Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[McRanger92]

Lindgren will likely have a Stanley Cup ring ahead of Fox .......HAHAHA......who would have thought that ? It would be hilarious .

Who gives a shit if it's not with the Rangers?

 

[Machinehead]

I don't care who gets a ring. I gave up on the idea of this sport having any justice when the Caps won the Cup in 2018 playing like shit the entire playoffs.

 

[leetch99]

It's not Lindgren's fault he is saddled with Fox.....any other team would have him on the third pairing where he does not have to do the heavy lifting for his slight of frame , slow wheeled offensive minded partner . I'm not sure why Dummy coach continues with it....but blaming Lindgren for playing that far up the roster is kind of ridiculous .

He would be more efficient if he had less minutes in a 3rd pairing situation . The time has come to move Schneider up to play with Fox or move Miller up and Schneider to takes that bump and play with Borgen........and if that does not work....move Miller or Schneider....Go Lavi.....

I don't care who gets a ring. I gave up on the idea of this sport having any justice when the Caps won the Cup in 2018 playing like shit the entire playoffs.

I have to agree....it's all out of our hands . Somedays I don't think the Rings matter to most of them anyways.....the money they make . They think of themselves only for the most part .

 

[Profet]

Way to basically guarantee he will win it. So many times I've seen experts on this board claim you can't win with some dude and 2 years later there he is lifting the cup.

How denre you.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Jack Johnson
Erik Johnson

dont remember erik johnson being that bad

 

[NYR Viper]

dont remember erik johnson being that bad

His last year in Colorado was pretty bad.

 

[jay from jersey]

Lindgren I agree. Yeah, remember all those times last year when opposing players went around Trouba like he was standing still? A lot of those times Miller wasn’t even in the TV picture. Where was he. Miller lost the Colorado game in the last 14 seconds with a poor decision. I counted 3 goals in the 6-3 Boston game where his decisions caused odd man rushes the other way. He plays D by letting his man get by him to the outside, then he latches on with his left arm and tries to poke check the puck with his right. Sometimes he is successful and it’s a great play. Other times not so much, and it leads to another cross ice pass for a league leading cross ice pass goal against. He pinches when he should stay back. He’ll body his man while leaving his partner alone for a 2 on 1. My wife can tell you how many times this year I yelled at the TV saying “what are you doing” and it’s usually Lindgren or Key I’m yelling at. Incredible talent. Incredibly poor decision maker. Not our biggest problem, but we won’t win a cup with him. Other teams will take a chance on him. He’s our best trade chip. Do so before we have to pay 7 mil per.

This, Bingo bango.
His age/skillset/experience make him a valuable trade chip as you said.
I don’t think he signs for 5.5-6.5 mill like some think either.
Hes going to want a Laf type deal with cap going up.
IMO, NYR are better off moving him for a solid longer term asset, whatever cap savings banked can also be allocated to FA/Partner for Fox/trade/etc.
Truth is, Schneider and KAM are similar in their styles and output. Neither guy is too offensive, neither is a rock defensively either.
Both aren’t overly physical either.
I give the edge to Schneider in that Dept: kam is the better skater and overall athlete however.
I’m not saying having Kam or resigning him long term with cripple NYR. Not saying that the deal will be an albatross or KAM can’t keep developing either.
It can certainly be possible that like Kreider, kam takes that next step when he’s older and gets better with age on his big boy(career deal) so far.
There are some similarities there even though 1 is a FWD and 1 is a D imo.
But Schneider and miller kind of play a redundant game to eachother.
If Schneider was due for large $$ and years and KAM was the younger guy with more control, I’d be advocating trading Schneider instead.
That’s just the current make up.
We are still going to Draft D and NHL 3rd pairs will likely still be a mix of cheap youth from in the system and cheap hopefully quality vets.
The top 4 guys are the horses and get paid.
That’s just the reality of that situation.
Kam is also a LD. Historically, RD is harder to fill.
Fox being here Is the only sure thing…. Borgren has played well and when cap takes a massive jump in next 2-3 seasons, the contract he signed is likely what 2nd/3rd pair solid vet tweeters will be making at the time.
Schneider has some cost control left yet to come….
Foxs partner whether UfA or trade will likely cost major dollars and term…..
I also think NYR wants to add BT, or at least someone of his age and style. IMO, kam being a significant part of a trade package to acquire that type of talent is a must.
Just my view

 

[jay from jersey]

It's not Lindgren's fault he is saddled with Fox.....any other team would have him on the third pairing where he does not have to do the heavy lifting for his slight of frame , slow wheeled offensive minded partner . I'm not sure why Dummy coach continues with it....but blaming Lindgren for playing that far up the roster is kind of ridiculous .

He would be more efficient if he had less minutes in a 3rd pairing situation . The time has come to move Schneider up to play with Fox or move Miller up and Schneider to takes that bump and play with Borgen........and if that does not work....move Miller or Schneider....Go Lavi.....


I have to agree....it's all out of our hands . Somedays I don't think the Rings matter to most of them anyways.....the money they make . They think of themselves only for the most part .

