Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[chris kontos]

Vesey for rocket
Brodz for jennings/lady byng

Have they waived kaliyev yet?

 

[effen]

Vesey for rocket
Brodz for jennings/lady byng

Have they waived kaliyev yet?

Why would they waive Kaliyev? He's gonna play when they trade Reilly Smith.

 

[noncents]

Presumably that a player with 9 points in 51 games, scoring at 1.16 pts/60, is not in line to move up in the lineup.

ah. i invite you to consider that the presumption that a *rookie* winger's point production, playing with offensive dynamos Rempe, Vesey, and Carrick, might not set the upper limit for what the player might be able to do in a different role.

Furthermore, consider the idea that not challenging young players to play roles is exactly why their young players never develop.

 

[SA16]

ah. i invite you to consider that the presumption that a *rookie* winger's point production, playing with offensive dynamos Rempe, Vesey, and Carrick, might not set the upper limit for what the player might be able to do in a different role.

Furthermore, consider the idea that not challenging young players to play roles is exactly why their young players never develop.

What makes you think that a player who has not been a strong offensive producer in any pro league in his life will suddenly be a strong offensive producer in the NHL? He's already shown he can play a forechecking defensive role. Is moving him up worth blocking Berard/Othmann/Perreault who need time in the top nine since it's more likely their future success requires being put in an offensive role? They're not going to go into the season next year with like 4 rookies in the lineup at forward and in key roles so I would not agree that they can just have them all in the lineup to start.

 

[bernmeister]

Brodz is youth? Guy is 31

fair pt
howev, he plays w/mid-later 20s energy, and I don't see him slowing down over the next 1-2 yrs we need him as a stopgap while we wait for Roo + others
unlike Vesey, etc he is
effective
cheap
not someone forcing our hand cap wise so when youth is ready, there is conflict

 

[TGWL]

Why would someone give up a 1st for a goalie prospect that hasn't played in the NHL and was like 4th round pick or whatever he was?

They absolutely won't. My initial response was saying they're not giving us a 1st.

 

[noncents]

What makes you think that a player who has not been a strong offensive producer in any pro league in his life will suddenly be a strong offensive producer in the NHL? He's already shown he can play a forechecking defensive role. Is moving him up worth blocking Berard/Othmann/Perreault who need time in the top nine since it's more likely their future? They're not going to go into the season next year with like 4 rookies in the lineup at forward and in key roles so I would not agree that they can just have them all in the lineup to start.

I didn't say strong offensive producer. I said could grow into a 3rd line role.

I agree about the rookies. That's why i see one of othmann or perreault in the top 9 and a stabilizing vet brought in.

 

[noncents]

Sure. He’s not that good. He’s big. He’s fast. He is a physical and willing forechecker but when he does, he rarely causes a turnover or errant pass, which seems to me should be the whole intent of forechecking. Now don’t get me wrong, on this team he is a top 5 forechecker, but that’s not saying too much. He also seems to be a willing defensive forward. Again on this team……He is on track for 8 goals for the season, which ain’t bad, and from his AHL stats, I admit he is probably capable of more. Would he be able to make the 4th line on any other contender in the NHL Maybe. But would he improve any of those teams? Granted, the Rangers don’t tend to deploy a typical defensive centric 3rd line like some teams, so I don’t see him being a fit on our 3rd line. I just don’t think we would miss a beat if Edstrom wasn’t on the team, and there are a lot of veteran 4th liners in the league who do a better job, though some of them don’t have Edstrom’s potential upside. I was probably too flippant with my remark, but I certainly don’t see him as a 3 rd liner at this point. In the future? Sure it’s possible.

also - you're talking about a rookie here. It's incredibly hard to break into the NHL. To have done so in such a complete way - not looking out of place at all - and playing physical, relatively mistake-free hockey belies a skill level and competitiveness that can take him far.

 

[duhmetreE]

The problem has been no one wants to do them dirty work. The dirty work creates space for guys like Panarin.

Everyone wants to be and plays like Panarin on this team…. That just doesn’t work. You need guys attacking the puck and going hard on the forecheck. We need at least 2 more guys that can play that game, in the top 9.

Kreider used to tilt the ice but he’s not that anymore. Same with Mika. Laffy 100% needs to model his game after JTM, that’s why I want him playing with him.

 

[noncents]

The problem has been no one wants to do them dirty work. The dirty work creates space for guys like Panarin.

Everyone wants to be and plays like Panarin on this team…. That just doesn’t work. You need guys attacking the puck and going hard on the forecheck. We need at least 2 more guys that can play that game, in the top 9.

