Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Clark Kellogg]

Housley's fault. Lindgren's fault. Laviolette's fault. Drury's fault. Anyone else? Let's add Peca and Muse. Dolan's fault.

Fox never gets any flak.

I’ve been guilty of this. I was giving him a pass in the beginning of the season thinking it might be related to the two knee injuries he sustained last season.
Latlely I noticed that it seems he’s having a delayed reaction to the play in front of him. In recent games there were plays in the O-Zone where his attention seemed elsewhere and when the puck was sent to his area of the ice he delayed in responding and an opposing player was by him with the puck.
Something is definitely off and it doesn’t appear to be physical. Not good for a player whose hockey IQ is the strongest part of his game.

 

[QJL]

Brannstrom wasnt acquired by accident. Lindgren's days are numbered imo. They still do need to eventually upgrade that top 4 position next to Fox.

He may be one of the few D in the league this year who has been worse than Lindgren.

 

[surlysailor]

With who?

What is nyr trading for that player?

IMO I think lindgren & his reputation is worth more than a 2nd. Esp if you package him with smith, like sjs did for granland & cici. I think if you do that you should be able to get a return that can help now & in the future. Say both those player to col for dehaan(contract depth d to replace lindgren) & a prospect like Ritchie or gulyayav or to the wild for dermott/merril & one of heidt/kivahrju/stramel. So basically a 3rd pair d and then you slide up up player like Schneider to replace lindgren

 

[RangerBoy]

The new salary cap projections will most likely make moving contracts easier. The $95.5M is set in stone unless the idiot in the White House is responsible for taking the loonie with his stupid tariffs.



The $104M and $113.5M salary cap projections are probably low. The NHL and NHLPA statement sid mention those numbers could be adjusted up or down. EF reported people believe those numbers will be higher.

The average NHL salary will be higher. Assigning a player to the AHL will be cheaper. The NHL average salary plus $375,000 will be higher.

Looking for possible trade candidates. Kevin Fiala. Four seasons remaining. He hasn't really found a spot in LA. $7,875,000 cap hit. He has a NMC. He is not a tall player at 5-10 but he is a stocky player at 205 pounds. I have always liked him since his Nashville days. He hasn't been a big time playoff performer. Good skater. Competes. Fiala has played left wing most of his NHL career. Can he play the right side? Gabe Perreault is a smaller winger. Can the Rangers have both of them on the left side?

Mika Zibanejad's five more seasons at $8.5M for Fiala. The Kings move Quinton Byfield to the wing. LA is nice. Would Mika waive? It's not Vancouver, BC.

Chris Kreider's two more seasons at $6.5M for Fiala. Kreider has a 15 team NTC. I assuming LA is not on his NTC.

Both bros need to go. They don't fit anymore. Kreider can't hit the net anymore.

Artemi Panarin at $11,642,857. It would be hard to make that deal this season unless the Rangers take on Trevor Moore's $4.2M for three more seasons to match up the money. Pass. The Rangers trade Panarin to LA to extend the asset like Colorado did with Mikko Rantanen. It would be nice if the Rangers could get Brandt Clarke in the deal. Summer trade. LA needs to win a playoff series. I don't see them beating Edmonton or even Vegas, Winnipeg and Dallas in the west. Artemi likes big cities. LA? The Kings give him a 2 or 3 year contract extension at the same cap hit on July 1 in return for waiving his NMC. He would go.

 

[IronBloodedLion]

Beating on Lindgren is beating a dead horse. Hes awful.

Zibanejad looked really good last night, and especially good at RW. I wonder if getting out of the 1C spot takes pressure off him and allows him to just play his game for where he’s at right now.

Also, this obviously means 3C is an open spot. They’re a few games out of a WC, but still not completely out of it. Really curious to see what Drury does. This is kinda where not drafting and developing Centers is coming to bite us in the ass.

 

[RangerBoy]

EF confirmed Arthur Staple's report that Vancouver wanted Drew Fortesque in the original deal. EF said he heard Vancouver wanted an unsigned Rangers prospect D in the original JT Miller deal The Rangers did not want to move Fortesque. Victor Mancini replaced Fortesque in the second Miller deal. It wasn't Adam Sykora or Jaroslav Chelmar.

 

[RangerBoy]

Beating on Lindgren is beating a dead horse. Hes awful.

Zibanejad looked really good last night, and especially good at RW. I wonder if getting out of the 1C spot takes pressure off him and allows him to just play his game for where he’s at right now.