This. Lindgren is still and effective player. He’ll be a good add to a quality team. That’s why he’ll have trade interest.
He plays tough, heart on his sleeve and leaves it all out on the ice. Tbh, he’s the exact type of vet good young teams what to add to their vet core.
The main issue is injuries on his frame and style of play take their toll…. He’s a 2nd-3rd pair tweener. Not a top 2 D. He’s exposed because he’s in a situation he can’t handle any longer.
Ideally he’s a 3rd Pair/PK D that can fill in as a 3-4 for injuries for a 20-30 game clip if need be. That’s what good teams look for. Cause a 20-30 game injury can derail a season/playoffs.
The coaches just keep putting him in situations he can’t do on our team. Not any longer at least.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's not Lindgren's fault he is saddled with Fox.....any other team would have him on the third pairing where he does not have to do the heavy lifting for his slight of frame , slow wheeled offensive minded partner . I'm not sure why Dummy coach continues with it....but blaming Lindgren for playing that far up the roster is kind of ridiculous .

He would be more efficient if he had less minutes in a 3rd pairing situation . The time has come to move Schneider up to play with Fox or move Miller up and Schneider to takes that bump and play with Borgen........and if that does not work....move Miller or Schneider....Go Lavi.....


I have to agree....it's all out of our hands . Somedays I don't think the Rings matter to most of them anyways.....the money they make . They think of themselves only for the most part .

Imagine trying to pin Lindgren’s issues on Fox.

Lindgren sucks because Lindgren sucks. He sucks even more away from Fox. Fox away from Lindgren bascially turns into prime Lidstrom. It’s not hard to figure out who the weak link is in that pairing. He doesn’t do any of the heavy lifting, that’s Fox.



You’re right that Lindgren’s usage is a big problem and the coach deserves heat for that. Playing a bad player less doesn’t exactly solve the issue though. It’s a better alternative for sure but playing a really shitty player in lesser minutes still means that you’re playing a really shitty player. There is a limit to how bad someone can be if you want to win because at a certain point you can't really hide them. Thats Ryan Lindgren.

Someone brought up Johnson and Johnson when Colorado won as players who were Lindgren level bad. Neither guy was even close.

COL's 2022 playoff defense:

Mind you, these aren't exactly great (Byram crushing his minutes goes undermentioned because the media was too busy glazing Makar. If Girard doesn't get hurt Colorado may have very well handed a 3 peat to Tampa.) But notice how 3-4-5 here are all within range of one another?

Look at what Ryan Lindgren did in the playoffs last year:

This is a special type of bad. No one else on the defense was even within an ear shot of him. He's was the worst by A LOT. His D partner, on one leg, put up a xG rel of nearly 20% higher than he did. Thats.... f***ing insanity.

Before someone counters with "DURRR HE DEFENDED LATE LEADS AND THAT IMPACTED HIS NUMBERS" yeah so did 3 other guys. He wasn't out there by himself so at least 1 other defender on that list at his minutes alongside him and NO one on the defense performed even close to as poorly as he did.

And yes these are all 5v5 numbers.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Arthur Staple and Peter Baugh





Lindgren will restock the Rangers draft pick coffers. The Rangers might be better off packaging Lindgren and Reilly Smith together. Retain 50% on each player. That's the common trend in the last few seasons. The Rangers and Blues trade. Tarasenko and Mikkola. Ryan O'Reilly and Acciari. Orlov and Hathaway. McCabe and Lafferty. The last 3 trades needed a 3rd party broker. Minnesota was the 3rd team broker. Granlund and Ceci this year. There was no retention from SJ. They have no slots left. I read an article in the Athletic by Arpon Basu on Evans and Armia. Both players will be free agents this summer and they are really good on the PK together in Montreal. Arpon spoke to an NHL exec who agreed with his idea of packaging both players in a trade.

Dallas already traded away their 2025 first round pick to SJ. Colorado needs help on D. The Avs traded their 2025 first round pick to rent Sean Walker last year but they made the Flyers take back Ryan Johansson's $4M but they waived him and terminated his contract. Edmonton needs a right handed D. They also traded their 2025 first round pick to the Flyers for a 2024 first round pick 32nd overall. Florida needs help on D. They have no money and no first round pick in June. Traded in the Tkachuk trade. LA? They have cap space and a first round pick in June. The Wild have Kaprizov's long term IR money but he should be back before the season ends. Minnesota traded their first to Columbus. Caps? No. Vegas? No. Maybe they want Smith by himself. Toronto? They want a center. They have no 2025 1st. Winnipeg? They also want a center. They have a 2025 1st. TB? No. They have no 2025 1st.

2026 first round pick is the better option.

The Athletic writers are complete shills. Sometimes I really wonder why I pay for it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This. Lindgren is still and effective player. He’ll be a good add to a quality team. That’s why he’ll have trade interest.
He plays tough, heart on his sleeve and leaves it all out on the ice.

This is the kind of shit I can only laugh at.

None of this makes him good or even an effective player. These are all platitudes that are applied to players who are not good but people want to prop up for whatever reason.