Kreider used to tilt the ice but he’s not that anymore. Same with Mika. Laffy 100% needs to model his game after JTM, that’s why I want him playing with him.

like my main man quickie

 

[haohmaru]

Adam Edstrom is a 6th round pick that has played 50+ games this season (probably would've played the whole 82 without the injury) as a 161st overall pick. He's a total win. W-I-N.

 

[UnparalledPark]

also - you're talking about a rookie here. It's incredibly hard to break into the NHL. To have done so in such a complete way - not looking out of place at all - and playing physical, relatively mistake-free hockey belies a skill level and competitiveness that can take him far.

I totally agree with you, and I don’t mean to be argumentative about it, but right now I don’t see anything special from his actual play. He deserves to be here and he has the chance to be a fine NHLer. I confess I haven’t gone out of my way to study his game so I’m gonna exit this conversation. He has the tools. I wish him well.

 

[effen]

The problem has been no one wants to do them dirty work. The dirty work creates space for guys like Panarin.

Last year Laf and Trochek were doing the dirty work and that line thrived. Then Laf got a taste for the exquisite aroma of his own farts and the line has sucked for 2/3 of their games because Trochek can't do the dirty work AND cover for both of them defensively. Bad mix.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Adam Edstrom is a 6th round pick that has played 50+ games this season (probably would've played the whole 82 without the injury) as a 161st overall pick. He's a total win. W-I-N.

Not W-I-N. Maybe w-I-n.

 

[haohmaru]

Not W-I-N. Maybe w-I-n.

13% of 6th round picks play 100 NHL games. 87% don't. Edstrom is a shoe in to be in that 13%.

Not W-I-N, you're right

W-I-N

 

[RangerBoy]

The Caps have those big D. Every single move the Caps made has worked for them. It's ridiculous. Five out of their top 6 D are over 6-2. EF was discussing the Caps on 32T today. Brian MacLellan will look to add. Does anyone remember him as a Ranger? He scored a big OT goal in game one against the Caps in 1986. Craig Patrick wanted to bring in some more size to the Rangers forward group. The Rangers beat Philly and Washington that year. EF thinks the Caps will add one more forward. Could be an offensive guy or a defensive guy. He also believes TB wants to add a forward. Chris Kreider would be perfect for TB. First round pick in 2026. Money is the issue. EF reported the Caps are looking to re-sign Chychrun. That will be a big number.

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers also scouted Edmonton-Chicago on Wednesday. Which Hawks are the Rangers scouting? I like Jason Dickinson but is out with a high ankle sprain.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Rangers also scouted Edmonton-Chicago on Wednesday. Which Hawks are the Rangers scouting? I like Jason Dickinson but is out with a high ankle sprain.

Donato and Martinez.

 

[Mugless]

The Rangers also scouted Edmonton-Chicago on Wednesday. Which Hawks are the Rangers scouting? I like Jason Dickinson but is out with a high ankle sprain.

I guess the Blackhawks sent out one of those leaguewide not so secret Drury memos.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I view getting Fox a partner the same way I would view getting a player like Crosby a winger. I don't know if we necessarily need a long term solution so much as what would probably end up being multiple competent short term solutions. I kind of like the idea of the organization not having only one guy in mind to play with Fox in case it stops working or his partner gets priced out. I also would like to see them stop trying to find Fox his Beukeboom and try a LD that can generate offense.

I think we desperately need a big physical great defender next to Fox. I do not care what XYZ stat somebody puts out. Fox is not a great defender imo. Not bashing him. Not saying he is not a good player. I'm specifically speaking about his defense especially on the boards and in front of the crease. I do not know the league well enough. Are there any guys that are mean good defenders out there to pair him with?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The Caps have those big D. Every single move the Caps made has worked for them. It's ridiculous. Five out of their top 6 D are over 6-2. EF was discussing the Caps on 32T today. Brian MacLellan will look to add. Does anyone remember him as a Ranger? He scored a big OT goal in game one against the Caps in 1986. Craig Patrick wanted to bring in some more size to the Rangers forward group. The Rangers beat Philly and Washington that year. EF thinks the Caps will add one more forward. Could be an offensive guy or a defensive guy. He also believes TB wants to add a forward. Chris Kreider would be perfect for TB. First round pick in 2026. Money is the issue. EF reported the Caps are looking to re-sign Chychrun. That will be a big number.

their drafting the last few years has been utterly insane. never understood why the rangers dont just throw insane money around to steal these scouts from other teams

 

[effen]

their drafting the last few years has been utterly insane. never understood why the rangers dont just throw insane money around to steal these scouts from other teams

Sample size will never be big enough to control for noise.

Money goes into analytics. Databases don't have per diems or demand business class.