Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[McRanger92]

Truth.

Nothing beats pining over former players who were here for 2 months though.




What ways does Ryan Lindgren contribute that people don’t appreciate?

Also I can assure you he has been much much much worse than you think he’s been.

Lindgren fails the eye test and analytics test with flying colors. How many penalties can this guy take for getting beat clean before the team does something about it? He cost us a sweep against the Canes because of an idiotic trip just last year. But yippee, he blocked a shot.

 

[Crease]

Lindgren is huffing and puffing all over the ice, loses puck and body battles, doesn’t skate well, and can’t shoot or pass. His heart is in the right place and he works his ass off, he’s just not effective anymore.

 

[duhmetreE]

Any chance Grouxl gets a look?

We just need a couple of more guys that go hard on the forecheck.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Adam Fox($9,500,000) to the Dallas Stars for Wyatt Johnston($894,167) and Thomas Harley($4,000,000). Math works.

I know it's not happening. It would a very good trade for both teams.

Dom has some nice numbers on Harley in this column today.



Harley-Schneider
KMiller-Borgen

Miller is showing signs of progress. Four big D who can skate.

Johnston joins the Rangers younger forwards. Lafreniere. Cuylle. Othmann. Perreault. Edstrom. Rempe. They can learn from JT and Trocheck. There is a lot of hard edge there. Big and heavy hockey.

Swap out out Panarin, Kreider and Zibanejad.

Wyatt Johnston is one hell of a player but Adam Fox just needs a reliable partner and he's back to being one of the best in the league. He's on a much different level and weakening the back end is not the way forward. Miller / Lindgren are the trade bait. Not Adam Fox.

 

[Fitzy]

I'll talk about a #1 LD until the cows come home but scoring balance will be needed. There are some games since the Miller trade when the 3rd line with Brodzinski has been about as effective as the one we had centered by Nick Bonino.

Really wish we hadn't had to trade Chytil to get Miller. His North South skating and zone entries really opened things up. Provided an element of attack that we just don't have.

If it's going to be Kreider-X-Cuylle or Cuylle-X-Smith that center position is going to be pretty crucial both in terms of stylistic fit and what the player offers. It's more important than anything other than LD right now, because in an emergency we can insert Brett Berard or Brendan Othmann in a pinch for a middle 6 winger. We've got ZERO good options at center without moving Mika back. I'm going to assume NYR don't try to rush Perreault this year.

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Miller-Smith
Cuylle-Mika-Berard/Kaliyev
Vesey-Carrick-Rempe/Kaliyev

At the very least, that would see Mika matched up against much less talented opposition.

So TLDR is- we either need a 3C or should move Mika back and use our young wing depth to plug the hole. It's for that reason that I'd be big game hunting for a top 4 LD with term first, see what we can get, and make a determination on center later.

But if Brod is out there in a playoff game I'll be unhappy.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Wyatt Johnston is one hell of a player but Adam Fox just needs a reliable partner and he's back to being one of the best in the league. He's on a much different level and weakening the back end is not the way forward. Miller / Lindgren are the trade bait. Not Adam Fox.

Why are we trading Miller? He has shown that similar to Fox his underperformance was due to an anchor on his pairing. We whine about Kakko who hasn't shown half of what Miller has shown but are ready to trade Miller for no reason.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Why are we trading Miller? He has shown that similar to Fox his underperformance was due to an anchor on his pairing. We whine about Kakko who hasn't shown half of what Miller has shown but are ready to trade Miller for no reason.

I'm fine with moving him in the right deal, not in a rush. Compared to Fox, I would MUCH rather move miller.

 

[McRanger92]

I'll talk about a #1 LD until the cows come home but scoring balance will be needed. There are some games since the Miller trade when the 3rd line with Brodzinski has been about as effective as the one we had centered by Nick Bonino.

Really wish we hadn't had to trade Chytil to get Miller. His North South skating and zone entries really opened things up. Provided an element of attack that we just don't have.