 

[Mugless]

This is the kind of shit I can only laugh at.

None of this makes him good or even an effective player. These are all platitudes that are applied to players who are not good but people want to prop up for whatever reason.

Tanner Boyle played tough until he got stuffed in a garbage can.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Tanner Boyle played tough until he got stuffed in a garbage can.

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This is hilariously more accurate analysis than what I replied to hahaha.

 

[Boris Zubov]

The Athletic writers are complete shills. Sometimes I really wonder why I pay for it.

I only pay because it's a $1 a month. Any higher than that, no thanks.

 

[Machinehead]

I absolutely believe that Lindgren will generate trade interest because he's TUFF.

Good. Trade him then.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I absolutely believe that Lindgren will generate trade interest because he's TUFF.

Good. Trade him then.

Several GMs will 100% think that, and paired with the fact they will likely be playing him in the bottom 4 with sheltered minutes also makes him more attractive.

But I dont think he'll bring back a 1st rounder as the Athletic article suggests.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I absolutely believe that Lindgren will generate trade interest because he's TUFF.

Good. Trade him then.

The funny thing is he isn’t really even that TUFF.


I watched him hot potato a puck weakly around the boards instead of eating it with 6 seconds left around Boston which led to a decent scoring chance because he didn’t want to eat the hit he would have taken. That’s the opposite of TUFF.

 

[NYR Viper]

The funny thing is he isn’t really even that TUFF.


I watched him hot potato a puck weakly around the boards instead of eating it with 6 seconds left around Boston which led to a decent scoring chance because he didn’t want to eat the hit he would have taken. That’s the opposite of TUFF.

There are a lot of thing to attack Lindgren over, but I don't think arguing whether the guy is tough or not is the way to approach it. He is tough. He takes a lot of hits and blocks a lot of shots that 99.9% of the normal public would not.

 

[kovazub94]

The funny thing is he isn’t really even that TUFF.


I watched him hot potato a puck weakly around the boards instead of eating it with 6 seconds left around Boston which led to a decent scoring chance because he didn’t want to eat the hit he would have taken. That’s the opposite of TUFF.

He lacks strength now to win board battles or box out forwards out of the crease area. His only remaining toughness comes from throwing himself in front of a puck (if he's able to get himself into that spot which is not a guarantee).

Watching him in the offensive zone he's actually able to make the right reads there with the puck at good enough level that I'd be able to live with if he didn't have such large deficiencies on the defensive side.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't care who gets a ring. I gave up on the idea of this sport having any justice when the Caps won the Cup in 2018 playing like shit the entire playoffs.

Maybe this isn't for you bro.

It's not Lindgren's fault he is saddled with Fox.....any other team would have him on the third pairing where he does not have to do the heavy lifting for his slight of frame , slow wheeled offensive minded partner . I'm not sure why Dummy coach continues with it....but blaming Lindgren for playing that far up the roster is kind of ridiculous .

He would be more efficient if he had less minutes in a 3rd pairing situation . The time has come to move Schneider up to play with Fox or move Miller up and Schneider to takes that bump and play with Borgen........and if that does not work....move Miller or Schneider....Go Lavi.....


I have to agree....it's all out of our hands . Somedays I don't think the Rings matter to most of them anyways.....the money they make . They think of themselves only for the most part .

Are you legit saying Fox is the anchor and not Lindgren? What a take.

 

[Machinehead]

Maybe this isn't for you bro.

If it wasn't for HF, I don't think I would watch hockey religiously anymore. I certainly don't if it's not the Rangers.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

If it wasn't for HF, I don't think I would watch hockey religiously anymore. I certainly don't if it's not the Rangers.

Well HF is turning into Facebook now we have people saying that Fox is weighing Lindgren down.

 

[frozenrubber]

I absolutely believe that Lindgren will generate trade interest because he's TUFF.

Good. Trade him then.

I'm not even sure where Ryan Lindgren being 'tough' comes from?

All he does is bleed from his face and on the scoresheet. The toughest thing he does is wear shorts in the winter.

PS: If Ryan Lindgren is indeed 6'0 tall as listed by the Rangers, SnowblindNYR is 7'3

 

[Machinehead]

Well HF is turning into Facebook now we have people saying that Fox is weighing Lindgren down.

Any gathering of people is prone to idiocy.

There's nowhere else with the passion, in-depth discussion, and memeability on the internet about any topic that can stand up to the Rangers board. Where I talk about baseball and football? The Rangers board.

The last post in the Liberty Reddit (besides this one guy trying to huck his merchandise) was two days ago. It's the offseason. I've spent entire days on here in the summer. It never stops.

This place makes watching the Rangers hilarious even when they're bad.

Objectively, this sport is stupid and the Rangers are exhausting, but HFNYR is fun.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not even sure where Ryan Lindgren being 'tough' comes from?

All he does is bleed from his face and on the scoresheet. The toughest thing he does is wear shorts in the winter.

Yeah that's pretty much it. That's enough for GM's to believe.

I wear shorts in the winter. I have calves like Kratos.