty POS.

Does POS stand for anything different, than what I know? You meant SOB, right?

 

[Larrybiv]

I want Perreault no where near this team this year with basically two corpses getting pp time over him.
Bring him in next year or after Panarin is gone preferably.

Wow! Is the majority here wanting Panarin gone? I mean, getting him, screwed up the full rebuild, now he has to finish what he started. That said, adding the likes of Berard, Othmann and Perreault seems a bit much all at one time next year, correct? Two, maybe. Not 3. Think Berard might be heading out in a per TDL.

 

[kovazub94]

It should be both and just split them up.

Othmann is going to be the type of kid that you need to let marinate a bit. He's going to have flashes where he shows a lot and other times when he is going to lose his man and cause a chance against. He's not 'polished'. In saying hat, the energy and ability to get pucks to the net is going to be a positive long term. He's also a nasty POS.

There was a reason why Vesey was placed on the top line.... that had little to do with Vesey himself and more with Laviolette wanting Smith out of top-6. What I'm driving at is that you're right that we should have spots for both Othmann and Berard on different lines.

 

[NYR Viper]

Does POS stand for anything different, than what I know? You meant SOB, right?

I am using the term POS affectionately He's a pain in the ass and players hate playing against him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Frederic is the guy a team overpays for in UFA after they miss out on overpaying for Bennett.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Staple suggested the Rangers trade Othmann and Kreider for Frederic and Brazaeu a few days ago. A few months ago, Staple suggested Othmann and a first round pick for Mario Ferraro. Brazeau is 27 and was a minor leaguer until this season. Take it easy. Or the Rangers would need to add to a Kreider for Frederic deal.

staple is a remoron

I want Perreault no where near this team this year with basically two corpses getting pp time over him.
Bring him in next year or after Panarin is gone preferably.

1 year of panarin is fine, but why are so many people saying Gabe is definitely not going to AHL? I think we all agree Kakko and Laf could have used a season in Hartford. What’s the rush? Is there any downside to Gabe dominating AHL, getting bigger and stronger, etc? Rangers cannot afford to botch another high end forward prospect

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

staple is a remoron


1 year of panarin is fine, but why are so many people saying Gabe is definitely not going to AHL? I think we all agree Kakko and Laf could have used a season in Hartford. What’s the rush? Is there any downside to Gabe dominating AHL, getting bigger and stronger, etc? Rangers cannot afford to botch another high end forward prospect

He’s going to be 2 years older than Laf and Kakko were. I don’t think the AHL is a boogeyman league anymore but if there’s a spot for him he’s going to get it, especially if the staff stays as such and he’s probably going to be the one guy who actually gets used a bunch and becomes a favorite because his u18 coach is on the staff.

I feel like the AHL excuse doesn’t really apply to the other 2. Rangers f***ed up by catering to Panarin and his favorites over those guys, not by starting them in the NHL. You could make the case for Kakko because he gassed out hard bascially 20 games in but not for Laf.

 

[kovazub94]

Wow! Is the majority here wanting Panarin gone? I mean, getting him, screwed up the full rebuild, now he has to finish what he started. That said, adding the likes of Berard, Othmann and Perreault seems a bit much all at one time next year, correct? Two, maybe. Not 3. Think Berard might be heading out in a per TDL.

I'm tired of arguing why Panarin should stay (over Kreider and Zibanejad). Even after his ppg performance last year the goal-posts have shifted to "well ppg in playoffs doesn't matter - what matters is that it's xx% reduction from his 120 points regular season". There's whole a lot of other non-sense about Panarin - seems like he's running the team, not Drury with Laviolette.

Putting aside the argument of who from the old guard should stay or go, my question re. Panarin starts with what would his extension looks like and what else Drury would be able to get at forward for this money as Panarin's replacement. Would he sign for 3/4 years at $9m? For comparison looks like $9m would get you someone like Buchnevich or less (because his extension was signed before updated guidance on where the cap was moving). I'm personally not attached to any player if his replacement would make the TEAM better

 

[lakeshirts37]

He’s going to be 2 years older than Laf and Kakko were. I don’t think the AHL is a boogeyman league anymore but if there’s a spot for him he’s going to get it, especially if the staff stays as such and he’s probably going to be the one guy who actually gets used a bunch and becomes a favorite because his u18 coach is on the staff.

I feel like the AHL excuse doesn’t really apply to the other 2. Rangers f***ed up by catering to Panarin and his favorites over those guys, not by starting them in the NHL. You could make the case for Kakko because he gassed out hard bascially 20 games in but not for Laf.

Fair point on the age difference. I forgot about that. If he's ready definitely should be in the NHL and given legit minutes. I just have horrible PTSD from Laf and Kakko.

Wow! Is the majority here wanting Panarin gone? I mean, getting him, screwed up the full rebuild, now he has to finish what he started. That said, adding the likes of Berard, Othmann and Perreault seems a bit much all at one time next year, correct? Two, maybe. Not 3. Think Berard might be heading out in a per TDL.

It's time to inject some youth. I don't think it would be too much assuming Berard and Othmann start off a little sheltered on the third line. If Perreault is ready then he should be 2RW and used as such.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

step 1:
Fire Laviolette

step 2: trade or waive Lindgren

step 3:
Trade Kreider and/or Zibanejad


step 4: replace with Yutes: Berard, Othmann, maybe even Pearrault. And let them play out the stretch


Step 5: offseason, find a legit top pair LHD