Also, this obviously means 3C is an open spot. They’re a few games out of a WC, but still not completely out of it. Really curious to see what Drury does. This is kinda where not drafting and developing Centers is coming to bite us in the ass.

The Rangers could package both Smith and Lindgren in a deal for futures and not really skip a beat. Miller replaces Smith on PK. Schneider moves next to Fox. Berard replaces Smith. Or maybe put Kaliyev back in the lineup. Othmann? He is healthy and scoring goals.

 

[RangerBoy]

EF mentioned the Dallas-Sharks deal and Vancouver-Pittsburgh deals. Two rentals were included in those deals. Rental price. First round pick. Give us two rentals. The Rangers can package Smith and Lindgren and retain 50% on both players. Pittsburgh is retaining 25% on Smith already. There was no retention in the Dallas or Vancouver deals. The Stars finally placed Seguin on LTIR after they were accruing money. First round pick in 2025 or 2026 plus other picks.

 

[rangers1314]

What a world where Jimmy Vesey gets more ice time than Chris Kreider

 

[UnSandvich]

If Brannstrom ends up starting for this team, that’s a major major problem. He’s on his 4th team in two years…third this season. There’s a reason the Sens let him go. He was the “prize” in the Stone trade. Let’s just say the “prize” wasn’t a pleasant one.

(and yet he's still better and more deserving of a Top 6 spot than Lindgren)

 

[bleedblue94]

IMO I think lindgren & his reputation is worth more than a 2nd. Esp if you package him with smith, like sjs did for granland & cici. I think if you do that you should be able to get a return that can help now & in the future. Say both those player to col for dehaan(contract depth d to replace lindgren) & a prospect like Ritchie or gulyayav or to the wild for dermott/merril & one of heidt/kivahrju/stramel. So basically a 3rd pair d and then you slide up up player like Schneider to replace lindgren

It's crazy to me how everyone here bashes lindgren and does everything possible to show how bad he is but then also claim he has semi significant trade value.

Pick a lane...

 

[McRanger92]

It's only 2 games but if Mika can maintain his production as the top line RW, his contract is a non-issue. especially when you consider that when his game is going he's and excellent PKer and on the PP. I think Drury should be on the lookout for a 3C whose contract fits that role better. Mika going forward in the Stamkos RW/fill-in C role changes the calculus. he's not a guy you NEED to trade if that's the case. Unlike Kreider and Lindgren.

I look at Nashville and Minnesota for a 3rd line C. Novak, Scissons, maybe ROR from the Preds? Id also ask about Ryan Hartman from the Wild. They have cap issues long term, maybe looking to give their young guys more ice time. there are other interesting options out there, but a 3C is easier to find than a top 6 wing.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Good choice sending Mancini over Fortescue

 

[noncents]

It's crazy to me how everyone here bashes lindgren and does everything possible to show how bad he is but then also claim he has semi significant trade value.

Pick a lane...

i mean everyon bashed trouba and he had some value. everyone bashed kakko and he had value. familiarity breeds contempt and lindgren has played a big role on teams that have had success. GMs are always looking for stiffness and reliability on D.

Frankly there's absolutely a possibility that on a well coached team, deployed in a minimal role, Lindgren could still find some effectiveness. But on this team, where D coaching just leaves them to fend for themselves, and where he's always only going to be stapled to Fox regardless of health or effectiveness, it just isn't a fit. He needs to be replaced. There were plenty of UFA options last july, and trades before/since then.

Good choice sending Mancini over Fortesque

there's no Q in this dudes name. unless his middle name is Quinlay or something

 

[bernmeister]

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People wanting to trade Fox instead of just giving him a new partner are delusional.

I've been called delusional by this board before, and have been proven right at the end of the day.
btw, the fallacy in your argument is it postures that Fox just disappears. It does not acknowledge the counterplay, which is the presumably positive get we obtain from sending Fox somewhere.
Martians are not kidnapping Fox, so we DO NOT lose him for nothing.
Whether on backline or elsewhere, we will get a haul for adam, but we need to move him NOW while there is no trade protection clause.