If it's going to be Kreider-X-Cuylle or Cuylle-X-Smith that center position is going to be pretty crucial both in terms of stylistic fit and what the player offers. It's more important than anything other than LD right now, because in an emergency we can insert Brett Berard or Brendan Othmann in a pinch for a middle 6 winger. We've got ZERO good options at center without moving Mika back. I'm going to assume NYR don't try to rush Perreault this year.

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Miller-Smith
Cuylle-Mika-Berard/Kaliyev
Vesey-Carrick-Rempe/Kaliyev

At the very least, that would see Mika matched up against much less talented opposition.

So TLDR is- we either need a 3C or should move Mika back and use our young wing depth to plug the hole. It's for that reason that I'd be big game hunting for a top 4 LD with term first, see what we can get, and make a determination on center later.

But if Brod is out there in a playoff game I'll be unhappy.

How much better is this team today if you replace brodzinski with Tommy Novak and Lindgren with Carson Soucy? A shitload better in my opinion. Those arent bank breaking moves and also not rentals. I really don't think drury is done. More wins will embolden him to make the necessary moves so I hope it continues.

 

[Fitzy]

Why are we trading Miller? He has shown that similar to Fox his underperformance was due to an anchor on his pairing. We whine about Kakko who hasn't shown half of what Miller has shown but are ready to trade Miller for no reason.

Fit, as much as anything.

NYR need defensemen who can move the puck. That's one of Miller's biggest weaknesses. He's worth a lot in a trade, so it makes sense to think of him as the centerpiece for a big time player acquisition.

 

[Alluckks]

Cuylle really stepping up his scoring mow that he’s free from the anchor Zibanejad

Oh, wait. That’s not true.

Yeah, he really is given all opportunity with Johnny Brodzinski and 3 assist Kreider

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

When Mika gets the puck, look where Kreider is in relation to the Boston players and look where he ends up. Sheesh. Need that every game.

Even though It worked out, I want to punch Zib for that pass.

 

[Fitzy]

How much better is this team today if you replace brodzinski with Tommy Novak and Lindgren with Carson Soucy? A shitload better in my opinion. Those arent bank breaking moves and also not rentals. I really don't think drury is done. More wins will embolden him to make the necessary moves so I hope it continues.

If we go the cheap route I'm fine with that, as long as we look to make actual better roster improvements in the offseason.

Because It's hard to think of the roster as cup-competing with only 1 established top 4 defenseman. Maybe we can count Borgen as 2, but I still see him as a #5 on a cup competitor.

 

[McRanger92]

Fit, as much as anything.

NYR need defensemen who can move the puck. That's one of Miller's biggest weaknesses. He's worth a lot in a trade, so it makes sense to think of him as the centerpiece for a big time player acquisition.

Id argue Miller is great at moving the puck. He just moves it with his legs instead of passes. The assist he got on the Trocheck goal last night was a dime though.

His weakness has been defensive awareness mostly imo. Rangers have largely mitigated that with the Borgen/Trouba bait and switch.

 

[McRanger92]

If we go the cheap route I'm fine with that, as long as we look to make actual better roster improvements in the offseason.

Because It's hard to think of the roster as cup-competing with only 1 established top 4 defenseman. Maybe we can count Borgen as 2, but I still see him as a #5 on a cup competitor.

K'Andre is a top 4 defenseman, as is Fox. Borgen has played like one as a Ranger. I dont think they need to use major assets or cap space to solve the Lindgren problem. Fox will make a league average defenseman into a top 4 guy. Look what he did for Lindgren until the injuries caught up to 55 in the last couple years. we don't need to reinvent the wheel to fortify the team.

Even though It worked out, I want to punch Zib for that pass.

The defender deflected it.

 

[Machinehead]

It didn't take long before Cuylle not scoring became the fault of [enter multiple linemates here].

Truthfully, this is probably what he is.

He has 27 points and it shouldn't be too tall of an order to end the season somewhere in the mid to high 30's, which the lion's share of that at 5v5.

What did you think he was gonna be?

 

[Fitzy]

It didn't take long before Cuylle not scoring became the fault of [enter multiple linemates here].