Not acquiring Chychrun was mind boggling

sadly, this is a feel good yielding to temptation by getting a name guy w'o examining consequences
yeah, Chych >> Lindgren, whoop de doo.
He is not a great PO performer if memory serves
And then there is cost to acquire
Even if we only sign for $$ that is opportunity cost cap vs cap

we can do better, for cheaper in the short term

Lindgren as the #6 defenseman is whatever. The problem is that Lindgren is stapled to Fox.

sorry, no
Lindy has now degraded to abysmal
he is a depth guy worth a 7th, maybe a 6th, not much more

best for us, we add a 3rd and we can upgrade to a 2nd, something like that, maybe

Chychrun, if he test the market

no, unless he signs for super cheap and short term which he is not doing
ps note above

IMO I think lindgren & his reputation is worth more than a 2nd. Esp if you package him with smith, like sjs did for granland & cici. I think if you do that you should be able to get a return that can help now & in the future. Say both those player to col for dehaan(contract depth d to replace lindgren) & a prospect like Ritchie or gulyayav or to the wild for dermott/merril & one of heidt/kivahrju/stramel. So basically a 3rd pair d and then you slide up up player like Schneider to replace lindgren

sorry HUGE no, see above

Beating on Lindgren is beating a dead horse. Hes awful.

Zibanejad looked really good last night, and especially good at RW. I wonder if getting out of the 1C spot takes pressure off him and allows him to just play his game for where he’s at right now.

Also, this obviously means 3C is an open spot. They’re a few games out of a WC, but still not completely out of it. Really curious to see what Drury does. This is kinda where not drafting and developing Centers is coming to bite us in the ass.

tell it like it is, let your conscience...
So yeah, def improvement
he did not show willingness to contact like his teammate jtm, esp on def was contact averse
also yeah, he does deserve credit for not muffing the easy open net tip in on his goal, but I have mo respect and give mo props to Kreider for doing the dirty work of denying a checker who would have moved Mika out of the crease

but hey, anything to make his sorry selfish ass more attractive to a trade partner!

EF confirmed Arthur Staple's report that Vancouver wanted Drew Fortesque in the original deal. EF said he heard Vancouver wanted an unsigned Rangers prospect D in the original JT Miller deal The Rangers did not want to move Fortesque. Victor Mancini replaced Fortesque in the second Miller deal. It wasn't Adam Sykora or Jaroslav Chelmar.

glad we held on to Drew, Chelmar
should have kept Mancini, surrendered sykora and BMB, and given 2 2nds, in lieu of the 1st

What a world where Jimmy Vesey gets more ice time than Chris Kreider

One where CK is playing thru pain on a limited basis
jv should be gone, replace w/Berard, Othmann

It's only 2 games but if Mika can maintain his production as the top line RW, his contract is a non-issue. especially when you consider that when his game is going he's and excellent PKer and on the PP. I think Drury should be on the lookout for a 3C whose contract fits that role better. Mika going forward in the Stamkos RW/fill-in C role changes the calculus. he's not a guy you NEED to trade if that's the case. Unlike Kreider and Lindgren.

I look at Nashville and Minnesota for a 3rd line C. Novak, Scissons, maybe ROR from the Preds? Id also ask about Ryan Hartman from the Wild. They have cap issues long term, maybe looking to give their young guys more ice time. there are other interesting options out there, but a 3C is easier to find than a top 6 wing.

NO
Mika was and is a cancer and needs to go YESTERDAY

As to underline, can we stop spending for vets, esp non impact mediocre ones, and develop/play guys we have?

 

[McRanger]

It's crazy to me how everyone here bashes lindgren and does everything possible to show how bad he is but then also claim he has semi significant trade value.

Pick a lane...

I dont know about "significant" trade value but I think when you look honestly at how stupid most NHL executives are its not really an unreasonable position to think Lindgren has some value.

There is definitely a room somewhere filled with ex-player scouts and GMs watching Lindgren game tape all nodding to each other discussing how they "need those intentions" on their team.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Lindgren f***ing stinks, I don’t care who replaces him at this point just get him out of here

Getting rid of him is addition by subtraction

The fact that we’re in the year of our lord 2025 and he still has fans is wild

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It's only 2 games but if Mika can maintain his production as the top line RW, his contract is a non-issue. especially when you consider that when his game is going he's and excellent PKer and on the PP. I think Drury should be on the lookout for a 3C whose contract fits that role better. Mika going forward in the Stamkos RW/fill-in C role changes the calculus. he's not a guy you NEED to trade if that's the case. Unlike Kreider and Lindgren.

I look at Nashville and Minnesota for a 3rd line C. Novak, Scissons, maybe ROR from the Preds? Id also ask about Ryan Hartman from the Wild. They have cap issues long term, maybe looking to give their young guys more ice time. there are other interesting options out there, but a 3C is easier to find than a top 6 wing.

Sell high on Mika !