Truthfully, this is probably what he is.

He has 27 points and it shouldn't be too tall of an order to end the season somewhere in the mid to high 30's, which the lion's share of that at 5v5.

What did you think he was gonna be?

Dubinsky/Callahan. 25-25-50 potential.

Still think he has that, it just takes a long time for bigger guys like that.

 

[McRanger92]

It didn't take long before Cuylle not scoring became the fault of [enter multiple linemates here].

Truthfully this is probably what he is.

He has 27 points and it shouldn't be too tall of an order to end the season somewhere in the mid to high 30's, which the lion's share of that at 5v5.

What did you think he was gonna be?

It's absurd that he's not in the top 6 or on PP2. Him and Carrick have been fantastic on the PK throughout the season though..

I see Cuylle's upside as firmly in the Sam Bennett/Tom Wilson mold. Bennett has a career high of 49 points, Wilson 52. we all talk about "finding the next", Cuylle is that.

 

[Machinehead]

Dubinsky/Callahan. 25-25-50 potential.

Still think he has that, it just takes a long time for bigger guys like that.

Take them off the first PP unit and Dubinsky/Callahan are both 30-35 point players.

 

[Machinehead]

It's absurd that he's not in the top 6 or on PP2. Him and Carrick have been fantastic on the PK throughout the season though..

I see Cuylle's upside as firmly in the Sam Bennett/Tom Wilson mold. Bennett has a career high of 49 points, Wilson 52. we all talk about "finding the next", Cuylle is that.

"Top 6" is meaningless. Chris Kreider plays on the third line (the same line, actually!) and played 18 minutes last night. The difference between line order and toilet paper is that toilet paper at least cleans my butt.

Cuylle gets a pretty consistent 14:30 ish a game. The difference between where he is now and putting up 50 points on 18 mins a game is first unit powerplay and there's not a coach on the face of the Earth that would put him on this roster's first unit.

 

[Fitzy]

Take them off the first PP unit and Dubinsky/Callahan are both 30-35 point players.

Without controlling for the increase in leaguewide scoring.

I think if you have a good 3rd line winger, 40 points at even strength is a solid target for a guy playing 15 a game. Roughly what we got from guys like Hagelin/Pouliot.

Getting 100ES points total from the 3rd line is a realistic goal for a contender built on depth, especially if that line is centered by someone of Mika's quality.

 

[McRanger92]

"Top 6" is meaningless. Chris Kreider plays on the third line (the same line, actually!) and played 18 minutes last night. The difference between line order and toilet paper is that toilet paper at least cleans my butt.

Cuylle gets a pretty consistent 14:30 ish a game. The difference between where he is now and putting up 50 points on 18 mins a game is first unit powerplay and there's not a coach on the face of the Earth that would put him on this roster's first unit.

I do agree that numbering lines is meaningless but if Cuylle was playing with Trocheck and laf instead of the 5v5 husk of kreider and Jonny B Goode, his production would be higher.

 

[duhmetreE]

The defender deflected it.

yeah if he didn't, Zibs misses Kreider by 2-3 feet

 

[Machinehead]

I do agree that numbering lines is meaningless but if Cuylle was playing with Trocheck and laf instead of the 5v5 husk of kreider and Jonny B Goode, his production would be higher.

He's been with Brodzinski for two games.

Before that, he was with Zibanejad who's been our hottest forward and produced the same. And what'd people say at the time? Zibanejad was the problem!

It has nothing to do with linemates. This is one case where I think the Rangers have done a pretty good job giving a young player opportunities and responding to his play accordingly, and having the player come along reasonably well.

This is just where he's at right now.

And playing him with Laf...I'd be concerned about Gretzky's production if he had to play with Laf the way he's going. But that's another guy who gets no accountability from this fanbase and it's always somebody else's fault.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'd just like to see a minor tweak to the lines if they're keeping Mika at RW with JTM

Cuylle Trocheck Laffy
Kreider Brodz Smith

 

[McRanger92]

When Drury's trade memo leaked out the media and players responded like he had personally slapped their collective mothers in the face.